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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24896646 - 01/07/18 04:50 PM (4 months, 16 days ago)

What religion says that cannabis use is a sin?


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: stevo]
    #24896674 - 01/07/18 05:05 PM (4 months, 16 days ago)

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What religion says that cannabis use is a sin?



The ones that like to reinterpret their holy book to mean whatever they want it to, which is most of them.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Xerbia]
    #24896769 - 01/07/18 06:03 PM (4 months, 16 days ago)

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Some of you guys are even more clueless than the ignorant idiots you complain about.

Do you really believe Sessions did this because religion and his beliefs on marijuana?

Maybe, just maybe it has something to do with the fact he has a little something to do with big pharma, and the private prison industry. It's all about money..

Educate yourselfs before making false assumptions.




They'd be making more money with free trade of the plant and have no true sales tax statistics because of fear and/or disrespect for the law.  There's been no real legalization to base on.  They would likely be making a lot off of the plants taxes or could figure this out.  Just like a gram of seedless pot costs what a a flower pot and some good soil costs.  But that's what they thought about beer.  And that's easy to make.  Making everything a "product" to force everyone to unwillingly pay the max and some more is their game.  Its a bad way to think really.  Just let us smoke and give us the bill to pay for people to not go to jail for fuck sakes. 

Perhaps Republicans like keeping people in fear is part of it.

I agree Ron Paul deserves a seat in the white house.




Yes, but there's alot more money for the private prison industry when they're holding easy arrests, and not to mention big pharma losing out on sales due to people no longer needing opiates because they're getting relief from cannabis.



Exactly, To a capitalist a poor man is useless, but put that poor man in a prison cell and he becomes 50k a year to the capitalist. Nonviolent drug offenders are pure cash to them.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Doc9151]
    #24898223 - 01/08/18 11:55 AM (4 months, 15 days ago)

Xerbia, when you say they will make more money legally to taxing pot who is "they"? Certainly not big pharma and the DEA, the DEA o will get way more tax dollars with marijuana being illegal and big pharmaceutical company will lose money selling pills so they throw mad money at politicians to keep prohibition going. The government is not one entity that will make more tax money on legal pot, it's a bunch of different agencies, some will make more money some will make less, then you got big corporations like pharma and for profit prisons who might as well be the governmehent with all the money they give to alter political decisions.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: fractalgod]
    #24898289 - 01/08/18 12:52 PM (4 months, 15 days ago)

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Xerbia, when you say they will make more money legally to taxing pot who is "they"? Certainly not big pharma and the DEA, the DEA o will get way more tax dollars with marijuana being illegal and big pharmaceutical company will lose money selling pills so they throw mad money at politicians to keep prohibition going. The government is not one entity that will make more tax money on legal pot, it's a bunch of different agencies, some will make more money some will make less, then you got big corporations like pharma and for profit prisons who might as well be the governmehent with all the money they give to alter political decisions.




"They" in reference to those who will potentially make more money off cannabis prohibition.


You're basically quoting what I've been saying, but saying that's not what I've been saying lol. I never said those agencies would make more money with legal cannabis, in fact I've been saying the exact opposite.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Xerbia]
    #24899036 - 01/08/18 07:17 PM (4 months, 14 days ago)

"Generally, we allow people to eat what they want, and that is very risky. But we do overly concentrate on what people put into their bodies."
Paul called the war on drugs a "totally illegal system."

Yeah, it amazes me that people use to believe that it was their constitutional right to put what ever they want into their bodies.  There is just to much corruption with that kind of money involved in the "justice" system.  Especially with for profit prisons and jails and confiscating property and money.

On a different note listening to Rand talk yesterday on an American political show I mean holy shit.  The injuries his neighbor gave to him which was over nothing political but just a neighborly dispute was very extreme.  Broken ribs, I think a punctured lung or something such as that.  That guy beat the shit out of him.  Rand talked about the first four days in his hospital bed and how miserable it was.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Barnaby]
    #24899088 - 01/08/18 07:39 PM (4 months, 14 days ago)

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"Generally, we allow people to eat what they want, and that is very risky. But we do overly concentrate on what people put into their bodies."
Paul called the war on drugs a "totally illegal system."

Yeah, it amazes me that people use to believe that it was their constitutional right to put what ever they want into their bodies.  There is just to much corruption with that kind of money involved in the "justice" system.  Especially with for profit prisons and jails and confiscating property and money.

On a different note listening to Rand talk yesterday on an American political show I mean holy shit.  The injuries his neighbor gave to him which was over nothing political but just a neighborly dispute was very extreme.  Broken ribs, I think a punctured lung or something such as that.  That guy beat the shit out of him.  Rand talked about the first four days in his hospital bed and how miserable it was.



His neighbor may have to move to the trailer park when Rands lawyers are finished with him.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Doc9151]
    #24903752 - 01/10/18 08:40 PM (4 months, 12 days ago)

There is more money in taxing pot than in the prison industry. What little they make off of labor is offset by the 30k or more it costs to keep, feed, guard, etc each prisoner. The taxes are pure profit, the only cost is accountants to audit and make sure they are getting all the tax they can.

It comes down to tax revenue, that is why its getting legalized and why the drug warriors will lose. Sessions won't be fired over that but he will not win.

