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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Thedillestpickle]
    #24887856 - 01/03/18 04:56 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Hydrate grains in bags as you would with jars.  Sterilze grain bags for at least three hours.  Doesn't hurt to go at higher psi's than fifteen.  Use clean inoculm.  Grains in bags appreciate being incubated on the cooler side of room temp (68-70F).


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Kyshroomer19xx]
    #24887865 - 01/03/18 05:00 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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How much water shoud i add to hydrate 2 quarts of coir sorry if its a dumb ? I just dont want to fuck it up




I use 600mL water for each 100 grams of coir. That may or may not be the right amount depending on the particular quality of your coir.

Also you can always squeeze out excess water if it comes out too wet.  But once you have a consistent supply of coir and a working recipe you shouldn't need to ever do that. 

Edited by Thedillestpickle (01/03/18 05:02 PM)

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Thedillestpickle]
    #24887886 - 01/03/18 05:10 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks i appreciate the info


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
    #24887888 - 01/03/18 05:10 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Hydrate grains in bags as you would with jars.  Sterilze grain bags for at least three hours.  Doesn't hurt to go at higher psi's than fifteen.  Use clean inoculm.  Grains in bags appreciate being incubated on the cooler side of room temp (68-70F).




That all sounds reasonable and fairly closely describes what I've been doing(usually 2.5 hours due to fear of caramelization).
What my major frustration has been is condensation on the inner surface of the bag.  Condensation forms, wets the grains touching the bag, and they go bacterial, and bag is ruined.  But if I prep my grain dryer, colonization is slowed right and never finishes and ultimately grains turn bacterial.  Very very tricky

Thanks for the pointers

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Thedillestpickle]
    #24887963 - 01/03/18 05:38 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the info but I'll just hydrate the way I used to and soak overnight. That always worked. Boiling my grain and putting it in jars is a new thing and a bit tricky.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Thedillestpickle]
    #24888167 - 01/03/18 07:00 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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hamloaf said:
Hydrate grains in bags as you would with jars.  Sterilze grain bags for at least three hours.  Doesn't hurt to go at higher psi's than fifteen.  Use clean inoculm.  Grains in bags appreciate being incubated on the cooler side of room temp (68-70F).




That all sounds reasonable and fairly closely describes what I've been doing(usually 2.5 hours due to fear of caramelization).
What my major frustration has been is condensation on the inner surface of the bag.  Condensation forms, wets the grains touching the bag, and they go bacterial, and bag is ruined.  But if I prep my grain dryer, colonization is slowed right and never finishes and ultimately grains turn bacterial.  Very very tricky

Thanks for the pointers





Then either your not getting the grains PC'd long enough or your culture is not 100% clean. The bacteria has to come from some where. Maybe leave one un-inoculated and watch it. See if it goes bacterial on its own, as if it does then you know you need longer PC run.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Thedillestpickle] * 1
    #24888193 - 01/03/18 07:13 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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hamloaf said:
Hydrate grains in bags as you would with jars.  Sterilze grain bags for at least three hours.  Doesn't hurt to go at higher psi's than fifteen.  Use clean inoculm.  Grains in bags appreciate being incubated on the cooler side of room temp (68-70F).




That all sounds reasonable and fairly closely describes what I've been doing(usually 2.5 hours due to fear of caramelization).
What my major frustration has been is condensation on the inner surface of the bag.  Condensation forms, wets the grains touching the bag, and they go bacterial, and bag is ruined.  But if I prep my grain dryer, colonization is slowed right and never finishes and ultimately grains turn bacterial.  Very very tricky

Thanks for the pointers



Condensation doesn't cause bacteria:super: if the grain is dry on the outside going into the pc they are fine


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: cronicr]
    #24888349 - 01/03/18 08:21 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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hamloaf said:
Hydrate grains in bags as you would with jars.  Sterilze grain bags for at least three hours.  Doesn't hurt to go at higher psi's than fifteen.  Use clean inoculm.  Grains in bags appreciate being incubated on the cooler side of room temp (68-70F).




That all sounds reasonable and fairly closely describes what I've been doing(usually 2.5 hours due to fear of caramelization).
What my major frustration has been is condensation on the inner surface of the bag.  Condensation forms, wets the grains touching the bag, and they go bacterial, and bag is ruined.  But if I prep my grain dryer, colonization is slowed right and never finishes and ultimately grains turn bacterial.  Very very tricky

Thanks for the pointers



Condensation doesn't cause bacteria:super: if the grain is dry on the outside going into the pc they are fine




They are dry going in, but after innoculating the bag gets warm due to the growing mycelium, and the temperature gradient from the inside of the bag to the room temperature makes moisture condense on the bag.  Big droplets of water form in the bag and run down and soak into uncolonized grains.  In my experience I've never seen a grain get soaked with water and still continue to colonize properly.

