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RockyB
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What is perfect dryness?
#24887769 - 01/03/18 04:08 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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I'm not being lazy, I have searched the whole site and I get "cracker dry" is what you're going for, but what does that mean? Saltine or tricuit? Like it snaps if you go to break it? My small guys are dry like that. The larger guys can bend a bit. Is the bend ok?
Also there is so much conflicting information as to dehydrators vs fans vs dessicants, and heat or no heat. I've come to the conclusion that heat doesn't matter(within reason) but the ones I've dried at 95 degrees "look" so much better. Nice and light.
Does it make a difference if they darken? The first couple I picked went black because I just left them out for a few hours thinking that would be fine.

Does anyone notice different trips depending on strains and dryness and batches?
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24887790 - 01/03/18 04:15 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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NO BEND! They all need to be a nice crisp snap. If in doubt go longer. If you fail to fully dry them, they will mold in storage.
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"Cracker dry".
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No bend, cracker dry. Ive never found a bendy cracker so i doubt it matters what brand of cracker people are referring to.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: puff4200]
#24888196 - 01/03/18 07:15 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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puff4200 said: No bend, cracker dry. Ive never found a bendy cracker so i doubt it matters what brand of cracker people are referring to.
Touche... First time, so the uncertainty is at a maximum
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24888203 - 01/03/18 07:18 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Use heat to get the remaining mousture out..they will only dry to your ambient rh without it
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24888213 - 01/03/18 07:20 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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You can weigh em before and after to see how dry they are. Earlier today I finished drying 109g wet it ended up as 6.7g dry. Mushrooms are most often around 92.5% water IME.
109*0.06=6.54 So this batch was made up of 94% water.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24888389 - 01/03/18 08:38 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Best way to dry without uncertainty is get a food dehydrator. They're only like 20 at walmart. Other than that you can look up desiccant teks. Like someone else said your not going to be able to get them cracker dry without a bit of help.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: puff4200]
#24888504 - 01/03/18 09:37 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Dessicants may be used to keep cracker dry shrooms cracker dry during long ass storage. But not for drying shrooms.. Food dehydrators are the shit
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24888529 - 01/03/18 09:52 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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You can definately buy large amounts of damp-rid for cheap and use them to dry mushrooms. Food dehydrators are definately preferable but definately possible to dry mushrooms with desiccant.
Quick search brings up countless teks/threads
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15546948/fpart/all/vc/1
https://www.shroomery.org/10615/Desiccants-and-drying
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17993929
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: puff4200]
#24892525 - 01/05/18 06:15 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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I've got a food dehydrator. It was more of uncertainty if they were done. I can pinch the skin and it still bends. It seems very dry but it still moves without breaking. I've been at 95 degrees for 2 days.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24892535 - 01/05/18 06:20 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Id turn your dehydrator up, 95 is nothing. I think mine runs betweeon 160-170. 12 hours usually gets them cracker dry. Heat doesn't destroy the active chemicals like people think but long term exposure to heat can definately negitively effect them. Thats why its better to dry them at a higher temp quicker rather than keep them at 95 for 2 days.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24892538 - 01/05/18 06:20 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Your food dehydrator should be at like 160-180. Your not getting them fully dry because your not doing it correctly. It is easy to dry shrooms. They should break with a good snap. Hell I use to do it in 24 hours with just a light bulb and a screen.
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Oh gotcha, that's what I'll do. Yeah there's a lot of conflicting info out there: heat, no heat. I feel like the heat breakdown makes no sense given you should make tea to consume them and that's roughly 200 degrees.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24892574 - 01/05/18 06:35 PM (7 years, 12 days ago) |
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Its really oxygen that hurts psilocybin. Heat makes the oxidation more rapid but as long as its not a long term exposure then theres no difference.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: puff4200]
#24893713 - 01/06/18 09:02 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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So then fresh mushrooms are more potent than dried (probably only minutely). So 160-180 for a couple hours. I thought when psilocybin oxidizes it becomes psilocin no?
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24893721 - 01/06/18 09:08 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Actually data says that fresh are about twice as potent as dry fruits. Fresh contain about equal amount of psilocin as psilocybin, dry contain pretty much only psilocybin.
I´m not sure if psilocybin 'oxidizes' into psilocin but I think that psilocin oxidizes and degrades. I think tho that lemon, and other acids like our stomach and converts the psilocybin to psilocin. Maybe I totally slaughtered this information but this is what I can think of from the top of my head
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24893742 - 01/06/18 09:25 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Mateah said: Actually data says that fresh are about twice as potent as dry fruits. Fresh contain about equal amount of psilocin as psilocybin, dry contain pretty much only psilocybin.
I´m not sure if psilocybin 'oxidizes' into psilocin but I think that psilocin oxidizes and degrades. I think tho that lemon, and other acids like our stomach and converts the psilocybin to psilocin. Maybe I totally slaughtered this information but this is what I can think of from the top of my head 
Yes, I misspoke. That was my understanding... I was calling it oxidation.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24893744 - 01/06/18 09:26 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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From what I read, a phosphate breaks off the psilocybin to form psilocin. I could be wrong on that.
I have also never seen any data yet stating that fresh have equal amounts, not to mention saying they are twice as potent is hard, as they do weigh 10 times as much. I do find that 30g fresh is a bit stronger and seems to last longer than 3g dried.
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A few days ago I dried 109g fresh down to 6.7g. I know from experience that 70g fresh is immensely more intense than 7g dry. I can´t imagine how 109g fresh would be and also my shrooms are about 93-94% h2o
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24893767 - 01/06/18 09:36 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Damn I been getting like 8-10% return, one grow was almost 11%, genetics I guess.
