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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
#24813589 - 11/29/17 04:05 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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the journal entry here is not date accurate, i have a notebook where I take my daily notes, then I transcribe them into readable format for others to see 
there are batches from the 5th, then 13th, then 20th.
I am waiting for the first pin to emerge, then I will make sense out of many trials currently running.
Then after for sure I will update.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat]
#24837245 - 12/10/17 08:25 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I set up my well ventilated storage space, it is as big as a large car really with a door that I lean to enter. With a room type humidifier and a heater, a small fan and LED lights, I obtained around %50-85 rH (fluctuating due to the weather conditions) and 20-25 C ambient temperature (18-25 C substrate temperature). Some jars I try invitro fruiting, some I bulked with CVG and cased, some I cased only with vermiculite, some with peat, some with worm castings added. Some took over all the casing layer so I had to scratch off and re-case a couple of them.
I tried SGFC, monotubs, minitubs, invitro.. I even tried a 400ml grain cake buried in fluffy CVG in a flower pot. Nothing smells foul, all smells like mushrooms when I spray. Yet It has been 4 months since the first spores emerged and all 50 jars fail to fruit. They smell happy, poke through the casing layer joyfully, well taken care of, but without any results.
Those were fruiting strains of 4 generations I grew before. Yet they fail to fruit. It is driving me crazy.
any suggestions violet?
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat]
#24837403 - 12/10/17 09:52 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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... wow idunno. No clue really, not from that. I've had lots of particular genetics take forever to pin directly from grain but you're doing several casing layers, several substrates, several grow methods, several cultures. Months of fruiting conditions and not a single pin?!
Only hint I have to start with is consider what they all have in common. Can you think of what that would be?
Might need to get us some more troubleshooting help for you.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
#24837641 - 12/10/17 12:21 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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what I could think of they have all in common is..
the spore print belongs to my 4th gen golden teachers, which used to grow on PF cakes in first 2 gens, and wheat in the last 2. but even delayed, they managed to fruit in the end.
besides what is common to all is the millet and screw lid jars, which I guess nobody would argue to be of hindrance.
I could think of genta ear drops to be the cause, yet those without fail to fruit I still do not point it out to be the cause.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat]
#24837645 - 12/10/17 12:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you need to post a pic. This is like trying to get a doctor to diagnose you over the phone.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Pastywhyte]
#24837691 - 12/10/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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here it is. my storage space.



over colonized and matted growth i forked off in a couple of jars and recased.
I tried to fruit in monotubs for 3 weeks.
i have other jars and trays standing on my window still sprayed 3 times a day.
I have flower pots with a full unshaken grain cakes as well.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat]
#24837697 - 12/10/17 12:57 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well don't worry about a casing being over-colonized. I'm not sure why people speak about overlay and patching and stuff, never made sense to me, even fruiting truffle species. Especially with Cubensis my casing layers always fully colonize. As I see it that's their purpose especially with this tek - the low-nutrition pinning site. Scratching up that casing is harming mycelium at the intended fruiting site.
Not that I think that's your problem. The pictures make me think open fruiting in dry air is part of it but you mentioned trying to fruit in tubs and also having other types of grows than this tek.
I'm mostly shrugging right now... wish I could help more. I'll keep pondering, and maybe someone else will have some insight.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
#24837710 - 12/10/17 01:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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shroomery is a blessing, it could be a trap as well..
some posts I read that casing and patching is essential, while you say otherwise.
yet I did not touch about 6 jars with full surface colonization. some matted and became dull. then I forked off a cm thick and recased.
most of others did not really, yet the failure is just as the same.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat]
#24837719 - 12/10/17 01:12 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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id post in the main forum.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mushboy]
#24856660 - 12/19/17 09:14 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello all!