What happens if I were to just sterilize for a ridiculous amount of time, say 4 hours?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24888362 - 01/03/18 08:26 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Thedillestpickle said:
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hamloaf said:
Hydrate grains in bags as you would with jars.  Sterilze grain bags for at least three hours.  Doesn't hurt to go at higher psi's than fifteen.  Use clean inoculm.  Grains in bags appreciate being incubated on the cooler side of room temp (68-70F).




That all sounds reasonable and fairly closely describes what I've been doing(usually 2.5 hours due to fear of caramelization).
What my major frustration has been is condensation on the inner surface of the bag.  Condensation forms, wets the grains touching the bag, and they go bacterial, and bag is ruined.  But if I prep my grain dryer, colonization is slowed right and never finishes and ultimately grains turn bacterial.  Very very tricky

Thanks for the pointers





Then either your not getting the grains PC'd long enough or your culture is not 100% clean. The bacteria has to come from some where. Maybe leave one un-inoculated and watch it. See if it goes bacterial on its own, as if it does then you know you need longer PC run.




alright thanks for the advice. I think I'll bump it up to 3.5 hours and see how that goes.  I might also bump up my jar cook time to ensure the inoculant going in is clean. 

Thank you. 

I've been doing 2 hours at 15 psi, which now is sounding too short based on the feedback.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Thedillestpickle]
    #24888369 - 01/03/18 08:30 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

2 hours is great for jars.  For bags?  3 hours is gold.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
    #24888554 - 01/03/18 10:14 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

im waiting for my brf cakes to pin. the anticipation.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Corundum] * 1
    #24889007 - 01/04/18 05:24 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I use the Otter Coop oats up here dillest and I run them for 4 hours at 20 psi. in bags. 3 hours wasn't enough for these. Also they go in a tiny bit under cooked (25 minutes in boiling water)

Been running the jars 3 hours...The wetness of the grain directly effects my outcome.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
    #24889017 - 01/04/18 05:40 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Damn Crispy sounds like me. I run my oats 2.5+ hours in a jar, pushing PSI as high as I can with extra weight. My PC doesn't have a gauge, just a 2nd release vale that I suspect goes off at about 25PSI. I have been adding 2/3 the weight of the jiggler weight. I have been blowing the 2nd pressure vale some times and have to vent some pressure. I am thinking if I back the extra weight down to 1/2 the jiggler I will have a solid 20psi+ and hopefully be able to find a balance that will keep the emergency valve from going off. Luckily mine is a spring loaded valve and not a plug that blows out, lol.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24889033 - 01/04/18 06:06 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

The other thing that seems to slow bags down is the filter patches come in various ge configurations...Some bags can be sealed before sterilizing and some can't be... I use a middle of the road .3 micron unicorn bag. I don't seal this until after the cycle.

I also shake the bags so I impulse seal and use a zip tie for a good seal.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Crispykoot]
    #24889037 - 01/04/18 06:14 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

So for woodlovers could I just feed them newspaper or make a patch with newspapers? I have 1,568,693,000 newspapers (slightly exaggerated) and gotta get rid of them. It's a little chilly too burn them atm.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: van hatton]
    #24889238 - 01/04/18 09:05 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I inoculated some woodlover kramer cakes on 12/27/17 with Munch's Blenderless LI and I have mycelium growing in my oyster cakes...not sure which variety they are but hopefully I can fruit them successfully with no problems... 1st time cultivating them further than an agar plate..

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Leftfield420]
    #24889289 - 01/04/18 09:33 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I just put pasteurized straw in a grocery bag and dumped a QT of oyster spawn in and got oysters. They are easy so you will get some. I think they are possibly easier than cubes.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24889337 - 01/04/18 10:02 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit...eazy peezy then lol!  They are a clone from an agar pin in a nice lil cluster...

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Leftfield420]
    #24889362 - 01/04/18 10:13 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I used my electric turkey roaster to pasteurize enough straw for one bag. I went to high my 1st attempt and it Tamed out. The 2nd time I stayed lower, between 145-155 and it was successful. I even got a small 2nd flush, would have been better but I forgot about it for a few days and it was way to dry so 2nd flush sucked.

I just chopped down the straw. Brought the water up to 150, put straw in, set a couple bricks in there to hold it down and left the thermometer sticking up out of the water/straw and kept checking on it. At the 1.5HR mark I drained and let cool.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24889385 - 01/04/18 10:28 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I might do the same...I have straw and a eletric turkey roaster

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