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#24897364 - 01/07/18 08:10 PM (6 years, 21 days ago) |
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Hey,
This will be a long post, so unless the business side of mushroom production is of your interest this might be a bit boring.
I'm posting this to help myself by writing down the working plan that has been stuck in my head. I would like to get your feedback, suggestions, critics, anything you believe it's worth to be written.
I live in Southern Europe, close to city center, around 3 million people live in the area. Based on simple observations in my daily life, it seems there's a lack of fresh gourmet mushrooms offer, I observe people are willing to try need things and discover need foods but these products simply don't show in front of their eyes. The offer is minimal, mainly concentrated in large or specialized shops, they sell expensive, past shelf life and their presentation is unappealing. Still mushrooms are seen as healthy and desirable food here. More and more gourmet restaurant offer mushrooms in their menu and there's even one well rated restaurant specialized only in mushroom dishes. I didn't a deep market research but I can see there's room for a new player. Instead of overthinking, getting paralyzed by fear of failure and let the enthusiasm vanish, I will run the operation one year with a 7000€ budget (1€ = 1.2$) and see where this will get me. By the end of the year, if there's no profit or the margin is minimal, the business has to shut down. During the whole operation I won't ever ask for a loan, I hate dealing with banks, deeply. I bought my car and house in cash. I prefer to plan in advance and save the money I will need.
Because I love plants, animals, fungi, feel amused with precise and meticulous type of work, don't like bosses and want to earn money, it would only make sense to go into business by myself doing what's enjoyable for me. In others words, to open a mushroom farm 
In fact the business can be split into three components:
- Production of medicinal and gourmet mushrooms - Production of spawn and production blocks - Production of orchid flasks to sell to orchid enthusiasts (uses the same equipment and similar methods as cultivating mushroom mycelium in agar). This part of the business will run much slower since it will take 1-3 years until I can make the first sale. Won't bore you describing this part of the operation.
I will be doing the whole operation indoors, this way seasonality is out of equation and planning production with some precision is possible. Plus, production is more stable/predictable. I have been looking for warehouses to sign a one year rental contract, maximum 15 minutes distance from the city center and where I live (life quality ), minimum area acceptable is 600 sq ft (55m2). Lucky me, there's plenty of offer for exactly the type of space I need, prices ranging 200€-350€ per month (1€ = 1.20$). These facilities have water and energy infrastructures, bathroom as well of course.
Once chosen, the warehouse will be converted in three separated areas. An area for preparing/mixing the substrate and fill the bags, a laboratory and a fruiting room. The walls will be made of wood framing covered with double layer poly film sheeting, white inside for reflecting light, black outside to keep lights out. By double layer poly I mean, two separated sheets nailed to opposite sides of the frame. Double layer poly outdoor greenhouses use a blower to keep positive pressure inside the gap between the two sheets. By double sheeting, the thermal isolation is much higher since the air trapped inside retard temperature fluctuations.
Somewhere in the corridors between the chambers I will need to fit a rack or two for equipment and one or two fridges. Probably the sterilizer will be placed here too, close to the lab door. I'm afraid the steam and heat can be prejudicial in a small lab, not only for the spawn bags but for the equipment as well, plus it takes a lot of space.
What I want from this business is to make 2000€ monthly after expenses on a 30h-40h workweek by the second year of operation. I need to sell 350lb of mushrooms per week.
This is how I plan to achieve this:
By the 3rd month:
- The lab will be operational with all the essential equipment. By this stage a 48x24 HEPA filter will be probably enough. There will be room left for further expansion, as a single HEPA isn't enough for the scale I'm planning. - For sterilization will use a 18 liters/quarts pressure cooker and a gas burner. In the US you are lucky to have the Presto 23, not only it is cheaper than in Europe but it also comes with a pressure gauge. 18 quarts is small but running two cycles a day, 3 hours each + 1 hour cool down (assuming 1 hour in front of the flow hood will cool it down enough to open the lid and remove the bags), I'm expecting to process a minimum 50 lbs of sawdust fruiting blocks weekly plus a few grain spawn bags. - The fruiting room will be operational but probably not optimized for the best humidity, ventilation and light levels as it takes time and some trial and error. By now the shelving will be done with what I already have around, won't worry trying to optimize the space since production will be minimal. This way I can save the money for later. - Assuming the fruiting block is healthy it must be able to yield a minimum of 50% mushrooms/dry substrate after 3 flushes, this is, 50% biological efficiency. - The substrate will be mixed and the bags filled by hand, no mechanical help yet. - Harvest a total of 20 lbs per week of oyster (King Oyster included) and shiitake. - Start attending farmers markets. Spread the word among my family and friends network. Accept small orders. - Learn the best way to harvest and prepare the mushrooms for sale.
(To get into the next stage, I need to assure there's enough demand and all production can be sold. I'm not increasing production to have mushrooms spoiling in the fridge.)
By 6th month:
- A defined working method for producing spawn and fill/sterilize/inoculate bags. - By this time I might need a second pressure cooker. - Refine sterilization processes inside the lab. Spend some time diminishing vectors of contamination. - Find good sawdust and grains supplier, who can supply me anytime with a substrate that I have tested, know it's stable and works. This is important to add some predictability into production. So far I have found some suppliers and quotes with little research, can have oak and beech pellets delivered. - First trials at packaging nicely to grab final customers attention. - Start approaching restaurants with a basket full of fat tasty mushrooms. If they are hesitant I will leave a pound or two as sample, if they are assholes I give nothing. The restaurants must be the closest possible to the "farm", so I can fill smaller orders. The priority is to be seen, to create a network and spread the word, so every small or big restaurant in my radius will know me and have my business card. They might use it to smoke a joint though. - Online presence on Facebook and other platforms that might worth the time spent promoting. Accept online orders. - Print business cards. - Harvest 40 lbs per week of oyster and shiitake.