To go along with posting my beloved Seed "Petri" Tek today, I have added a bit to the header of this tek:
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The person who inspired my version of this methodology developed hers growing high up in a populated 'hotel' apartment building, outside the U.S. Her limitations were availability, weight, fragility, portability, discretion. Her equipment consisted entirely of still-air boxes, AA910 pressure cookers, can-style tank propane burners, ziplocs and other useful plastics and totes to put them in, small yet powerful single material substrates and small efficient chip LEDs. She focused first on having cultures that could adapt to yielding so highly off of pure grains with the water being fed gradually to the sub instead of colonized in it. She became able to drain top yields off of grain with way fewer steps and materials and with material/energy use and waste small enough to not draw any attention, even when she boomed her grows up to large scale.
The one concession I can make to the forum's few yet outspoken detractors to this v-tek is that it pays off way way more for people willing to get into the isolation of ideal cultures, although even growing multi-spore this method, in particular the Pods version, is leaps and bounds *easier* than just about any full grow-out method known on the forum, so the payoff doesn't only appear in yield.
And personally I don't see adopting methodologies of superfluous labor and expense as a worthwhile price to pay to avoid culturing, especially since methods that ask for that much of a time/money/labor/learning investment also tend to encourage people to culture anyway...
Here is my "Seed Petri" TEK, an optional yet integral part of this Violet Methodology. If you want this tek to truly flourish, you absolutely must be on the lookout for the cultures that make the most of its substrates and style.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat]
#24856670 - 12/19/17 09:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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mentat said: So I set up my well ventilated storage space, it is as big as a large car really with a door that I lean to enter. With a room type humidifier and a heater, a small fan and LED lights, I obtained around %50-85 rH (fluctuating due to the weather conditions) and 20-25 C ambient temperature (18-25 C substrate temperature). Some jars I try invitro fruiting, some I bulked with CVG and cased, some I cased only with vermiculite, some with peat, some with worm castings added. Some took over all the casing layer so I had to scratch off and re-case a couple of them.
I tried SGFC, monotubs, minitubs, invitro.. I even tried a 400ml grain cake buried in fluffy CVG in a flower pot. Nothing smells foul, all smells like mushrooms when I spray. Yet It has been 4 months since the first spores emerged and all 50 jars fail to fruit. They smell happy, poke through the casing layer joyfully, well taken care of, but without any results.
Those were fruiting strains of 4 generations I grew before. Yet they fail to fruit. It is driving me crazy.
any suggestions violet?
Are you consolidating at all?
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: cronicr]
#24878877 - 12/30/17 02:03 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: Are you consolidating at all?
yes indeed, for about 10 days following full colonization. not really sure how long but i wait until i barely see the silhouette of the grains, just pure white myc.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat] 1
#24886856 - 01/03/18 07:29 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello there, Im a new account but have been reading the shroomery for 2 years now. Finally decided to create an account and participate. I feel like this thread deserves my first post! Sorry, there wont be any pictures, i just didnt really take any. At the moment I am studying abroad, my whole operation is on hold, definitely not forever, love it too much. But I certainly want to share! Now the main point of my post is to express my thanks to violet with a bit of my experience using her tek.
I began growing cubensis about a year ago. Before really beginning i have read the shroomery for a few months, gathering experience. Tried different teks, naturally, I began with the PF tek. It was a success, but i didnt feel the output was worth it. I started with a bought Golden Teacher spore syringe so I guess It was the way to go. Wasnt bad the grow, got prints from it which I guess was the biggest reason for the easy PF tek. Anyways, i moved on to bulk, didnt really achieve a great success, in no way am I saying it is bad, it just didnt quite work out for me, and it was messy in my opinion. I did get greedy though had many tubs drilled and ready, many failed and greened. At that time I still used a glove box, never tried it with a flowhood, violets tek just worked too good for me.
I came across violets tek. Reading about it I was a bit discouraged by all the comments, and by how few people actually posted good results, but it made sense to me, the bottom watering, the increased sterility, and the fact that i could use my old monotubs, and all the old brown rice and millet and rye i had.
I ordered some ziplocs, quite expensive. However, for the tek i actually used some locally bought containers, much cheaper, not as tall as ziplocs, a little bit broader, in my opinion even better, they dont take as much space for sterilization and when i case i fill it up right to the top, they were twist n loc of course(very handy for sterilization, just like the ziplocs, always a little gap for vapor to escape). Now the ziplocs I actually used for agar, great stuff, much easier than it sounds, used brown rice water and agar agar powder, will get to it later.
