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Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes
    #24903172 - 01/10/18 01:35 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Who here puts a casing layer on top of their bulk substrate?  Just wondering what more people do because im deciding if I should or not.  Thanks
Do you case your bulk sub?
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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24903176 - 01/10/18 01:37 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Cubes don't benefit from a casing layer, so unless your climate is extremely arid, or you messed up the moisture content of the bulk substrate upon preparation there's no need for a casing layer.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: hamloaf]
    #24903192 - 01/10/18 01:44 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I usually pseudo case but I will be casing at 100% to see if can skip misting.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: hamloaf]
    #24903200 - 01/10/18 01:46 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Cubes don't benefit from a casing layer, so unless your climate is extremely arid, or you messed up the moisture content of the bulk substrate upon preparation there's no need for a casing layer.




Damn, really?  Why do people do it?  Would it atleast act as a little bit of a contam barrier, since its the only part open to air and is non-nutritious?


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: JHOVA]
    #24903203 - 01/10/18 01:47 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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I usually pseudo case...




What do you mean?


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24903237 - 01/10/18 02:04 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

1/2 inch top layer of coir at spawning


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24903311 - 01/10/18 02:50 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Cubes don't benefit from a casing layer, so unless your climate is extremely arid, or you messed up the moisture content of the bulk substrate upon preparation there's no need for a casing layer.




Damn, really?  Why do people do it?  Would it atleast act as a little bit of a contam barrier, since its the only part open to air and is non-nutritious?



Maybe not cubes but Newbz benefit from a top layer of coir at 100% colonization. I have yet to see a dissapointing pinset with a top layer of coir. But if you feel that you can create perfect conditions without a casing layer then you probably wouldn´t be asking about the casing layer :shrug: so my advice to you is to try to grow with our without and see if you notice any difference :stoned:


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24903334 - 01/10/18 03:00 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Cubes don't benefit from a casing layer, so unless your climate is extremely arid, or you messed up the moisture content of the bulk substrate upon preparation there's no need for a casing layer.




Damn, really?  Why do people do it?  Would it atleast act as a little bit of a contam barrier, since its the only part open to air and is non-nutritious?



Because it benefits the grower not thr species


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: Mateja]
    #24903347 - 01/10/18 03:08 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Cubes don't benefit from a casing layer, so unless your climate is extremely arid, or you messed up the moisture content of the bulk substrate upon preparation there's no need for a casing layer.




Damn, really?  Why do people do it?  Would it atleast act as a little bit of a contam barrier, since its the only part open to air and is non-nutritious?



Maybe not cubes but Newbz benefit from a top layer of coir at 100% colonization. I have yet to see a dissapointing pinset with a top layer of coir. But if you feel that you can create perfect conditions without a casing layer then you probably wouldn´t be asking about the casing layer :shrug: so my advice to you is to try to grow with our without and see if you notice any difference :stoned:




Ive done it both ways before, but I havent done this in 3-4 years.  I have a lot of spawn about to be ready and I wanna do it right. I bought a huge block of peat moss and some other things without thinking, when I bought my bulk sub, because I thought people usually case their bulk sub.  Im always with my grow though, so I can mist as much as needed.  If its not going to help, I wont do it, though I cased a couple shoeboxes already.  I used water crystals in one as well to see if it works good.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24903348 - 01/10/18 03:09 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

but none of my tubs are fully colonized, let alone pinning/fruiting, yet.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24903365 - 01/10/18 03:16 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

As I said if you feel 100% comfortable in that you can produce perfect surface conditions and you have the time to watch over your grow then go for it. But if you are like me and have had not so great performance without the casing layer then adding one is VERY beneficial. I feel that I have learned a lot about surface conditions by watching the pins develop inside the casing layer. I might do the next tub without a casing layer just to see what I manage to create.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: Mateja]
    #24903393 - 01/10/18 03:36 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I do not use casing layers..... However I'm thinking my shoeboxes could probably benefit from one.  I've had some bruising and drying which a light casing would probably help.... Bigger substrates like monotubs are a little more self-sustainable and "grower forgivable" as far as proper surface conditions go I think.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24903452 - 01/10/18 04:05 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Cubes don't benefit from a casing layer, so unless your climate is extremely arid, or you messed up the moisture content of the bulk substrate upon preparation there's no need for a casing layer.




