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m.smith
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Plausible Deniability 1
#24923521 - 01/18/18 03:34 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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My hobby has taken over my house. I've got jars, petri dishes, tubs and supplies all over the place.
Are there any good tasting non-magic mushrooms that grow exactly the same way we grow cubes that I could grow as a cover story to tell my inquisitive visitors?
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: m.smith]
#24923554 - 01/18/18 03:46 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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King oyster, reishi, shiitake. the list goes on and on. take your pick
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: Ziran]
#24923561 - 01/18/18 03:50 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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tell those visitor to gtfo
seriously though? why invite people over to a drug lab?? or clean up your shit and keep it too a single room.. or move for more space.. because...
this..
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I've got jars, petri dishes, tubs and supplies all over the place.
can look like a drug lab to most people. although cops dont even notice sometimes
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: mushboy] 1
#24923614 - 01/18/18 04:11 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said: tell those visitor to gtfo
seriously though? why invite people over to a drug lab?? or clean up your shit and keep it too a single room.. or move for more space.. because...
this..
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I've got jars, petri dishes, tubs and supplies all over the place.
can look like a drug lab to most people. although cops dont even notice sometimes
I dont have a drug lab. Its a biological engenering system
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: Ziran]
#24923630 - 01/18/18 04:16 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ziran said:
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mushboy said: tell those visitor to gtfo
seriously though? why invite people over to a drug lab?? or clean up your shit and keep it too a single room.. or move for more space.. because...
this..
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I've got jars, petri dishes, tubs and supplies all over the place.
can look like a drug lab to most people. although cops dont even notice sometimes
I dont have a drug lab. Its a biological engenering system
That's exactly what I have. My partner wants to strangle me, but it's fun.
I'm fruiting reishi right now and everything seems like it's looking good. No fruits yet though(2 days). I've read oysters/shitake are really easy.
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: mushboy]
#24926213 - 01/19/18 05:22 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushboy said: tell those visitor to gtfo
seriously though? why invite people over to a drug lab?? or clean up your shit and keep it too a single room.. or move for more space.. because...
this..
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I've got jars, petri dishes, tubs and supplies all over the place.
can look like a drug lab to most people. although cops dont even notice sometimes
Hes talkin about the boys in blue. Not his mother in law visiting. This got me curious. Do cops test grows thwy find or do they have specialists i.d. it? Or both?
Im agreeing with u mushboy. Im tripping right now so it prolly came out weird lol but if they need a positive test to convict u, could u isolate an impotent cube?
Edited by nube424 (01/19/18 05:24 PM)
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: nube424]
#24926216 - 01/19/18 05:25 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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they most likely send samples into a lab to be tested for psilocybin
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: Ziran]
#24926218 - 01/19/18 05:26 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its intent that gets most people. Because tests cost too much. If you grew buttons but thought you were growing cubes and we're legitimately trying to grow them to sell them you could get in trouble even if you were so stupid you grew the wrong species.
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: bodhisatta]
#24926231 - 01/19/18 05:31 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Its intent that gets most people. Because tests cost too much. If you grew buttons but thought you were growing cubes and we're legitimately trying to grow them to sell them you could get in trouble even if you were so stupid you grew the wrong species.
Yea like selling any fake drug is illegal. But for peiple that grow on smaller scale, maybe they would just believe theyre edibles?
I dont grow in these small amounts, im asking more just cuz it brought up an idea and now im wondering the same thing as op.
Like, what if u grew portabello but large quantities? Would u get arrested? Selling homegrown myshrooms to fancy restaurants is a big thing now fyi
But DEFINATLY if they see intent (scales bag dried shrooms) ur going down
Edited by nube424 (01/19/18 05:32 PM)
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: nube424]
#24926580 - 01/19/18 07:39 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why would you get arrested for growing bellas?
If you are dead set on growing an edible as a cover and not just for the sake of growing food, then look into Agrocybe Agaerita or black poplars.
Same conditions and look damn near identical.
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natedawgnow said: Why would you get arrested for growing bellas?
If you are dead set on growing an edible as a cover and not just for the sake of growing food, then look into Agrocybe Agaerita or black poplars.
Same conditions and look damn near identical.
You wouldn't unless you thought they were magic. Selling something fake but thinking its legal is intention. Thus no need for testing. If you sell a cop a bag of Italian seasoning but call it weed it may as well be weed.
That's why look alike covers are useless. If they're in your house its because they already know (controlled buy or a snitch)
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: bodhisatta]
#24926746 - 01/19/18 08:37 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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natedawgnow said: Why would you get arrested for growing bellas?
If you are dead set on growing an edible as a cover and not just for the sake of growing food, then look into Agrocybe Agaerita or black poplars.
Same conditions and look damn near identical.
You wouldn't unless you thought they were magic. Selling something fake but thinking its legal is intention. Thus no need for testing. If you sell a cop a bag of Italian seasoning but call it weed it may as well be weed.
That's why look alike covers are useless. If they're in your house its because they already know (controlled buy or a snitch)
Yep
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: Ziran]
#24926941 - 01/19/18 10:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nah brah. If he isnt selling and all they find is edibles and spawn you arent getting charged. Least not where i am which is usually regarded as a strict state. Ive had cops looking right at my edible op and spawn and not say shit about it.