What can I say, i fell in love with the tek, it all seemed too damn easy not to continue. I didnt even go through the trouble of really cooking the rice separately, did it all at once during sterilization. First i let it soak overnight, after which without rinsing to waste any water i just loaded up my containers with 120g soaked rice and 60g of water. Thats it, put the lid on, leaving a gap for vapor and sterilize the whole package for 1 hour. One batch for me was usually around 18 containers, thats how much i could fit in 3 of my smaller monotubs. Perfect.
I inoculated all my containers with agar wedges, i didnt play with g2g, didnt see the need, as little work as possible. I always had lots of ziploc containers with colonized agar. My first agar zips were inoculated with spores from my PF tek grow, after that i just cut wedges from the parts of mycelium which seemed good to me, placing them in even more containers. Its super easy, that was the beginning. After that I just cloned the mushrooms i liked, splitting it in half and taking some tissue onto new agar. Or just taking wedges from already existing containers that seemed cool. All the 18 containers could be inoculated by just cutting up the agar in ONE ziploc container. Besides my first grow which was a success i started working using a self made flowhood, which made things even easier. After inoculation, shake a bit, this took some time and muscle, my least favorite part, but doable. It does clump sometimes, but i dont care, Ive cut up spent cakes, the mycelium has no problem with the clumps. After that its done, put em away and wait till its all nice and colonized.
Casing is important, doesnt have to be a thick layer, just a bit to cover the cake up and give it space to pin nicely and keep moisture in. Usually after around 2 weeks(not longer, side pins increase the longer you consolidate imo) Id apply casing, for the casing just use potting soil from the market, any will do really, i tried expensive ones, cheap ones, regular peat based potting soil, no big difference. This is important, YOU HAVE TO PUSH THE SIDES IN to reduce side pinning. i did sterilize the earth in large jars, making sure the moisture is just right, no dripping but wet. Casing was also applied under sterile flow. Put the lid back on, keep it on just as long as the mycelium needs to colonize the earth, no longer, or you promote side pinning.
After that Out into the old monotubs they go! After around a week the pins will emerge. Id bottom water a few days after taking the containers out, I find i can reduce the amount of side pins drastically if I do it earlier, before the pins actually show. There is already space between the substrate and the container because the mycelium already used up some water to colonize the casing but at that point there might not be a gap between the casing and the container so i use a syringe with a thick needle, filling up the sides so the water barely reaches the casing. Using a syringe and water straight out of the tap is definitely the easiest way to water, no need to take out containers.
I didnt keep the cakes more than 3 flushes, first one is the biggest one, often covering almost the whole casing. The second one is about half of the first one and the last one just a few mushrooms, considerably less. Still worth to flush em out. I often water multiple times during the first flushes as the shrooms drink like mad, dont let em dry out. I dont cut, i pick, cutting hurts the cakes from my experience, the stems also liked to catch some contams, just twist gently, some flushes its harder some super easy, in the end even ripping some casing off doesnt really affect the end result that much.
I modified the subtrate a bit, using 40g soaked rye and 80g millet/brown rice(whatever works). Rye holds water a bit better, makes shaking easier too. I also add gypsum, simply because i have a ton of it and it also makes shaking easier, about the results im not so sure, it certainly doesn't harm. For the recent grows I also used a teaspoon of whatever old oil I had, canola, olive, even coconut. They seemed to make the cakes more resistant to contamination, haven't really experimented long enough, but it surely doesn't hurt the cakes. Experimentation doesn't hurt. And again, i dont precook the rice prior to sterilization, just soak, thats all.
Pictures I will add once I start having fun with this again, which might not be for many months. Huge thanks Violet for all the research and great writeup, youve truly been a great help to me! Should have said that a long time ago, really, your tek is just easy, smart and fun, definitely changed the game for me.