By 9th month:
- Starting to schedule production according to demand requirements. - At this stage little pressure cookers won't be enough. Since big sterilizers are very expensive I will build a 3x 55 Gallon drum sterilizer, one drum for boiler, two drums for steam sterilization where the bags are placed. I like how this guys worked this out: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=2&Number=24865881&fpart=&PHPSESSID= - Expanding my market range, going in the city center to where all the gourmet restaurants are. First trials selling to small grocery shops, I suspect small asian shops will be willing to take my product first. - Development of a new product: "mushrooms growing kit" for those who wish to grow their own mushrooms at home. Need to design the cardboard package and find a company that accepts small orders, maybe start with a 300-500 order. To start with, the growing kit will probably go with oysters in sawdust. I suspect the sales will happen mainly in farmers markets and online. I imagine advertising it on facebook would be appealing for some. - Get a second 48x24 HEPA filter for better working efficiency and get lower contamination rates. - Redesigning the fruiting chamber. By this time, I will probably have figured out what works best and what doesn't work at all inside the chamber, CO2 parameters, humidity and light. Since I expect demand to increase I will probably have to rethink space usage and workflow. Optimizing shelving close to maximum production capacity of the space, even if I can't fill all of that with fruiting blocks by this time. - First trials on producing and finding market for Lion's Mane. - By now I will have achieved 70%-100% biological efficiency, otherwise the toll on the expenses side (grid energy, bags, substrate and my own time) will be cutting my gains. - Harvest 60 lbs per week of oyster and shiitake. If I sell it all, I break even at this stage.
By 12th month:
- Register my business, so I can send invoices and reach more restaurants and grocery shops, as some of these won't buy anything without an invoice. - Small HEPA filter intake for positive pressure inside the lab. - Still working toward 125%-150% biological efficiency goal with minimal contamination rates. - Get a substrate mixer. A Hobart meat mixer with some customizations would work (google it, it's worth). There's a guy on youtube that modified the mixer so it can be operated with a footswitch. This piece of equipment won't break the bank and will save many hours of intensive labour, mixing and filling bags. - Harvest 80 lbs per week of oyster and shiitake. - First trials on Reishi and maitake. The goal here is have diversification on the products I offer, as the target market is not the same as gourmet mushrooms. Learn this different market segment and try to find buyers. - Brand development. Once I know my customers and have my public well targeted, I will know what the market needs. - Create a website and online shop.
By 13th-36th month:
- Get something similar to a FDA food certification, so I can reach a broader market, including the big groups. - Establish contact with small to medium mushroom producers to sell spawn and fruiting blocks. - Keep working towards production goal: 350 lbs per week. I'm not sure yet if I can reach this production working alone. If demand is higher and I can't fulfill it alone, I will have to get some help but won't be hiring. I suspect distribution of fresh mushrooms around town will consume a lot of time, it would be helpful to have other person taking care of that. Someone good at managing costumer relationships. - Evaluate the whole operation and profit margins. If there's enough profit and demand then I might think if it's worth resizing and move to a larger place. If the margins are small, I will have to increase efficiency and develop new products for niche markets. If the situation is really hopeless, then shut down and take some holidays, maybe a trip somewhere. . Then write a book about small scale mushroom business.  
Major initial expenses:
- Pressure cooker - 100€ (1€-1.2$) - HEPA 48x24 + blower + Wood box - 420€ (300€+100€+20€) - Wood framing for 20m2 (215 sq ft) laboratory and 20m2 (215 sq ft) fruiting chamber, - 150€ - Black & White 0,5mm Poly DOUBLE layer Sheeting - 400€ - Second hand fridge - 50€ - Petri dishes, agar, others lab supplies - 100€ - 1000 bags - 250€ (can't believe I'm paying this for plastic bags, any suggestions?) - 20lb of grain spawn bags from a local supplier - 50€ - Blowers, fans and ducting - 150€ - Humidifier - 100€
Total: 1780€ (2130$)
Monthly running expenses:
- Renting - 300€ - Energy (500kW + Gas) - 100€ - 1000lbs of sawdust - 30€ (in the beginning this quantity will be much smaller) - 200lbs of grains - 30€ - Fuel for deliveries (500km/300 miles)- 40€
Total: 500€ (600$)
Break even:
Where I live small mushroom farms sell oyster and shiitake for 7€-8€/kg (5$/lb) to the public. Big grocery shops sell for 9-11€. To formulate my raw business plan, I assume I will sell in average for 4€/kg (2$/lb). At farmers markets and orders from the general public I might charge 7€-8€ but for restaurants and small grocery shops I have to sell cheaper. Plus, if more people start selling mushrooms the price will drop further, I can't say there's a trend right now but mushrooms are more "popular" than never. It's better to be conservative here, so 4€/kg is the number I will be using.
If I can sell 125kg (250lbs) of mushrooms per month I will break even. From there, everything else is profit.
Bottlenecks:
- Transportation and storage of large quantities of sawdust into the warehouse. This will take a lot of time and labour as everything as to be done by hand. Instead of buying in bulk (1000L big bags) I might be able to buy sawdust in smaller bags to make this task easier. Pellet bags are also a possibility, more expensive though. - Disposal of wasted fruiting blocks. Still have no idea how to get rid of a cubic yard or more of old bags per month. - Distribution. I'm afraid it will take too much time. I will probably have to restrict deliveries twice a week. - Business won't be registered in the beginning. By not being able to send invoices some customers are out of my range.
I must say my practical experience is reduced but I'm convinced that by following practical successful examples and pumping new batches into the PC every day the learning curve will be exponential. To support my lack of experience I will keep around 5000€ in my pocket after setting up the lab and fruiting chamber. This gives me some financial resilience as I can cover expenses for a year while not making a single sale, which is very unlikely.
