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TheDarkHeart
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Planning an FC. 1st one failed.
#24924025 - 01/18/18 06:53 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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alright thanks for clicking
This is my plan. please point out anything i'v forgotten, or anything I'm doing that you know will make growing harder. my first FC failed because i left the dang lid off for 2 hrs then on another day left it off for an hr. then an hour another day. big mistake. it started off really promisingly then it just totally crapped out.
I need to get a bigger FC. right now my FC can only hold about a half pint of spawn and 1.5 pints of coir. what ratio do you prefer to use?
I'm not going to leave the lid off for more than 10 minutes. seems like if it drys out it ain't coming back. that's right ain't it? anybody ever save colonized substrate that dried out?
I'm going to use bucket tek method. -squeeze until only a drop of water comes out of the coir.
I'm going to allow the substrate to fully colonize before i move to polyifil. -not going to remove the lid for shit unless it's to observe, photograph, and give 2 sprays max twice a day max? that right?
I'm going to use a liner and a 6.5K light. that's pretty much it. room temp is like 86 degrees Fahrenheit. that too hot?
here is the failure

Can my polyfil touch my substrate? right now the holes are low and i'm thinking i could still use the FC and just cut the liner a little high so the substrate doesn't touch the polyfil.
Edited by TheDarkHeart (01/18/18 07:01 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Planning an FC. 1st one failed. [Re: TheDarkHeart]
#24924223 - 01/18/18 08:27 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't over complicate it. Your "failure" looks ok. Not great but ok. It doesn't look dry to me either. It looks like it wants air.
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mushpunx
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Re: Planning an FC. 1st one failed. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24924949 - 01/19/18 06:33 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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86°F is hot for spawn. Colonized substrates will do fine i n that temp so long as you don't let it get dry.
I'm confused. Are you going to be using a mono tub, like in this photo, or a mini mono or what?

Your sub won't dry out as fast as you are thinking. You can open the lid as much as you like, and you only need to mist if it needs misting.
I'll use a mono tub as an example With a mono tub the holes provide FAE and the polyfil is used to restrict it. The only reason we restrict FAE is to reduce our own maintenance, it slows the rate at which the water on the surface evaporates so we don't have to mist as much, if at all.
With a monotub we stuff the bottom holes very tightly with poly and the top holes very loose. I like to see a healthy layer of tiny water droplets across the surface. I like to set mine so that the droplets start to dry up immediately in front of the bottom poly. That lets me know I'm giving the max FAE I can before the surface would start to dry out without maitinence. If the surface gets too wet, and I get puddles, I loosen the poly to increase the FAE. A well dialed in mono tub needs little to no misting at all.
Its a balancing act. The same principles apply regardless of the type of FC you are making.
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Re: Planning an FC. 1st one failed. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24926288 - 01/19/18 05:55 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisatta said: Don't over complicate it. Your "failure" looks ok. Not great but ok. It doesn't look dry to me either. It looks like it wants air.
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TheDarkHeart
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Re: Planning an FC. 1st one failed. [Re: mushroomnate]
#24927812 - 01/20/18 11:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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wow,
Ok. thanks for the input. i'm really listening. i actually threw the whole thing out. I came back here to create another thread on the spawn prep process. I want to make sure i'm not screwing anything up.
soaked and boiled the the following,
whole oats / boiled until bursting Black wild rice / didn't boil /soaked caused bursting kamut / boiled until bursting
allow drying for a few hrs until dry to the touch
going to pressure cook all for 30 minutes at 16 PSI. when cool i'm going to transfer some Agar to them in my SAB.
not sure how many jars i'm going to be able to push out with the spawn i am making. perhaps i'll move to the big chamber if all goes well. this time FC procedures will be followed to the T.
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TheDarkHeart
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Re: Planning an FC. 1st one failed. [Re: mushpunx]
#24927819 - 01/20/18 11:13 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushpunx said: 86°F is hot for spawn. Colonized substrates will do fine i n that temp so long as you don't let it get dry.
I'm confused. Are you going to be using a mono tub, like in this photo, or a mini mono or what?

Your sub won't dry out as fast as you are thinking. You can open the lid as much as you like, and you only need to mist if it needs misting.
I'll use a mono tub as an example With a mono tub the holes provide FAE and the polyfil is used to restrict it. The only reason we restrict FAE is to reduce our own maintenance, it slows the rate at which the water on the surface evaporates so we don't have to mist as much, if at all.
With a monotub we stuff the bottom holes very tightly with poly and the top holes very loose. I like to see a healthy layer of tiny water droplets across the surface. I like to set mine so that the droplets start to dry up immediately in front of the bottom poly. That lets me know I'm giving the max FAE I can before the surface would start to dry out without maitinence. If the surface gets too wet, and I get puddles, I loosen the poly to increase the FAE. A well dialed in mono tub needs little to no misting at all.
Its a balancing act. The same principles apply regardless of the type of FC you are making.
Thanks for going into the details of your technique. I'm going to use this. "A healthy layer of water droplets." That confirms something for me. Thanks
Mono tub. i left the lid completely off for 2 hrs then 1 on another day then 1 on another day. the humidity where i live is like 10% and the room was around 90F. the thing stalled bad and i ended up getting bacterial i think. possibly a white mold as well. easy come easy go.
Edited by TheDarkHeart (01/20/18 11:36 AM)
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