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mushboy
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thanks dude. i appreciate when someone can sum up paragraphs worth mental word vomit into a sentence for me. i was a heavy misting noob. but im stubborn as fuck. so instead of misting less, i grew in a way that requires more misting until i did learn.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883226 - 01/01/18 02:03 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I'm not home enough to do open air. My shoeboxes dry out even with lid on lol.
But I did just cut my work in half so I'll be home more often.
I see better results in full size monos. "Dialed in" with micropore prepped dry and misted when needed.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: van hatton]
#24883308 - 01/01/18 03:10 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I have seen a major change in fruit density and pinset since giving more constant air during colonization and fruiting but I hate babysitting so set and forget the air for me. only gotten a few fruits from anything open air because it's too much for me to check on them all the time.
I know cubes CAN grow in stale air or even no air exchange but definitely not ideally and with any contams present your failures will sky rocket in those conditions imo.
More air = more fruits/weight up until the sub surface gets too dry.
anyway just saying the same shit you said in a shittier way
also once fruits are halfway developed even more air will significantly bulk things up.
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mushboy
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: tombosley8]
#24883353 - 01/01/18 03:38 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Thanks guys!
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883374 - 01/01/18 03:54 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Fresh Air Exchange is important af when fruiting. not enough and fruits suffocate, to much and shit drys out. balance is key.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: tombosley8] 1
#24883499 - 01/01/18 05:03 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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tombosley8 said: I have seen a major change in fruit density and pinset since giving more constant air during colonization and fruiting but I hate babysitting so set and forget the air for me. only gotten a few fruits from anything open air because it's too much for me to check on them all the time.
I know cubes CAN grow in stale air or even no air exchange but definitely not ideally and with any contams present your failures will sky rocket in those conditions imo.
More air = more fruits/weight up until the sub surface gets too dry.
also once fruits are halfway developed even more air will significantly bulk things up.
I guess there are a lot of factors involved. I do often see different types of fruit body growth with the same culture in different grow styles but haven't yet found a reason to prefer one over another other than personal preference. A number of the cultures I've seen have and have not exhibited strong changes when grown invitro.
A lot of it may be all the extra mycelium on bulk substrate mixes, I've thought that before, but who can really be totally sure when it comes to the curious dynamic of Cubensis genetics. I do know, however, that my invitro Pods grows have not seemed to be nearly as dependent on this factor as many growers seem to emphasize. Maybe because subs are individuated into separate containers, 1/3 full, each with their own lids to breathe around.
A user named Chk who got pretty good with my methods got me to pay more mind to the ability to take the lids off of Pods containers with, just as you said, halfway-developed pins. Combined with bottom-watering this worked really well, especially with cultures that wanted to grow tall and proud such as a number of my AA+ strains. I've now likened it to the old terms that used to be common around here, the difference between "pinning" and "cropping" conditions
Didn't even mist.
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mushboy
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: Violet]
#24883534 - 01/01/18 05:22 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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What were to happen if you just always had the lids removed? Why wait until half grown pins?
Or does it just get too dry?
Cropping conditions is news to me. Ill look that up. But its all just fruiting shrooms to me. One step. Evaporate the moisture from the substrate.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883585 - 01/01/18 05:47 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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mushboy
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: cronicr]
#24883598 - 01/01/18 05:52 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Also, with flipping a lid, and having the moisture content perfect, it is set and forget.
Its almost impossible with a shoebox though, dries out too fuckin quick. Even if the coco is soaked.
But its really easy with 20qt sterlites.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883848 - 01/01/18 08:00 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: tombosley8]
#24883891 - 01/01/18 08:30 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I sort of came to a similar revelation last night about the dogmatic beliefs and pre-constructed basically dillusion thinking i had toward mycoloogy . So many different points of view on here , I think its best to experiment for yourselve to answer the questions you have and think independently.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883908 - 01/01/18 08:40 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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mushboy said: Also, with flipping a lid, and having the moisture content perfect, it is set and forget.
Its almost impossible with a shoebox though, dries out too fuckin quick. Even if the coco is soaked.
But its really easy with 20qt sterlites.
Im using 21 litre tubs. And i feel like iv been suffocating the fuck outa them. Poly fill stuffed and lids on, i cant imagine its getting good air in there even tho the walls are dry. and it " appears" to be to dry.
When i pinch a bit of the subbstrate with my fingers and pinch hard its still basically field capacity and the flush is done with veils breaking on small fruits.
I like your simple approach and i will be going with this flow as well as trying my own ideas in the future.
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