Edited by WindWilli (01/03/18 07:42 AM)
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: WindWilli]
#24887567 - 01/03/18 02:24 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I still haven't quite mastered the casings on any of these pod teks. When you say to push the casing in the sides, does that mean that the casing is pushed down and around the sides of consolidated cake? And if so, how far? As far as it'll go?
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Elegua]
#24888069 - 01/03/18 06:15 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Elegua said: I still haven't quite mastered the casings on any of these pod teks. When you say to push the casing in the sides, does that mean that the casing is pushed down and around the sides of consolidated cake? And if so, how far? As far as it'll go?
I more or less just push it against the containers edge
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: cronicr]
#24888641 - 01/03/18 10:55 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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^ That's pretty much what I mean, just ensuring the casing comes fairly flush against the side of the container. I feel like that can help reduce the likelihood of side pins but that can depend on many factors, like consolidating a whole bunch with a strain that really wants to pin as WindWilli mentions above.
WindWilli! Welcome to the Shroomery!!!
Thanks so much for joining up to make this post! How refreshing to read that. You definitely speak like someone who really familiarized themselves with the method. Every bit of that post was worth reading and I hope more growers and future growers learn from your report.
Definitely give us some photos! Sounds like you had some really nice containers, so I bet you'll have more when you start to grow again. And speaking of the containers, maybe show/tell about the one you used as alternative to Ziplocs? Where they came from would be especially helpful if it isn't too revealing which I'd understand.
Lots of what you said sounds right out of my own experience, comments like...
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"I inoculated all my containers with agar wedges, i didnt play with g2g, didnt see the need, as little work as possible. All the 18 containers could be inoculated by just cutting up the agar in ONE ziploc container."
I would often do this too. I enjoyed ryegrass G2G but didn't always bother.
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"After inoculation, shake a bit, this took some time and muscle, my least favorite part, but doable."
Same. Shaking is a big part of all the grows, but it's the biggest labor of my tek - not because it's more work with my tek, but because my tek gets rid of the biggest OTHER parts of the work! I mean with spawning methods we still pretty much have to shake all the jars anyway, sometimes more than once too.
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"Id bottom water a few days after taking the containers out, I find i can reduce the amount of side pins drastically if I do it earlier, before the pins actually show. There is already space between the substrate and the container because the mycelium already used up some water to colonize the casing but at that point there might not be a gap between the casing and the container so i use a syringe with a thick needle, filling up the sides so the water barely reaches the casing."
Good insights, and you're right. Much of this depends on culture and how the individual grower ends up doing things themselves.
But I definitely also noticed a great reduction in side pins when I water sooner than later. Pretty obvious actually when we think about it, lol! I just don't always get a big gap in the sides before the first flush is half developed.
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"Using a syringe and water straight out of the tap is definitely the easiest way to water, no need to take out containers."
That's exactly what I do.
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"I dont cut, i pick, cutting hurts the cakes from my experience, the stems also liked to catch some contams, just twist gently, some flushes its harder some super easy, in the end even ripping some casing off doesnt really affect the end result that much."
That's right! Stem myc is purposeless and will 'give up', being the first doorway to contams on what are otherwise long-lasting healthy cakes with a good bit of nutrition left.
And yeah, the casing layers serve largely to help get ideal first flushes, especially since the grains are only recently colonized and consolidated and often need a bit of help with a low-nute place to pin. The casing gradually becomes less important as the cake has flushed and broken down much more of the grains. At a point they'll pin from almost anywhere, but less likely so when the grains are early in consumption.
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"Anyways, i moved on to bulk, didnt really achieve a great success, in no way am I saying it is bad, it just didnt quite work out for me, and it was messy in my opinion. I did get greedy though had many tubs drilled and ready, many failed and greened."
Though I wonder what you mean by "I did get greedy..." Not everyone's experience with this goes as well as many of the forum's outspoken "bulk" technique purveyors says it should. This is the most controversial part of this topic by a wide margin, but reports like yours need to be heard more on the board, because of how they like to get attacked by, well, people who don't have those problems.
