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Re: cakes [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #24922920 - 01/18/18 11:31 AM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Just pay close attention to it, if u notice the surface is drying fast mist them. The fans not blowing like super hard is it? They should be fine. Especially in fla.

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Re: cakes [Re: nube424]
    #24923170 - 01/18/18 01:21 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

The fan is on the outside of the gh pointed towards the bottom and I have one of the zippers open a bit to allow that air in.

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Re: cakes [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #24923271 - 01/18/18 02:00 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe just turn yhe fan on a coupke times a day with no humidifier. See how that works and see how the cakes react. Ull be able to tell immediatly if theyre getting too dry

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Re: cakes [Re: nube424]
    #24923354 - 01/18/18 02:32 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Maybe just turn yhe fan on a coupke times a day with no humidifier. See how that works and see how the cakes react. Ull be able to tell immediatly if theyre getting too dry



Thing is I bought the greenhouse and everything that goes with it to basically have a babysitter there for my tubs/trays and cakes while I'm working my regular job, about 6am to 5pm daily.

If I was home all the time to be able to mist and keep an eye on surface conditions I wouldn't need the gh at all and I would probably open air fruit.

But I am thinking of only running the cool mist a few times a day now and just letting the passive fae cause evaporation in the Times in between... or I could shell out another 30/40$ and just get a digital humidity controller so that it shuts itself on and off based on rh.

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Re: cakes [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #24923395 - 01/18/18 02:49 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Honestly for cakes I would be using a SGFC instead. Should have plenty of time to mist with your work schedule.

Cakes are pretty fickle, they dry out or waterlog pretty quick.
Trays will be much easier to maintain in the GH

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Re: cakes [Re: mushpunx]
    #24923435 - 01/18/18 02:59 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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Honestly for cakes I would be using a SGFC instead. Should have plenty of time to mist with your work schedule.

Cakes are pretty fickle, they dry out or waterlog pretty quick.
Trays will be much easier to maintain in the GH



Last time I made a sgfc (to spec) that thing would dry up in no time at all and it destroyed my old cakes and took up a bunch of space.. I ended up covering like most all holes with micropore tape and put in 6in of perlite and was still shit so I'm not tryna go that route again. And I only have 2 pf cakes... I'm not really worried about them at all I was mostly tryna see if anyone had growth like mine.

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Re: cakes [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #24923522 - 01/18/18 03:35 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

My SGFC has over 800 holes, now think about how large surface area a short 1/2 pint cake has and you´ll realize that this is not the best setup for complete noobs. Spawned BRF cakes are much less worry and the grow practically takes care of itself, not many ways to fuck it up. But with small cakes inside a SGFC you see all kinds of problems all the time from dry cakes to waterlogged cakes :shrug:

I will experiment soon with new fruiting chambers for cakes that are kind of set and forget style. And no electronics. We´ll see how that goes I´ll report back of course. Personally I have never had good success with cakes inside SGFC so that´s why I want to try a new FC for cakes.


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Re: cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #24923540 - 01/18/18 03:42 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I've never been a fan of sgfc either I could have 500 holes less then you and it would still dry out lol. Tons of surface area and completely exposed on all sides and the bottom... whoever made it was probably just pissed tf off and drilled a billion holes in his shitty tub, threw cakes in there and said fuck em... then he came to realize oh shit it worked for me! So he told every one about it here and now it's supposed to be number 1 lol.

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Re: cakes [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #24923563 - 01/18/18 03:51 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

I believe it was RogerRabbit that invented SGFC, and he made it work for him with minimal maintenance :shrug: I know many growers have had great success with cakes inside SGFC but I know MANY MANY more that have had not so great success. I can´t say the same about a monotub for example since I know many many more that have had success than those that havent had success.


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Re: cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #24923992 - 01/18/18 06:40 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I hear you there, sgfc must be for people who live in optimal room conditions or somthing lol.. monos are def the way to go and once my agar is cleaned up im going to oats then into big and mini monos.

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Re: cakes [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #24923996 - 01/18/18 06:42 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Any tub will do, unmodified, mono, whatever works if you know how to create the right conditions. even a SGFC works perfectly if you maintain proper conditions all the way. But some fruiting chambers are easier to maintain than others for a beginner that´s still learning to create good fruiting conditions.