There are many way of running business, these are my general guide lines. I promise myself I will do my best to stick with the plan as the universe conspires against me.
Some input is welcome. Thanks for reading.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#24897562 - 01/07/18 10:11 PM (6 years, 21 days ago) |
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Member Solarity did this short write up for those romancing the notion of a business which I think is fairly accurate. Oh you forgot bags as a monthly expense. A 23 qrt pressure cooker will not cut it for sterilization. First thing on my agenda would be a large steamer/ barrel automated. Here's his link: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14069753#14069753
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Quadman]
#24897882 - 01/08/18 04:18 AM (6 years, 21 days ago) |
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You didn't mention building a incubation room... ?
I think this is a very good plan, well informed and structured strategy.
Good luck !
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: odawg]
#24898044 - 01/08/18 07:18 AM (6 years, 21 days ago) |
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This is probably better than the business plan I started with 
Only thing I'd say is instead of running your pressure cooker every day, look into building a 55gallon drum steamer. For sawdust you only need to hit boiling temp for 6 or 8 hrs in the core to effectively sterilize. Most mold spores die above 140-160f, only 1 kind I know of dies at 180f
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: odawg]
#24898075 - 01/08/18 07:43 AM (6 years, 21 days ago) |
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Thanks a lot for the link, really helpful.
At first I thought start building the 3x 55 gallon drum sterilizer from the very beginning but due it's complexity I decided postpone that. But yeah, 18 quart PC might bottleneck the whole operation, the idea is to keep new small batches coming out every day and run experiences on the different substrates and strains I can get locally before I can confidently pack a 55 gallon drum.
Now that you talk about it, as an intermediate step it would be good idea to build a single 55 gallon drum sterilizer (vertically) and raise the bags a few inches from the bottom, that would simplify the build and reduce the cost, a lot. By the 2th-3th month of operation I could be filling a 55G drum.
The bags will incubate in the laboratory, at 24C. The lab will have minimum 20m2 (215sq ft), so there's room for a few racks packed with bags and jars.
Thanks.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: drake89]
#24898079 - 01/08/18 07:47 AM (6 years, 21 days ago) |
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Quote:
drake89 said: This is probably better than the business plan I started with 
Only thing I'd say is instead of running your pressure cooker every day, look into building a 55gallon drum steamer. For sawdust you only need to hit boiling temp for 6 or 8 hrs in the core to effectively sterilize. Most mold spores die above 140-160f, only 1 kind I know of dies at 180f
I take that as compliment 
I just read your reply after my last post. You are right, Quadman made me think about starting with a 55G drum sterilizer and now I'm including that on my plan as well. Thanks a lot, truly.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#24899617 - 01/08/18 10:16 PM (6 years, 20 days ago) |
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250 euro for plastic bags is not very expensive, I`m paying 400 euro's for a box of thousand.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: frog48]
#24899629 - 01/08/18 10:26 PM (6 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: RolledUhhp]
#24900033 - 01/09/18 06:09 AM (6 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: catnip40]
#24900164 - 01/09/18 08:20 AM (6 years, 20 days ago) |
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Looks like you have a great start on your planning process. This past year I went through the same business plan process, very tedious. I may have misread it, but something does not appear to be clear.
Goal - Net €2000/month ($2400/month) at 350 lb/week
1. If the current market is $5/lb and there is demand for the product, why are you projecting selling your product for $2/lb?
2. At $2/lb, Solarity Shitload Calculator estimates a 190 kg/week (410 lb/week) production to clear €2000/month before taxes.
3. At $5/lb, Solarity Shitload Calculator estimates a 75 kg/week (170 lb/week) production to clear €2000/month before taxes.
Solarity Shitload Calculator https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14069753#14069753
Oyster Mushrooms Target $2400/month (before taxes) Sell at $5/lb
a shitload = $2400/0.73/$5 = 660 lbs/month (300 kg/month, 75 kg/week) of oysters grown, sold, packed and delivered = 5x660 = 3300 lbs of substrate made/month = 3300*0.05 = 170 lbs grain spawn/month (5% spawn) = 12*660 = 7900 lbs of substrate in process - approx ratio of 2:1 incubation:fruiting
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: thunderfarm]
#24901357 - 01/09/18 05:52 PM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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Where are you buying your bags frog48?
thunderfarm,
1 - I can charge 4-5$/lb at farmers markets and orders placed by general public. However, I'm not expecting this side of the business to represent the majority of the sales. Neither will I invest the majority of resources into that, I suspect it is more time efficient to deal with retail businesses and restaurants who place larger and regular orders. I believe it's important to have some predictability, including in sales/demand. This said, I would love to find my predictions were wrong and have more demand from general public than I thought at first. Honestly, I have no idea how much I might be able to sell at farmers markets, I'm really curious to see how people will react to weird, never seen mushrooms (for them) and if they are willing to open their pockets. I'm my area restaurants are buying Oysters for 2.5$-3$/lb and shiitake 3$-3.5$/lb. So, to directly answer your question I'm projecting selling my product for 2$/lb because for this price I know in advance there are high chances of having my product easily sold.
2 - Solarity Shitload Calculator is really helpful and made me rethink a few things but the 0.73 coefficient is in my opinion not enough accurate to base my calculations. The costs of each component he describes varies a lot region to region and not everyone has to have insurance, loans to pay and a dedicated car to run business. These are my calculations:
2000€ / 4€/kg = 500Kg In dollars 2400$ / 2.16$/lb (accurate conversion) = 1111lbs (278lbs weakly)
If I sell 1111 lbs I won't have achieved my goal, I still have to count the expenses. So I need to produce a little more to cover that. By this time monthly running expenses will be higher, hard to tell how higher. The substrate I can get cheap but bags, energy and fuel for deliveries will pay its toll. I will add another 200€ to my initial 500€ projection. Total expenses: 700€ per month.
