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Can manure be added after the fact?
    #24887484 - 01/03/18 01:43 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I messed up and used compost that had peat moss, straw, gypsum but no manure. I already layered it with spawn in mini tub.....
Its been two days; now I have poo can i add some poo to the mini tub of spawn and compost w/ a little verm and mix it up and go back to letting it colonize???

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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: BuffGuts]
    #24887488 - 01/03/18 01:44 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

No.  But IMO it really isn't worth it to play with shit anyway.

That doesn't sound like a very good substrate, with or without manure. Why did you use it?

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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: Psilicon]
    #24887651 - 01/03/18 03:16 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

It was my first attempt at bulk. I researched so long, everything went so well and I overlooked the shit I purchased. This is my first lesson learned. It hurt since the 4qt jar of PE looked incredible :frown:
Oh, I will try manure until I get it right. Coir just didn't seem like the ideal medium.


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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: BuffGuts]
    #24887663 - 01/03/18 03:20 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24887695 - 01/03/18 03:36 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

My plan is
50% manure (already pasturized)
46% vermiculite
4% gypsum

what do you y'all think? i wont have to mess with any pasturization. if i incorporate coir ill have to pasturize it.

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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: BuffGuts]
    #24887699 - 01/03/18 03:38 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

ive researched so much and so long its seems there is a myriad of possible substrates and mixes.....it becomes taxing when one plan can instantly be thwarted by a single piece of knowledge...

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    #24887714 - 01/03/18 03:46 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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My plan is
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46% vermiculite
4% gypsum

what do you y'all think? i wont have to mess with any pasturization. if i incorporate coir ill have to pasturize it.



It's the other way around.  Manure will need pasteurized where as coir will not.
Also, use more of a 25-30/70-75% vermiculite/manure mix.  4% gypsum will be fine.


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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24887744 - 01/03/18 03:59 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I'm in a small living arrangement so I went the ready-to-go manure route. It is already pasteurized. I have three bricks of coir though.
Thanks for knowledge, hamloaf.
Would you do the 35/65 or do 35%(manure),30%(coir) 30% (verm) with some coffee and gypsum!>!? or for first time go easy route.
BTW< thought coir need to be pasteurized for an hour with boiling water?
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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: BuffGuts]
    #24887753 - 01/03/18 04:02 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Yes, but leave out the coffee.  Gypsum isn't necessary, but it does less harm than good.
Hot water bath isn't pasteurization.  Coir doesn't even need to be bathed in hot water, but the myce digests it better if it is.


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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24887764 - 01/03/18 04:06 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Coolio. So just get all three to field capacity and do the thang? no need to hot water bathe the coir and verm?

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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: BuffGuts]
    #24887771 - 01/03/18 04:08 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

It's ideal to hot water bath the coir and verm.


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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24887780 - 01/03/18 04:12 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Thanks so much. You've answered the questions to all those linger doubts Ive had.
Happy New Year!

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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: BuffGuts]
    #24887891 - 01/03/18 05:10 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

One more quick question...please
The plan was to use a mini monotub and layer spawn, sub, spawn, sub until it reached 2.5" up the 16qt tub then lay a piece of wax paper on top.
Does that sound like a resonable plan?
Not planning on using a casing layer.

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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: BuffGuts]
    #24888566 - 01/03/18 10:25 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Don't layer.  Get in there with your hands and mix it up as much as you can.


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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: Psilicon]
    #24888574 - 01/03/18 10:29 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

That's subjective.  Layering's fine.  :super:


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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24888588 - 01/03/18 10:35 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Layering is fine but not good.  Equally distributing grains so each one can colonize in a sphere around it is better.  That isn't subjective.  It's just math.


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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: Psilicon]
    #24888609 - 01/03/18 10:43 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Layering is just as good as mixing.  Mixing is simply faster. 
In fact, layering has a slightly quicker recovery time due to the spawn not being handled as much as being mixed.


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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24888634 - 01/03/18 10:53 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Just opening your spawn jars and burying them in substrate has an even faster recovery time. I wonder why we don't do that.
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I don't buy that after beating the shit out of grain jars to break them up, whether they're mixed or layered has an effect on recovery.


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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: Psilicon]
    #24888646 - 01/03/18 10:57 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

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I just finished a couple of 5 inch layered trays with some nice fluffy textured coir 70%, Cowpoo 30%, alph alpha straw 10%, which was really nice and light. Rough percentages I just use my eye.

But I have meant to ask about layering, is there a knack to it? I basically just keep them all very thin, first substrate then spawn, just enough spawn to cover the previous sub layer, until I reach the top. Last layer a bit thicker substrate.




That's the way to do it.  Disregard anyone who says layering is outdated.  The mycelium in the grain layer re-knits together first and then takes off into the substrate with a vengeance. For this reason, it's better to have fewer, but thicker grain layers.

I've done mixing and layering thousands of times each.  With spawn bags, one must shake, so by nature it's well mixed.  With trays of manure or other bulk substrates we have the luxury of layering.  Be sure to always cover with a layer of substrate on top so there are no exposed grains, as you did.

To the rest of you, please quit 'jacking the thread.
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Re: Can manure be added after the fact? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24888657 - 01/03/18 11:04 PM (7 years, 14 days ago)

I see a lot of guys with tags who've made a lot of monotubs getting shouted down by somebody who's never made one. To be absolutely clear, I don't give a shit about the gospel of Mark.  I'll take my own experience over his say-so any day.


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