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mushboy
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inside the bag? like the variety of grain?
find a songbird blend. they can be more expensive but have fewer sunflowers and other junk.
its for fancy birds. ive also used straight sunflower seeds. it works but it cant hold water for shit.
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mercaba
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what benefit does the gypsum provide?
thanks!
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: mercaba]
#24895530 - 01/07/18 12:01 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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mercaba said: what benefit does the gypsum provide?
thanks!
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mercaba
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greetings!
I followed this tek to the best of my ability but ran into some trouble. Hoping someone can shed some light...
1. I ended up with sterilized wide mouth pint jars, each with 4 3/32" holes and SFDs like described here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048747/
2. jars inoculated with B+ spores from spore syringe (purchased from an established sponsor), and now it's been 16 days and no mycelium growth.
jars kept in approx. 74 degrees Fahrenheit room with some indirect daylight.
The WBS seems a bit dry IMO. When I move the jars around, the WBS grains seem to all move independently - no stickiness.
any ideas?
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: mercaba]
#24944477 - 01/26/18 06:57 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Spores are a bitch
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: cronicr]
#24944682 - 01/26/18 08:07 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: Spores are a bitch
I just did this for the first time 3 weeks ago and had shit results and I started with an agar wedge. Not sure why, because the jars had perfect moisture content. Everything was by the book. Temp is the only thing I can think of that may be off (new house is cold as fuck even with the heat on).
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mercaba
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: Asura]
#24945807 - 01/27/18 10:41 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Asura said: I just did this for the first time 3 weeks ago and had shit results and I started with an agar wedge. Not sure why, because the jars had perfect moisture content. Everything was by the book. Temp is the only thing I can think of that may be off (new house is cold as fuck even with the heat on).
What do you consider perfect moisture content?
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: mercaba]
#24946034 - 01/27/18 12:32 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Perfect: WBS does not leave wet spots on a piece of toilet paper.
Edit: Forgot to mention that I sacrificed a jar to check the moisture. Everything really did seem perfect.
Edited by Asura (01/27/18 12:39 PM)
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: Asura]
#24946044 - 01/27/18 12:35 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just so you know if you do foomans method 30-60 minute hot soak, you can load damp and after a pc cycle it will absorb more water in the following 2 days.
Works great for me!
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: JHOVA]
#24946057 - 01/27/18 12:41 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Foo's method is what I normally use.
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: Asura]
#24949033 - 01/28/18 03:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Spores can be a pain and it can take 3 weeks for signs of growth. Your spores can also be dead. Going spores to grain can be a contamination risk because even the best spores will have some level of contamination.
You didn't mention if you did or not, but don't bother to shake the jars right after inoculating with spores.
Every method I've ever tried has occasionally been dead in the water when using spores.
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Snydaz
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How much gypsum for 20lbs wbs?
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hamloaf
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Re: How I Do WBS [Re: Snydaz]
#24950698 - 01/28/18 11:20 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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3-5% by volume of dry materials.
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mercaba
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Quote:
SpitballJedi said: Spores can be a pain and it can take 3 weeks for signs of growth. Your spores can also be dead. Going spores to grain can be a contamination risk because even the best spores will have some level of contamination.
You didn't mention if you did or not, but don't bother to shake the jars right after inoculating with spores.
Every method I've ever tried has occasionally been dead in the water when using spores.
thanks, SpitballJedi. I'm pretty sure my WBS was a bit too dry. That being said, it's good to know that it can take 3 weeks. No, I didn't shake right after inoculation.
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: mercaba]
#25225343 - 05/24/18 11:16 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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used this tek today with walmarts economy mix wbs
used 10 quarts of hard boiling water to 7 quarts of wbs
soaked for 3 hours
when i was straining i cracked one open with my nail seemed still pretty hard on the inside and not a whole ton of moisture
hoping for the best
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pixelpopper
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I don't boil my water at all, I just soak the seed. Sometimes I will use hot water
As long as they soak for 12-24 hours, you'll be good moisture content wise
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pixelpopper
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Just reread and saw you did a 3 hour soak.. but you should be good since you used boiling water
Don't know if you've seen this thread, but great info on various times for soaking
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24764677#24764677
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weedjee
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Thanks for all of the great info!! Exactly what I was looking for. Bookmarked!
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: weedjee] 1
#26049226 - 06/12/19 11:38 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Let me summarize this for everyone.
The less hydrated the grain, the wetter you PC it. The more hydrated the grain, the dryer you PC it.
(Method 1) Dry, non-soaked, non-simmered WBS can be PC'd with water, like the MGME video about Rye Grain. The water ratio, I'm not sure of. Downside: Starches released while hydrating, may clump grain.
(Method 2) Soak, no-simmer, then PC it. Depending on how long you soak and at what temp, depends on how wet the grains should be added to jars to PC. Downside: takes time, but you can get the water content right and minimize sticky starches.
(Method 3) Soak + Simmer, then PC it. If you do a long soak and a full simmer, you will want to drain your WBS well. Downside: takes time, but you can get the water content right and minimize sticky starches.
Edited by guest1 (06/18/19 05:55 PM)
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Re: No Cook WBS [Re: guest1]
#26991577 - 10/18/20 02:35 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the great info
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