700€ / 4€kg = 175Kg In dollars 840$ / 2.16$/lb = 389lbs (92lbs weakly)
In resume, I will need to make 2700€ (3240$) and sell 675kg (1500lbs) monthly, or 168kg (370lbs) weakly.
A word on energy costs: I will be heating the lab (215 sq ft) where the bags will be incubating with a 500W oil radiator, the climate here is mild/warm year round. I pay 20€ (25$) per 13kg (28lb) bottled gas, I guess that's enough to run the sterilizer for a month.
Concerning the substrate processed per month, I wonder:
Why use factor 5 x shitloads of substrate?
Assuming how many flushes per block? Based on what biological efficiency?
Even considering a lower factor in my calculations, I still have to process a lot of substrate, that's for sure. Based on a practical case, I know a 55 gallon sterilizer can take 40 bags with 5lbs wet substrate, that's 200 lbs per cycle, since I'm planning to have two I will be able to process 400 lbs per cycle. 12 cycles will process roughly 5000 lbs. I worked in construction, often I had to carry in buckets 1-2 tones of sand in a single day into building sites for making concrete. Based on this past experience, I'm aware of the work it takes to move big quantities of one material. If I have a sterilizer big enough for big batches, than it's feasible.
If I reach this stage where I have all this demand, I'm more concerned with distribution and storage then production aspects. I can't sell 675kg (1500lbs) of mushrooms per month if each restaurant is only buying 3-4 pounds, it's simply too time consuming. I will probably have to refine the strategy here, maybe drop small costumers and focus only on those that generate more income to me. Today during a visit to a local spawn supplier, I learned some small mushroom producers are actually selling to large producers who can't fulfill demand or have to deal with seasonality. These large producers have more market range, I would love to work with them 
Well, I'm building castles in the air right now. I still have to start business.
What happened after the plan on your side? Have you launched your business in the meanwhile?
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#24901555 - 01/09/18 07:04 PM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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Just a thought on the 3x 55 gallon drum sterilizer: How would it work, if instead of a gas burner under a 55 gallon drum, I used for boiler a pressure cooker 18L/quarts proper for induction under a induction hub (50$ new)? Induction heating is the most efficient way to heat a pan since all the heat is concentrated into the steel bottom and doesn't get lost to the air. Other aspect in favor is the tightness of a PC compared to a light steel drum, less energy loss and more safety. The pressure build up would still be compromised by the weaker drums where the bags are placed, but the energy losses would be smaller.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#24901768 - 01/09/18 08:21 PM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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Sorry for triple posting but I have to write down my thoughts, I will use this topic for that purpose.
- There are 9500 operational restaurants, more a few not registered in my area. Assuming an average 3kg (6.5lbs) per order it would take 666 orders per month, 27 deliveries a day (6 days per week). This would't work for me. To achieve this scale I need to work with larger orders. I'm insisting in the number 4€/kg for appealing to larger customers.
- I just solved my wasted bags disposal issue: For 40€ I can have a local company taking one cubic yard big bag, or 6 cubic yards for 120€. They will drop the big bag and then come to pick it up when I want, just a rig distance. I'm allowed to have the big bag sitting outside for a week before people start complaining, it's how it works here. This extra cost it's justified for the hassle it saves me not having to drive old bags around town... This way I will get rid of the bags just next to the front door. I wonder if some organic farmer would be interested in taking them, I would be happy to give them for free.
- So far in my calculations I haven't included potential sales from mushroom growing kits, spawn and fruiting blocks, how knows Reishi/Maitake. Not saying I will do all this at once, but I like the idea of having others possibilities to explore in case plan A start to shake.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#24901826 - 01/09/18 08:43 PM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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Metacanna, I am currently constructing my facilities, equipment and control systems. I hope to be up and running by the end of the summer; hopefully sooner. Details on my build are given in the following tread. My current target production is 250 lbs/week of oyster mushrooms.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24377165
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: thunderfarm]
#24902050 - 01/09/18 10:25 PM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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28 pounds of gas for the sterilizer. I can't imagine that lasting a week. My 41 quart goes through a tank fairly quick and I run it maybe once a week.
A pressure cooker for steam is not efficient either. You would have to babysit and then stop and open cooker for water refills.
The drum with electric element seems to me the easiest and most effective. Thermostat to control heat , float to control water.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Quadman]
#24902123 - 01/09/18 11:25 PM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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I sell to a distributor and it was the best move I ever made, business wise. Not many people do that right out of the gate but once you get consistent production, maybe you can sell exotics to larger farm's or something
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: drake89]
#24902264 - 01/10/18 02:22 AM (6 years, 19 days ago) |
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My bags come from saco2/mycelia.be. Expensive but IMO necessary. I never used unicorn bags till now but from what I understand the quality of filters are not as good as saco2. The air of my incubation room is not hepa filtered and I'm afraid that will cause problems during three months incubation of shiitake. Our farm has got an output of 40 kg of organic shiitake at the moment. We're selling that for 10 euro's a kilo to organic platforms and shops in the region. I deliver once a week on tuesday. Lowest price of organic shiitake I've seen is 9 euro's a kilo, six euro's a kilo for oysters. Conventional mush does about 4 euro's a kilo in France, 2 euro's for oysters I'd start smaller if I were you. I've been doing this for 5 years now and one of my main concerns has been to have a consistent output every week. Over the years there's always been some kind of weird shit happening. Beginning of 2017 was great with 20 to 25 % yields, second part was a disaster, yields went down to 10/15 % because I had bacterial issues in my sub. Result is that you lose half of your clients, especially restaurants don't like it when you disappoint them. Concerning the organic shops, as a small grower you have to compete with the bigger platforms that always have merchandise if you call them. In that case you have to count on the direct relation you have with these shops. If you explain them what's happening in your FC they are likely to take your mush again once you got your shit sorted out. You have to maintain your network, or do your small grower act, as call it often. 