I predict the media will ignore rand's comments. They, much like enlil, just repeat the govt position on everything. I remember when the media often exposed govt corruption and wrong doing. Yeah, I'm that old


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24906366 - 01/11/18 09:56 PM (4 months, 11 days ago)

Dog-gone stonehenge, you really are showing your age! It's been many decades since the journalists were journalists in this country. Now, like you said, they are just parrots for their controllers.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Tiberjuggaligger]
    #24906479 - 01/11/18 10:39 PM (4 months, 11 days ago)

Yeah, I'm so old I remember when a dollar was worth something. Walter cronkite was probably the last honest one though that was way back.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24906949 - 01/12/18 04:09 AM (4 months, 11 days ago)

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  Red states are bible states.  They are grateful for pharmi's like Oxycontin. 





Seriously?


But whenever I hear an argument against pot, it's usually health-based (correct or otherwise) or "think of the kids", not religious.  I don't remember the last time that I heard someone say they were against it because of god.  I have heard more people argue that it should be legal because god created it.  The most common arguments I've heard refer to studies that correlate it with lower academic achievement by adolescents and lower IQ among those who smoked as teenagers.  You can give the typical refutations that correlation =/= causation, or that the lower IQ only concerns teenagers who wouldn't see increased access with legalization, but these are the main reasons why other people are against it, combined with a perception that it is not compatible with middle-class values in my opinion.

In one of the blue states that voted for legalization in 2016 (I think Maine?), the referendum just barely received over 50% of the vote.  This shows that it is not only about corporate conspiracies either - there is still a very large portion of our population that is against it because they perceive it as unhealthy.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #24908201 - 01/12/18 05:03 PM (4 months, 11 days ago)

Many are against it because of the propaganda in the media for decades. As for health, mj reduces the risk of cancer and alzheimers among other things. It is good for you but don't get super loaded and drive or go to school. Sessions is an ass and one of the main things trump has done wrong


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #24909509 - 01/13/18 02:36 AM (4 months, 10 days ago)

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  Red states are bible states.  They are grateful for pharmi's like Oxycontin. 





Seriously?


But whenever I hear an argument against pot, it's usually health-based (correct or otherwise) or "think of the kids", not religious.  I don't remember the last time that I heard someone say they were against it because of god.  I have heard more people argue that it should be legal because god created it.  The most common arguments I've heard refer to studies that correlate it with lower academic achievement by adolescents and lower IQ among those who smoked as teenagers.  You can give the typical refutations that correlation =/= causation, or that the lower IQ only concerns teenagers who wouldn't see increased access with legalization, but these are the main reasons why other people are against it, combined with a perception that it is not compatible with middle-class values in my opinion.

In one of the blue states that voted for legalization in 2016 (I think Maine?), the referendum just barely received over 50% of the vote.  This shows that it is not only about corporate conspiracies either - there is still a very large portion of our population that is against it because they perceive it as unhealthy.



I think  Morel guy is saying that religion has influenced the red states and helped generate and spread antidrug  propaganda.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Doc9151]
    #24910851 - 01/13/18 02:49 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

Lots of religious folk are in favor of med mj or don't care one way or the other. Its the big mouths who get the attention

Withholding gop nominees got their attention bigtime, you can believe that. Something just by coincidence will happen that takes care of it and sessions will be wearing a muzzle. "I just happened to change my mind"


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Stonehenge]
    #24911087 - 01/13/18 04:38 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

Im about to start walking around busy roads with a big sign that says "Marijuana is safe, Alcohol is deadly, the government is evil, throw change at me."


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Doc9151]
    #24911112 - 01/13/18 04:49 PM (4 months, 10 days ago)

Lower academic performance is to be expected when one realizes the genocidal nature of the society they live in. When I realized cannabis is good for us and legal drugs are killing off our population it became impossible to focus on school.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Mindfullinohio]
    #24911424 - 01/13/18 07:29 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

I'm pretty sure the direct effects of smoking pot at school is what causes the defocusing on school.  Throwing people in prison because its more profitable to pay for unnecessary things is very inhumane, however.    Especially when the laws are based on such played out lies.  Ron Paul is the man.  Remember drugs don't help or hurt people, that power lies with the drug [ab]user.  I could care less about smoking pot, but do care when people consider me govt property, with no free will.  Perhaps a failed argument that has failed before in our corrupt court system is this policy is unconstitutional, but the felons slamming the hammer disagree.  Sadly, I think we have no hope for this ever and pot will forever be illegal, or at least until they can find some other way to steal a lot of money from the peasants.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: stevo]
    #24912991 - 01/14/18 11:04 AM (4 months, 9 days ago)

No way it will be forever illegal. The world war 2 generation is diying off, we only have to concern ourselves with their children, those people in sessions age group, once they are gone the way will be clear.


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: Tiberjuggaligger]
    #24913240 - 01/14/18 01:01 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

I was thinking about this the other day, but was thinking those that grew up in the 80s were the ones that need to die off.  Some of us took the Just Say No too seriously.  Is there anywhere besides Antarctica that its completely legal?


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Re: Ron Paul: Jeff Sessions should be fired over marijuana decision [Re: stevo]
    #24913296 - 01/14/18 01:21 PM (4 months, 9 days ago)

Now you want to kill off gen x too? lol


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