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That would support that right? If the general rule is 90%, but in reality it's 94%ish, and trips are stronger (I get it's not the most scientific), then they most likely are more potent fresh(at least anecdotely).
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24893807 - 01/06/18 09:57 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Right. It would be a hard to measure type of thing. Doing so based off the trip is also hard as so many things can affect how intense the trip is. I find fresh hard to choke down, although I will say doing it with a bag of Funions isn't to bad, lol, they help mask the taste some.
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If I dried 50g fresh I would end up with about 3g dry, and I´m PRETTY sure that 50g fresh would blow my socks off and 3g dry would produce a decent trip 
It´s hard to compare but from experience it seems that a huge amount of actives get destroyed during the drying process.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24893816 - 01/06/18 10:04 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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to solve all these problems just eat soooo many shrooms that the dosing itself becomes pointless cause you just loose count of the individual experiences and its just like...one big experience man.
perfect dryness for me would be 24hrs on the dehydrator no matter what the size. although sometimes monsters need longer.
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Mateah said: from experience it seems that a huge amount of actives get destroyed during the drying process.
not at my house. sometimes 1gram of good dry cubes is overwhelming. how do you dry? (other seasoned trippers i know say the same about the shroomies i gift them)
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: mushboy]
#24893821 - 01/06/18 10:08 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Damn 50g dry to 3, that's a shit return for sure. Yes they are more potent, but I SERIOUSLY doubt the active chemicals would truly measure double if properly tested in a lab.
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I use a food dehydrator for about 12h longer is really not necessary with my small to medium size fruits.
I have yet to end up with more than 8g dry from 100g wet, usually I get to keep around 6-7% of the wet weight.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24893829 - 01/06/18 10:13 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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I am going to say genetics. BUT that issue should be solved soon, after my letter gets to you, lol.
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Luckily TMH420 was kind enough to hook me up with better genetics so hopefully I will soon get that 10% return on my investment
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24893837 - 01/06/18 10:16 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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clone better genetics so your not harvesting trays of hollow tooth picks?
i used to noticed more like 96% dry from shroomies that were not only MS but just grown in sub optimal conditions as well. the combination of improved cultivation skills and cloning beefier shrooms has led to not as much weight loss.
maybe its more of the proper conditions and less of the genetics??? i honestly dont know. although i dont even measure wet anymore so ... im just talkin out my ass i guess.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: mushboy]
#24893840 - 01/06/18 10:21 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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I´ve been growing a clone lately and I made a weak tea yesterday only 1g that I split with gf cause I had some SAB work later, but it became too intense an hour later and the apartment actually started to breathe and move. From only 0.5g of a regular cube, that´s pretty awsome. I have to say so far I´m pleased with this 'watery' clone.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24893841 - 01/06/18 10:22 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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haha nice. i didnt mean to insult with the toothpick remark. but sometimes cubes are hollow as fuck and dry to nothing
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: mushboy]
#24893846 - 01/06/18 10:26 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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I would never be offended by anything you say mushy, I´ve seen trough you I and I know you´re a good dude, so you can keep pretending that you´re an asshole how much you want but you won´t fool me
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24893849 - 01/06/18 10:27 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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i just zoomed in on that avatar. i cant decide if i like that, or bods better. im fucking dying. good night.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24893851 - 01/06/18 10:27 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Cubes are suppose to have hollow stems so I guess I´m the only one growing real cubes around here lol all you others grow some mutants
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: Mateja]
#24897229 - 01/07/18 07:13 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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So I don't know if I'm an idiot, but I cranked the heat up and gave them another day. I take them out and they are cracker dry... I broke tons of them just to double check. Look a little cooked even. I put them in a 5 quart container lined with dessicants and a day later they have a slight bend if I pinch them. The flesh of the ones I snapped can bend a bit withought breaking. What the hell am I doing wrong?
I'm not going to lie, I'm really happy that the hardest part has been drying. I followed all direction to a perfect T, and I've lost 4 out of 24 jars, and 1 out of 3 small(1 quart spawn) bulk grows... I just don't get how I'm screwing up what seems like the easiest part.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24897259 - 01/07/18 07:29 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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If I was only planning on drying a few ozs of booms and never planning to do it again, I would prolly buy the damp rid. Single use.
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psilocyanide said: If I was only planning on drying a few ozs of booms and never planning to do it again, I would prolly buy the damp rid. Single use.
I'll look into that, but I'm hoping for a way to fix the current method.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24897810 - 01/08/18 02:32 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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I store my in a doggy bag on top of the fridge where the air is totally dry, can even leave the bags open and the shrooms stay perfectly crispy. Storing them In a dry place is of course important if you are not vacuum packaging.
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: mushboy]
#24897814 - 01/08/18 02:36 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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i just zoomed in on that avatar. i cant decide if i like that, or bods better. im fucking dying. good night.
I even tried to trace the original creator to thank him or her but couldnt find
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Re: What is perfect dryness? [Re: RockyB]
#24898023 - 01/08/18 07:03 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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The term "cracker dry" is just a reference to crackers. Its not brand specific.
It basically means so dry, it feels like the texture of a cracker when u feel up the dried shroomz.
I use a desk lamp with a incandescent bulb with the shrooms laying on tin foil. Takes a couple days but does the trick.
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Quote:
LogicaL Chaos said: I use a desk lamp with a incandescent bulb with the shrooms laying on tin foil. Takes a couple days but does the trick.
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