I didn't get what you're going to grow and if you are going to sterilize or pasteurize?
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: frog48]
#24904755 - 01/11/18 03:25 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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Thanks for mentioning orchid flasks. I'm hooked. you can take a 55 gallon STAINLESS steel drum and attach the pressure valve and a 5lb weight for a pressure cooker to the top. you'll have to cook it for like 4 or 5 hours though. I think R.R. was sterilizing jars under 1 psi for 10hrs. that was a long time ago. your headed in the right direction.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: WolfGang G]
#24905329 - 01/11/18 11:14 AM (6 years, 18 days ago) |
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wow, you've done a lot of homework to get where you are. I'll be following your progress!
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: SPASURr]
#24906623 - 01/11/18 09:51 PM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hey. Thanks for your words and input, everything you saying is subject to research and considered into my plan. Really grateful thunderfarm, nice work you are doing there. Only thing I would change is the diameter of the pipes staying underground. Over the years of operating you never know what might go in the gutter. I noticed you took measures in case it clogs 
Could you link me for a steam room example? I'm really curious. If I got it right, you can have a room large enough to fit a cart filled with bags in trays and then steam it with a boiler? Not sure if that's what we are talking about but wouldn't it be necessary to have a heavy structure to hold pressure? I would say if the structure has a squared shape, pressure builds up in the corners and the bags aren't evenly sterilized. I imagine this could work in a bunker like structure with rounded corners. Maybe I got it all wrong and I'm saying crap.
Quadman, I wasn't expecting that, from what you saying I will need 4x more gas than estimated. I can have delivered a 100 lbs industrial gas bottle for 100€. Thanks for the add, I will do my research to get a clear number on that.
The pressure cooker can have a float valve installed to let water in just like a 55G drum. I don't have the tools for drilling that but can have it done at a local metal worker. Concerning the heater, yeah, probably the electric element is better option, could be fit in the PC as well.
drake89, honestly, deep in my dreams that's what I would like to have, only a few distributors to deal with. Less logistics, less variables, more time for production. Do you have a topic on this forum about your farm?
frog48, got a quote from these guys in Spain - http://www.hongosbiofactory.com/es/home. They ask 340€ for 1000 bags. I was thinking of buying directly to unicorn bags but they recommended me to buy from their distribuir in Spain to avoid shipping. There are a few more distributors in Europe that I haven't contacted yet - http://unicornbags.com/distributors/distributors-europe/. ; Now that you talk about bacterial issues, I should consider 5% contamination rate into the plan, that increases the total number of bags needed to reach the goal. I'm assuming this number based on what I have read on other businesse examples.
If I hadn't enough production to meet demand from regular costumers, I would buy from others producers with whom I had established a relationship, better to have little profit than none. More importantly, keep costumers happy and show them you care, never let them down. Small businesses, more even in the beginning, are made of trust relationships, in this case between the guy who sell mushrooms and the chef that is expecting to have it delivered on time.
I will grow oysters and shiitake and see what sells better. I will use atmospheric sterilization.
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you can take a 55 gallon STAINLESS steel drum and attach the pressure valve and a 5lb weight for a pressure cooker to the top.
Could you put it in another words? Sorry, didn't get it.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna] 1
#24906661 - 01/11/18 10:15 PM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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A pressurized barrel is extremely dangerous , unless engineered to withstand it. 5 psi doesn't sound like much , could be explosive. Would not recommend it.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Quadman] 1
#24907292 - 01/12/18 07:53 AM (6 years, 17 days ago) |
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Agreed on a 5 psi 55 gallon drum, the lid will have a force of 3500 lbs!
The sterilization chamber is drake89’s idea. It is run at atmospheric pressure. I am building mine to hold two racks. I am still going through the boiler design to confirm my 15 gallon boiler will provide enough steam.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: thunderfarm]
#24923687 - 01/18/18 04:43 PM (6 years, 11 days ago) |
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Today I went for a visit on a warehouse available for renting, distance 15 minutes from home, 25 minutes to city center. They are asking 400€, a little above what I was thinking but it has a few bonuses.
- 190m2 (2050 sq ft). This is probably enough space even for more long term plans. - Low density around the warehouse. No nosy neighbors calling the police for no reason. There's a little outdoor space to pile used bags. Private access to warehouse's front door to load / unload my car. This scenario is uncommon at this price range and location. - The warehouse has high thermal mass as it is built in masonry.
With all this space I wouldn't be doing any definitive wood framing. Instead, I would start with PVC pipes structure and cheap greenhouse sheeting to have things running asap. This solution is cheaper, lighter, much faster to build and although less reliable, achieve the desired effect in the short term. The point is, be more experienced and start selling mushrooms to have a better grasp on the market, only then think about a more definitive layout.
Concerning plastic sheeting. Is it bad idea to use transparent plastic sheeting? The warehouse has a few windows but no direct sunlight. Assuming that wouldn't be enough I could put the warehouse roof lights on a timer, starting at 8h and turning off at 20h (12h cycle). That would suit me and the mushrooms too, I guess. I'm so cheap I can't even afford a CFL hanging on the FC 
So far, all places I have visited don't have drains on the floor I could use for the FC. I checked with the landlords if they would let me do it, they don't... Has anyone dealt with this situation?


The condition of the building is poor, some small repairs are needed. Thing is, as you can see in the pictures the structure has some damp problems, there's green mold in some walls. I can paint the walls but green mold will win over time. How prejudicial is that for the whole grow op?