Damn, really?  Why do people do it?  Would it atleast act as a little bit of a contam barrier, since its the only part open to air and is non-nutritious?



Because it benefits the grower not thr species



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Furthermore, adding a casing will not act as a contam barrier.  It's the other way around actually.  Anytime steps into the cultivation process are added vectors for contamination are opened up.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: hamloaf]
    #24903454 - 01/10/18 04:06 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: cronicr]
    #24903467 - 01/10/18 04:16 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: Bird_Guts]
    #24903507 - 01/10/18 04:29 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I agree with the pros...... I once lost a real promising tub from a casing gone bad.  So no casing for me, I guess if I was running some APE I would probably try a casing. 

        Does APE need to be cased?  I haven't grown any yet...:shrug:


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: Threads from God89]
    #24903512 - 01/10/18 04:31 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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    #24903519 - 01/10/18 04:35 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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    #24903551 - 01/10/18 04:52 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

Good info in here guys, thank you every1


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24903596 - 01/10/18 05:16 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

:edit: I guess this isn't a proper casing but this is what I like to do lately:

I've been putting on micropore tape or polyfill in right when I spawn my tubs, and I'll also put a 1/4-1/2" coir/verm on top at the same time.


I don't like adding a casing at full colonization, not with cubes.

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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: mushpunx]
    #24903602 - 01/10/18 05:19 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

That's not a casing.  That's one of the two meanings of a pseudo-casing.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: hamloaf]
    #24903740 - 01/10/18 06:32 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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That's not a casing.  That's one of the two meanings of a pseudo-casing.




Is it pseudo casing because its coir and not a proper casing mix?
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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: mushpunx]
    #24903745 - 01/10/18 06:34 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I think it´s because a proper casing layer need pasteurization and a top layer of coir doesnt require that so that´s why it´s not really a casing layer. At least this is how I understand it so far.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: mushpunx]
    #24903758 - 01/10/18 06:45 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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That's not a casing.  That's one of the two meanings of a pseudo-casing.




Is it pseudo casing because its coir and not a proper casing mix?
Or because I put it on when I spawn



A combo of the two...a casing layer will give the micro climate right on the subs surface, a top layer is more less just part of the sub


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: cronicr]
    #24903766 - 01/10/18 06:53 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I gotcha. Originally I was putting down a peat/verm mix on right after spawning my tubs but I switched to coir because its less work.
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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: hamloaf]
    #24903954 - 01/10/18 08:29 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I cased, and I regret it. Why? Was a waste of time. Annnd I noticed for whatever reason my cambodian tray looked fugly as hell. Still pinned and was able to harvest. I had purple mystics that did okay.

I will never use casing on cubes, never again.

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Furthermore, adding a casing will not act as a contam barrier.  It's the other way around actually.  Anytime steps into the cultivation process are added vectors for contamination are opened up.




This makes sense, and is now another reason as to why I will avoid casing.

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    #24904048 - 01/10/18 09:05 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

There is actually no reason at all to "avoid" a top layer of coir. It acts like a protection making sure the substrate doesnt dry out too quickly. It is much more set and forget than without  top layer. Really no need to shy away from or see it at something bad or negative to avoid :stoned:


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: Mateja]
    #24904123 - 01/10/18 09:32 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

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There is actually no reason at all to "avoid" a top layer of coir. It acts like a protection making sure the substrate doesnt dry out too quickly. It is much more set and forget than without  top layer. Really no need to shy away from or see it at something bad or negative to avoid :stoned:



Set n forget is more chamber related as far as i am concerned


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    #24904169 - 01/10/18 09:45 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

If you have shoe boxes dub tubbed inside a grow area with a harsh dry climate like I do cause I have to heat the entire place up, then a top layer will spare you a lot of mistings and you could even go out of town for 3 days and  not having to worry about your surface conditions. This is what I call set and forget. Misting every third day very lightly and nothing else besides that. A casing layer will also allow you to mist heavier without damaging the mycelium.