Once you could get colonized "spawn", with my method you're done. No further opportunities for contaminations. There is no way this isn't a benefit. Helping beginners avoid pitfalls of extra steps is good. Helping experienced growers more securely approach a 0% contam rate is good. Methods like mycobags and this tek keep Cubensis growing on par with the quality of known reliable methods for growing mushrooms for decades. And that doesn't even have to be a compelling argument for my teks or against others. The methodology stands alone in all the other regards you mentioned here and more.
Anyways, thanks again for reporting in, I genuinely appreciate it. I'll also give you your first    
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Elegua]
#24889205 - 01/04/18 08:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Elegua said: I still haven't quite mastered the casings on any of these pod teks. When you say to push the casing in the sides, does that mean that the casing is pushed down and around the sides of consolidated cake? And if so, how far? As far as it'll go?
Just like cronicr and violet mentioned above, and sorry for not being more clear on that considering how important it is. Smack the earth on the cake :p even it out nicely and press the earth against the sides, kinda spooning some 2cm of earth from the center up against the containers edge. If mycelium gets uncovered, pat some more of it on. When the mycelium takes the earth over it solidifies it even more creating a nice barrier till the first flush, not letting in too much air to the sides. The cake wont mind if you press a bit of substrate along with it. Im saying this because my cakes never really were even, they often had ridges, often with more substrate on one side than the other. Most likely caused by not pre cooking and rinsing the brown rice. Also because of the rice variety itself. Long grain brown rice is not as sticky as the short grain brown rice. Again, it didnt matter to me, not for the results and not for the mycelium, even if there were clumps that i couldn't break up during shaking the mycelium drilled through it either way. I kinda fixed it later on by addind a percentage of rye with the rice and also millet. A nice multi grain varied cake! hah, i never did get around to trying grass seed, i just had too much rice and rye!
Thanks for welcoming me Violet, yes, i believe the pictures would have been quite a pleasure for the eye, especially the first flushes, wouldnt mind taking a look at them as well. Too bad I didnt take any.
By saying i did get greedy I meant once I started multiplying my jars of colonized Rye i couldnt stop, i made so many that I had to create more plastic tubs for all the substrate. I definitely dont want to discourage anyone from trying bulk. i just love the super low rate of contams, simplicity and overall cleanliness of this tek too much to go back to bulk(for now at least;)).
Using your tek very few of my containers contaminated, especially after building my flowhood(cool thing, even building one myself was quite fun and satisfying). The very first grow using your tek I inoculated all containers using g2g in a glove box, surprisingly, none of them contaminated before the first flush.
As for the containers I used, they were not THAT ideal, they did have a convex bottom, not too much but it might have affected the transfer of water to the very center of the cake. Not sure though, they are super cheap and as I said, local ones, not really widely available. I still did prefer them over the ziplocs as they weren't as tall(i dont have a big pressure cooker, sterilizing did take some time) in the end making everything nice and snug without much wasted space.
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Re: Casing tek • quick, easy, great, efficient casing layers [Re: Violet]
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Re: Casing tek • quick, easy, great, efficient casing layers [Re: jphil]
#24986474 - 02/11/18 03:45 PM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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So I just found this violets rgs tek and I'm so down to do this instead of spawning to bulk. I currently have WBS in glass jars my original plan was the age old spawn to bulk but now I wanna just let them fruit straight seed most of my jars are pint wide mouth so I could just open these up, case them, and let them fruit right?
I also unfortunately have 4 quart jars fully colonized my question is should/could I use these 4 quart jars and just shake them up and then pour them into new empty Ziploc pints and then have them recover then case or should I go out get some grass seed make a bunch of pint Ziplocs and use the 4 quart jars to g2g transfer into the grass seed pints?
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Re: Casing tek • quick, easy, great, efficient casing layers [Re: WindWilli]
#24992126 - 02/13/18 07:15 PM (6 years, 10 days ago) |
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Hi all! OK, follow up casing question --
If I case, and then a couple of weeks later (maybe after the first few fruits) the colonized casing layer itself starts pulling away from the sides of the bottle, would there be benefit in adding a bit more casing and filling in those sides, to avoid the air & droplet combo that encourages the side pins?
Or are side-pins not really much of an issue in this tek?
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