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#24923946 - 01/18/18 06:20 PM (6 years, 10 days ago) |
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That is cheap rent! What country are you in? As far as mold, should be OK since you'll end up growing it in you grow room anyway. For water in the grow room you can make sure the floor is sealed with wood or plastic boards and silicone (or any waterproof adhesive), and vaccuum daily or keep one on a timer if the floor is sloped and the water all goes to one end.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: drake89]
#24971001 - 02/06/18 09:50 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks drake. More likely the floor will be flat. Before building a definitive FC with proper drainage, I guess the only way is to mop the floor. Once a day would be doable.
After some thought I decided to adjust my plan. I ended to the conclusion that it will be more beneficial for my peace of mind if I run some trials and sell at least a few dozens pounds of mushrooms before start paying rent. Having to pay rent before having accomplished any sales would be stressful for me, selling some mushrooms before will give me a boost on moral and confidence on what I'm doing.
I will start on my backyard, in a 160sq ft (15m2) well insulated shed. I will run the "business" from there during the first 3-6 months. I might be able to fruit some spent blocks outdoors. I don't like the idea of having my neighbors checking on what I'm doing but I have to live with that.
The space is tight, have to fit the lab, incubation chamber and FC in there. Goal is to harvest 20-30lbs weekly out of that space. I suppose the space will feel tight from the beginning but first I want to have all production sold, so there's a good justification to rent a bigger place.
I still have to drill two holes on the shed for intake and exhaust, probably 6', what do you think? My idea is to have all the space on negative pressure by having a fan on the exhaust of the FC and passive on intake.
For humidity I ordered 10x 3$ single disk pond foggers on ebay. I ordered different models from different sellers to check if there's some of them that last a bit longer. This will probably suck but will get me started. The foggers are all powered through a single 24V AC/DC unit. The one I have allows to adjust voltage so I can play with that and see how the transducer respond.
I ordered a 48x24 99,995% HEPA from Mann+Hummel, a German manufacturer. Lucky me they have distributors all over Europe. 195€ with shipping. Also, ordered a 1200 CFM blower from ebay, 150€.
For 5€ got a new 11 gallon drum barrel, exactly the same design as the 55G, but smaller.

This will run with a 2000W heater element and a float valve on the bottom, filled with 3 gallons of water. The lid will be perforated with 3-4 small holes to let pressure escape. Temperature will be controlled with this Temperature Controller. It operates up to 210F so probably the barrel won't reach 212F, I guess that won't be a problem anyway. If someone here is using this model, do you know where to get replacement sensors? This will get me started. Once I'm happy with the design of the small barrel I can upgrade with a 55G.
Right now my biggest concern is air circulation inside a small stacked space. My second biggest concern is to have to mop the floor or have my FC transformed into a pond.
That's it for now.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#24972456 - 02/06/18 08:26 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think a prototype farm in your backyard is a great idea. Lets you get in the swing of things without an enormous investment.
as far as ventilating your grow shed, i think the idea is to have a positive pressure inside the grow room. this will help push everything out, i.e. it will help prevent little critters, spores and other floaty things from getting inside the cracks and crevices of your grow room.
have your blower/fan take air from outside of the shed, or from your incubation area and pull it through a simple filter (could be a furnace filter or polyfil) and into the grow room. have a louvered vent to allow air out.
do you have any space in your house for the lab work? a lab can be tiny, simple table with a hepa and some shelves for storing things. I would keep it out of the grow shed if at all possible. I think its best to have incubation and fruiting separated from the lab.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: deadmandave]
#24972690 - 02/06/18 10:31 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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The idea behind negative pressure is to have a single fan exhausting CO2 and spores from the FC to the exterior of the shed while sucking air from a passive intake hole on the shed. For positive pressure I would need a second fan for the intake. If I have positive pressure inside the FC, unless 100% sealed, won't the spores escape into the shed instead of being redirected to the exterior?
Yeah, I know what you mean but unfortunately I don't have room in my house to set the lab, I could, but my wife would burn me alive. To adapt to this situation I won't be doing agar, just grain to grain and inoculation of sawdust fruiting blocks. Up to 10% spawn will probably offset less than ideal sterile conditions. The substrate mixing and bagging will be done outdoors.
A polyfil filter for the intake is definitely a priority. It's incredible how nasty it gets after running only a few days.
Thanks for the input.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#24973280 - 02/07/18 08:24 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes you might get some spores landing in the shed depending how the FC is built but imho I think that is better than pulling all the spores/bugs/dust/pollen that gets close to the FC inside.
Also you should only need 1 fan either way, whether you're pulling air in or pushing air out.
Of course it's your decision and either way will work especially if this is only temporary trial run.
Maybe your wife will lighten up to the idea when she sees you bringing home some sweet mushroom $$$
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: deadmandave]
#25026845 - 02/27/18 05:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm from Spain too and I'm practising for in one future start my mushroom farm.
100kg grain 30€?? where??
If you want a HEPA laminar flow filter look at Salvador Escoda (spanish supplier). I got mine from them. Good luck!
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Inocybe]
#25038712 - 03/04/18 04:59 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hola hermano. In Spain you can easily get wheat, rye and barley for 5-6€ 20kg bags. Look for local poultry, cattle or horse feeding stores. Same price for wheat bran. Usually these stores are not found online, you have to drive around rural areas 20-30km away from the city. Ask to local people working on the land where to buy it. In one drive you will find it.
I got my HEPA 48'x24' from Mann+Hummel, paid 195€. Thanks anyway.
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So, I stopped being a pussy and decided to don't waste time in my backyard, instead I'm starting in a bigger space. I'm taking more risks for sure but while planning I got more confident about the market, so here I go. My plan has been going back and forth as I get more into the mushroom business scene, so understand if I'm incoherent or contradict myself at some point.