But I get what you are referring to is a dialed in tub, and that´s what makes it set and forget. When you have a perfectly dialed in tub you can skip the top layer and fruit without having to mist even once. But most growers don´t have their tubs dialed in to the perfection. Not yet at least :stoned:


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: Mateja]
    #24904610 - 01/11/18 12:01 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I agree with others that casing generally will have no real benefit to the mushrooms, but makes the growers life potentially easier. What I don't get is people blaming contams on casings. Was it pasteurized improperly or something? Casings don't generally contaminate when done right. Dirty spawn 99% of the time causes contamination before first-2nd flush.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: psilocyanide]
    #24904627 - 01/11/18 12:23 AM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I've played with both, i suedo case with a very thin layer of coir and other with jiffy, what i noticed is a coir sheet makes it knot like crazy and does normal stuff you'd expect and a late jiffy casing makes less fruits but bigger. They're weren't done with a true iso just a clone.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24904817 - 01/11/18 05:35 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

No casings for me, I go in raw.  Had my best success with no casing layer.

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    #24905191 - 01/11/18 10:14 AM (7 years, 6 days ago)

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What I don't get is people blaming contams on casings. Was it pasteurized improperly or something? Casings don't generally contaminate when done right. Dirty spawn 99% of the time causes contamination before first-2nd flush.




How I understood it was that it does not promote contams necessarily, but let's say you used a casing, and your grow became contaminated. Was your spawn/sub prep not done properly, or was it your casing? At this point in the game, since we know that casings for cubes are unnecessary we can leave it out. For me this kind of like a process of elimination.

Luckily I have no contamination in my grow. I ordered my spawn/sub/casing from a trusted source, and everything has worked great. Besides my cambodians, like I said, look fugly as hell. Still fruiting fine, but fugly compared to my purple mytics. I'm curious how my grow would have looked without the casing. Im still beginning this cultivation journey, and next time will do without casing.

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Set n forget is more chamber related as far as i am concerned




I agree with this. If you are having to use casing on your cubes to make your grow easier, then what is your fc like? I have seen set-ups on here that where peoples fc struggle to hold appropriate rh levels. With low rh, you may find yourself needing to mist more since the moisture levels across the surface of your sub are dying out quicker than expected in order to compensate for the dry climate inside the chamber. At this point, you could use casing, but without appropriate rh your fruits will still struggle to breath.

In the end do what is most comfortable for you and your setup. No one is saying to not use casing, just you dont need casing. If you're confident in your preparations, satisfied with your grow, and you use casing then keep at it.

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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: BuriedFugu]
    #24905460 - 01/11/18 01:05 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

I know we can leave it out. My point is that casings don't contaminate. Leave a jar of casing after it's been pasteurized out for a good month. It should not contaminate. At least when I do the experiment with both coir and peat based casings it won't contam. And I open the jar and cough into it every so often as well. If you are getting contams, your weak ass myc shit the bed til the point it can't fight off invaders anymore. To me that means that the network is weakened (generally because of bacteria at first)and that is generally from bacterial spawn, since bacteria has a hella hard time to grow in substrates, it's rarely a concern in bulk colonization and growth. Granted there's other ways for contaminants to grab hold of the colony in bulk like excess moisture in the sub or what not, but once you're at the point you have full coverage, you case and it contaminated, the reason is because the colonly was weak af, and I'd argue it wouldn't have lasted even if it wasn't cased.


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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: Mad Season]
    #24905486 - 01/11/18 01:26 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

"Leave a jar of casing after it's been pasteurized out for a good month" <- That was my point. There is always room for error when preparing anything (such as pasteurizing casing). To say in general that casings dont contaminate, without including the detail about pasteurization could get confusing for someone who has no expeirence. Casing can contaminate if not pasteurized efficiently. I mean, you said it in your original comment. I wasn't disagreeing with you. Only trying to be more specific.

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Re: Poll: Do you case your bulk cubes [Re: BuriedFugu]
    #24905598 - 01/11/18 02:15 PM (7 years, 6 days ago)

Learn to pasteurize properly and you won't be questioning things. That's the point of doing lots of pasteurizations. Get the practice so you know you did it right.. If you get contams, again it wasn't because of the casing. It was because of the colony being shit. If you failed the pasteurization, that means you should be practicing more anyways. The answer wouldn't be to stop trying it. Casings are just as good as without. If you aren't able to make it work with casings, try some more. That's what I did. My first casing attempt was shit but I wanted to master it anyways. I love switching it up and there's always new things you can be trying to master.


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