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Re: cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #24924082 - 01/18/18 07:19 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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I believe it was RogerRabbit that invented SGFC, and he made it work for him with minimal maintenance :shrug: I know many growers have had great success with cakes inside SGFC but I know MANY MANY more that have had not so great success. I can´t say the same about a monotub for example since I know many many more that have had success than those that havent had success.



I read through the thread and tried very hard to bite my proverbial tongue. But I call bullshit; you know many many more people that have failed while using an sgfc? If that is true then you know a lot of people that do not know how to follow directions. I get a little triggered by this disinformation.

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Re: cakes [Re: Mateja]
    #24926358 - 01/19/18 06:22 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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My SGFC has over 800 holes, now think about how large surface area a short 1/2 pint cake has and you´ll realize that this is not the best setup for complete noobs. Spawned BRF cakes are much less worry and the grow practically takes care of itself, not many ways to fuck it up. But with small cakes inside a SGFC you see all kinds of problems all the time from dry cakes to waterlogged cakes :shrug:

I will experiment soon with new fruiting chambers for cakes that are kind of set and forget style. And no electronics. We´ll see how that goes I´ll report back of course. Personally I have never had good success with cakes inside SGFC so that´s why I want to try a new FC for cakes.



I totally agree with spawning brf cakes.I ALWAYS get a decent flush.Cakes don't like me. :shrug:


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Re: cakes [Re: mushroomnate]
    #24926375 - 01/19/18 06:27 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

Yea even a small shoebox is better than cakes. I never had good luck with them tho. Switched to grains and never looked back

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Re: cakes [Re: The Influence]
    #24926561 - 01/19/18 07:31 PM (6 years, 11 months ago)

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I believe it was RogerRabbit that invented SGFC, and he made it work for him with minimal maintenance :shrug: I know many growers have had great success with cakes inside SGFC but I know MANY MANY more that have had not so great success. I can´t say the same about a monotub for example since I know many many more that have had success than those that havent had success.



I read through the thread and tried very hard to bite my proverbial tongue. But I call bullshit; you know many many more people that have failed while using an sgfc? If that is true then you know a lot of people that do not know how to follow directions. I get a little triggered by this disinformation.



It´s good that you expressed your concern and very respectfully so. Tho I would not call this misinformation as my intent is to help new growers improve their success rate from the start, I don´t want them to fail as much that´s why I´m offering solutions. I´m in no way bashing the cakes or the SGFC, mine is fully operational btw. I´m just suggesting that there are other types of grows that first time growers can explore that will raise their success rate, and at the same time offer them a glimpse into the future :cool: (learning to spawn to bulk)

First of all, "following direction" essentially means "maintaining proper micro climate". So in that regard of course most noobs will not follow directions. But that´s not because they are all arrogant and dont want to do it right. It´s because they are not 100% sure of what the signs are of a drying cake and what the signs are of a waterlogged cake, and this is where the mistakes happen.

There no denying that wide mouth 1/2 pint cakes have a really unfortunate design when it comes to surface area compared to how much water they store :shrug:

A SGFC is in some ways like an open air grow. You have 99% humidity at perlite level and around the cakes and the RH in the rest of the space fluctuates a lot all over the scale at the rate of the fluctuating RH in the grow area. It fluctuates from day to day and from hour to hour, sometimes more stabile climate sometimes less. Outside humidity is an important factor when it comes to the humidity inside a SGFC, the air inside the SGFC is practically the air outside of it.

A substrate inside a monotub or an unmodified tub has majority of it´s surface protected from too fast evaporation. Especially if you  case with a protective top layer at fruiting then you´re grow is practically impossible to fuck up unless you´re over misting.. Wide mouth 1/2 pint cakes have a vast majority of it´s surface unprotected and has a tiny amount of water compared to a bulk substrate.

It goes without saying that a bulk grow inside tubs is much harder to fuck up environmentally than cakes inside a SGFC. Actually environmental issues inside tubs is not that much of an issue anyway. But with cakes it can be a lot more detrimental when an unbalance occurs. Do you agree with me on this?

You don´t have to agree, I´m no expert by any means I´m talking from my experience and from a lot of experimentation and observation. I like to discuss this further because a discussion like this opens up for opportunities for good knowledge to come forth :cheers:


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