If everything goes right I'm signing a rental contract this week for this space:

(It has more area that isn't in pictures)
This place is 3km, 6 minutes driving from my place. Driving times are crucial for me, I feel dumb when daily commuting long distances. At this distance I can even walk to my workplace when not resourcing / distributing.
This warehouse is 100m2 (1100 sqft), has 3 different water access points, many waterproof sockets installed 3 feet high (lower my chances of being electrocuted), one drainage point and 4 sewer access points where I can install a drain with a siphon, so smell don't pass. It's located on the back of a residencial 5 story building side by side with more buildings. This means this space has lots of thermal mass, structure is in masonry.
The walls being in concrete plaster can be misted, in turn they release moisture all the time acting as a humidity backup. From time to time I have to mist with a bleach dilution or the walls will turn into a fungi paradise.
The entrance is large enough to have a truck with a dump trailer coming in the garage door and unloading large quantities of sawdust. Very likely this will be the scenario as I'm struggling to find oak pellets suppliers, thought it would be easier at first but the only thing I find is pine pellets. In alternative I found a source that can supply fresh cork oak sawdust in bulk (minimum 1 tone load), being fresh is good for immediate use but not so good for storing, I will need to bag and pile it a corner to reduce the mess, which makes me wonder if it's good idea to bag fresh (wet) sawdust. (?)
I ordered the materials to build two 55G drums. Each one will run independently with its own heating element and PID, this is less energy efficient than other designs but in turn gives me more flexibility, I can have each one on casters and easily move them around (i.e. to unload sterilized bags in the lab), plus, if I have components failing in one barrel the other keeps going. The heating elements and PIDs will take a while to be delivered so I will get a gas burner, install a float valve and put one drum at work asap.
For shelving I will start with a single 14'x3'x8' and 5 shelves for the incubation room, in theory I will be able to fit around 1000 6lbs bags in there. I can have this built for 150€, the structure in non treated wood and the shelving in plastic chicken wire. This is a priority, so I can have many bags incubating from the very beginning while I'm building the grow chamber, I won't have the lab ready but I have the flow hood and a table to inoculate bags, not ideal but is no reason to delay production. In the growing chamber I will use some rusty but solid shelves I got for free.
Money wise I'm keeping close track of everything I pay for, right now I'm better than my initial projection, rent and materials and equipments being cheaper. Biggest surprise so far is on the oak sawdust price...
I hope to have solid updates in a month.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#25041584 - 03/05/18 08:48 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Loving the action you've taken to get to this point. I wish you prosperity and abundance in your venture.
I've been looking to do the same thing, but it's been nothing but a dream for me. The unknown makes me nervous...
I'm hope I can take that leap of faith to do the same as you have done, some day soon. I would love to hear about your progress.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Timmy Meow]
#25044638 - 03/07/18 06:57 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have you tried the poultry, cattle or horse feeding store grain? I thought that those grains have fungicides, because for animals they don't use organically grown grain. That's why the grain I buy is 29€ for a 25kg bag.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Inocybe]
#25044654 - 03/07/18 07:11 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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No I didn't. I just found the source but didn't run any batch with those yet.
Let me put it this away: Have you been unsuccessful on your grows because you weren't using organically grown grain? I have seen in the USA some growers using GMO soybean hulls mixed with sawdust with great success, which leads me to think there's no reason to pay extra for organic grain.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#25044666 - 03/07/18 07:24 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe you should try it first 
As far as I know, GMO are Genetically Modified Organisms, they could have also fungicides, but GMO doesn't necessary mean that they contain fungicides. I think that they were genetically modified to be more resistant to some patogenic fungi or diseases.
Anyway, if you are going to use non organic grain, post your results as it could be interesting to know we can use them
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Inocybe]
#25044676 - 03/07/18 07:34 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right but usually GMO seeds are designed to resist to pesticides and gunficides so these can be used in large scale ops. I will keep you updated.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#25046419 - 03/07/18 03:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone that says you cannot make an organic mushroom out of a GMO substrate is out of their mind and have no clue what they are talking about. Pesticides on crops nowadays have short lives and concentrations at harvest are pretty nill. They break down in the sunlight pretty fast. I use conventional substrates for spawn and bulk. I have never had any problems growing with them . Ever
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: lipa]
#25047925 - 03/08/18 06:07 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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lipa said: Anyone that says you cannot make an organic mushroom out of a GMO substrate is out of their mind and have no clue what they are talking about. Pesticides on crops nowadays have short lives and concentrations at harvest are pretty nill. They break down in the sunlight pretty fast. I use conventional substrates for spawn and bulk. I have never had any problems growing with them . Ever
That and you really can't get OG substrate where I live, besides sawdust. So supplements are treated like animal feed. You get an exemption if you prove you can't buy it locally and follow the rest of the rules.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: drake89]
#25048001 - 03/08/18 07:29 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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The main GMO is for the herbicide Roundup or glyphosate. They are modified so the herbicide dies not kill corn or soybeans. It is non selective herbicide so that is why Monsanto altered the crops to resist the Roundup.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Quadman]
#25050494 - 03/08/18 08:40 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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So finally I got the key. Here we go.

The plan:

It will take a while until I have all those shelves made. In the meanwhile, I will use what I already have.
Things to start with:
1 - Lower the roof to 9' with plastic sheeting. Framing in PVC pipes and wood, white plastic double sheeting for walls and roof. 2 - Assemble shelves, furniture and all garbage I carry with me wherever I go. 3 - Get a 55 gallon drum + a gas burner and start processing substrate. 4 - Yet to come.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#25050548 - 03/08/18 09:09 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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#25053975 - 03/10/18 08:52 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is awesome! I hope this works out even better than you imagine. I will follow along for the ride.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: GwopGetter]
#25068752 - 03/16/18 01:02 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm designing the incubation room and came across this question. How much heat does incubating bags generate?