What you're implying is that op is selling which im pretty sure is frowned upon here.
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natedawgnow said: Nah brah. If he isnt selling and all they find is edibles and spawn you arent getting charged. Least not where i am which is usually regarded as a strict state. Ive had cops looking right at my edible op and spawn and not say shit about it.
What you're implying is that op is selling which im pretty sure is frowned upon here.
All that matters is if they get the suspicion to raid you in the first place. If they think you got cubes, then they will find them if they are there. Either way, your pretty much fucked because if they are on to you, then you already fucked up. You shouldnt have people seeing all that in your house, no matter if they are personal or not.
Spawn has actives in it, which is why its illegal to sell cube LC. Im just guessing that they would weigh all your cube spawn, jars and all, and count it all towards the weight of shrooms that they say you have.
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nube424

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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: m.smith]
#24927262 - 01/20/18 04:10 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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m.smith said: My hobby has taken over my house. I've got jars, petri dishes, tubs and supplies all over the place.
Are there any good tasting non-magic mushrooms that grow exactly the same way we grow cubes that I could grow as a cover story to tell my inquisitive visitors?
If theyre stupid visitors, u could just tell them theyre shiitake. Otherwise, i would just start putting things away and hiding things a lil better.
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CataSTRAWfic_Grows said: but back to op, can oysters grow on coir in a mono? What else can grow on coir in a mono, if so?
oysters like hard woods
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: m.smith]
#24927273 - 01/20/18 04:26 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Idk what plausible deniability is and the system doesn't either, if u get caught with the goods or your finger prints or dna is on the bag your going down. Theres no arguing it.
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: LemurLemur]
#24927280 - 01/20/18 04:33 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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LemurLemur said: Idk what plausible deniability is and the system doesn't either, if u get caught with the goods or your finger prints or dna is on the bag your going down. Theres no arguing it.
Hes talking about people seeing the grow setup. Not handing someone a bag of shrooms. Plausable deniability is convincing someone ur growing edibles instead of psychedelics
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: nube424]
#24927285 - 01/20/18 04:38 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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just grow edibles. problemo solved-o. lol
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: Ziran]
#24927287 - 01/20/18 04:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ziran said: just grow edibles. problemo solved-o. lol
Lol yea i think op wants to grow both. Edibles for deniability and psychs, well for fun
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m.smith
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: nube424]
#24927320 - 01/20/18 05:31 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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OP here, Mr. Smith has absolutely NO intention of selling.
This is maybe my 5th post on the boards. I'm approximately 50 years old, never tried shrooms in my life. Saw a youtube video that made me think it might be cool to try. Found this place, followed BOD's SAF system, and now my house (kitchen and sunroom) look like a laboratory.
I jump from hobby to hobby on a pretty regular basis and enjoy growing plants as well. I don't have many visitors but I'd still prefer to have a cover story for the friends who do visit. They're so used to me doing odd things that I think most of them would believe I was just growing regular mushrooms, especially if I offered them a salad with fresh grown shrooms or a steak covered in gravy and shrooms.
I was just wondering which non-psycoactive mushroom that taste good could be grown in exactly the same way as my B+ and Golden Teacher.
Then again I could be like Walter White and have a nasty disease, only years to live and need a way to put my kids through college....
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: m.smith]
#24927331 - 01/20/18 05:46 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Plausible deniability is having a believable story as to why you are innocent when you have been involved with someone doing something damnable.
It would be like giving someone loads of manure from your horses when they told you it was for growing A. Bisporus. Really they were growing Cubensis, but if you had never been to their grow house you could plausibly deny that you knew what they were doing. Therefore, it would be harder to convict you for conspiracy.
You can't plausibly deny that P. Cubensis is growing in your house if you live there and it's growing everywhere! Maaaybe you could deny it if you had a roommate that hid it all away in her closet.
More to the point, you shouldn't leave your grow supplies lying out for everyone to see.
Edited by Sidestreet (01/20/18 05:48 AM)
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: Sidestreet]
#24927461 - 01/20/18 07:56 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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All that matters is if they get the suspicion to raid you in the first place. If they think you got cubes, then they will find them if they are there. Either way, your pretty much fucked because if they are on to you, then you already fucked up. You shouldnt have people seeing all that in your house, no matter if they are personal or not.
Spawn has actives in it, which is why its illegal to sell cube LC. Im just guessing that they would weigh all your cube spawn, jars and all, and count it all towards the weight of shrooms that they say you have.
------------------ All spawn would go towards total weight. And when such weight becomes so much, then you would end up with intent and trafficking.
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Re: Plausible Deniability [Re: Tinytin]
#24927508 - 01/20/18 08:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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...just dont talk about it. This thread is....
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Ziran said: King oyster, reishi, shiitake. the list goes on and on. take your pick
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natedawgnow said: Agrocybe Aegerita or black poplars.
Same conditions and look damn near identical.
Also : King stropharia with a pasteurized compost casing, and shimeji (H. tessalatus) might work.
If you just use mono’s as fruiting chambers and make sawsut blocks you can do lions mane as well but not expect a high yeild.
Replace the coir with sawdust for all the woodlovers.
Many of these species require far more FAE than cubensis and might turn out looking wierd without it.
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