I'm trying to figure out if I should lower the ceiling to 8-9 feet or keep it at 14 feet as it is right now. Thing is, I would prefer to have it higher but than I wonder how more expensive is going to be to keep temperature in the low 70s. In average, here the temperatures indoors fluctuate from 60F in Winter to 72F peak Summer in non climatized spaces. Let's say it's 60F, what happens if I pack the incubation room with bags, will the heat generated by the bags be enough to rise temperature to the 70s or do I need to use a heater?
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#25069085 - 03/16/18 03:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Up to 1 btu per bag depending on stage of growth. A lot of growers never turn the heat on in their colonizing rooms. If it's only 60 degrees at the coolest, you will most likely need cooling year round.
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#25069241 - 03/16/18 04:53 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Depends on your insulation but I only turn the ac off in incubation when it gets below 15-20f outside. Also depends on density of bags vs air space. Air circulation in there is important because the top of my shelves at 6.5ft is 5 degrees warmer than the bottom shelves, even with circulation fans.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: drake89]
#25069632 - 03/16/18 08:40 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input.
The incubation room has 130 cubic yards (100m3) and will hold 4-5 cubic yards of substrate incubating in bags. I'm trying to get a more precise figure on the cost of heating / cooling on a total of 200 cubic yards of climatized areas. I pay 13 cents per KWh, I'm expecting 50€-100€ per month on climatization alone.
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A few months later after my initial post I have things going.
Things I learned in the meanwhile:
1 - When growing lots of mushrooms the smell is very strong. At first it's ok but after a few months I don't find it pleasurable anymore.
2 - I found I'm highly allergic/sensitive to spores. When I had my first batch fruiting I got flu like symptoms, 3 weeks in a row. So I got a decent mask and put my FC on negative pressure. Got better but not perfect.
3 - Mice love mushroom farms. Grains and bran are his favorite. Rockwool is perfect for nesting.
4 - Harvested mushrooms take a lot of space in the cooler, compared to any other fresh crops. This is specially true for oyster mushrooms. Shiitake take half the space. I found this to be an issue when storing and distributing. Restaurants also complain about the room it takes in the fridge.
5 - Oysters are a PITA logistically. The caps break easily, too much handling will reduce their marketability. After 3 days in the cooler at 34F-38F they lose much of their appeal.
6 - When looking for new restaurants to sell the product, if I show up without notice they won't care. If I give them a call in advance and ask if they would like to have me passing by to show my product, I will receive much better treatment and the sale is more likely.
7 - I had some mushrooms in the cooler not selling. This happens because I never worked in the food industry, I don't know the right people and the best channels to sell the product. If I would start again, I would invest in networking and market research before throwing my first batch into fruiting. It turns out it's harder to sell than I was expecting.
The list is much longer but this is what came to my mind right now.



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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#25383152 - 08/12/18 09:08 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice to hear from you again!
Thank you for sharing what you learned! I'm scaling up to probably reach the 10-20kg per week in order to gain more experience with mushroom growing, and I would like to sell to friends and neighbours, but also to some small restaurants and consumer groups. The problem is that I'm not freelance and don't have any license yet, and this is a problem when trying to sell...
Are you doing it legally right? Could you give more tips about this topic?
What kind of cooler do you use for store the harvest? I'm trying to find some chestlike fridge but there are a lot of chest freezer but not fridges, I guess the chest-like fridge is more efficient and I could fit and stack the plastic boxes with the mushrooms nicely.
If you are having problems with mushrooms sitting on the cooler, maybe you should try to dry them to save them and sell like a value added-product, or make flour or something different with them.
Thank you and good luck!
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Inocybe]
#25383302 - 08/12/18 10:20 AM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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You can use a thermostat controller on a chest freezer to make it a refrigerator. Condensation can be a problem.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Quadman]
#25384290 - 08/12/18 07:00 PM (5 years, 5 months ago) |
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Most people growing in small scale don't have a license, you don't need it to start selling.
I'm using multiple fridges, in second hand they sell for dirt cheap. I might fit 30lbs (15kgs) per fridge. I don't use chest fridges because they take more space and are harder to find in second hand. I use 10'x 13' plastic milk crates for storage, they pile nicely. I would like to use larger crates but they wouldn't fit in the fridge.
Yes, I will start drying to reduce what goes to waste but the kind of demand that exists for this product concerns me.
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#27623450 - 01/18/22 11:16 AM (2 years, 10 days ago) |
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Interesting! Thanks for sharing
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Reditkind]
#27624181 - 01/19/22 05:36 AM (2 years, 9 days ago) |
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Awesome work man! I'm on the same page as you just a little behind you. i cant believe how cheap rent is for a warehouse is, for what your renting would easily be 2x-3x that here in the US at least in my area. building a 55 gallon automated sterilizer was the best decision i ever made, down fall it takes forever to run a cycle. I'm starting in a small one car garage with MINIMAL space. I'm cycling through basically ever issue your running into to. I will be monitoring this thread and i wish you the best!
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: rizhomushroom]
#27624965 - 01/19/22 06:50 PM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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It's a 3 year old thread he bumped
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Stromrider]
#27625452 - 01/20/22 07:53 AM (2 years, 8 days ago) |
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oh lol
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Re: Setting up a mushroom farm (raw business plan included) [Re: Metacanna]
#28557411 - 11/26/23 03:46 PM (2 months, 1 day ago) |
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How is your business faring in today's market landscape? I'm curious to know how things are going for you. Utilizing sms for business communication can be an effective way to stay connected and informed. Whether you're navigating challenges or enjoying successes, I'd love to hear more about your current business endeavors and any updates you might have.
Edited by glanmit (11/30/23 04:52 AM)
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