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mushboy
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AIR IS ALL AROUND YOU!!
#24883020 - 01/01/18 12:01 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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This is an opinion piece(thanks nate) or an editorial. either way....
To encourage open and frank decision, i would like to bring up the concept of AIR, to the average mushculter. DO NOT OPEN AIR INOCULATE BTW. Im talking about the dude on the couch, the person growing for the fuck of it, the person who isnt perfect all the fucking time. the person who does not grow tons, if any edibles, uses coco substrates; basic shit. grows a drug to get high more like this guy -->
AIR - go to wikipedia. i dont know science talk. but air is the invisible dirty shit that you breathe and is fucking where.
from my point of view(maybe its shared) air is just their. its not a vector. its not a veritable. its a tool more than anything.
vector - wiki please...
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In physics and geometry, a Euclidean vector or a direction vector, used to represent physical quantities that have both magnitude and direction
neat. i dont know what that means .
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bodhisatta said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_(epidemiology)
Fungi use air as a vector often times. But tubs don't go bad just because of the air so the air isn't a vector to a properly made tub. The air is a vector to sterilized manure
 the air will contam a improperly prepped substrate. luckily coco coir is almost fool-proof!
i define things so they make sense to me. so let me kinda re-word for some of us tards.
a vector, in my eyes, is something you can control, its something you can go around, its something you have options with. you do not have options with air. unless you remove air from the equation. this line of thinking is how noob chambers are created imo.
these are the REAL vectors i have encountered in my life as a novice half witted drug grower(thats what i am.. sorry )
-ME -misinformation* -syringes*
the last 2 are introduced by me. so in reality the only true vector is the cultivator. this level of realization is terrifying for some. mostly people who will throw 6million things at a problem instead of just working with the perceived problem.
MISINFORMATION - introduced, unknowingly, by you. this a tricky one. why do i consider this a vector? because its something that can seriously fuck with any grow. we have all applied misinformation before. colonizing in the dark, 84f nonsense(thanks paul) i cant tell you how much shit ive tossed from bad 'incubation'; misinformation. that is a VECTOR you eliminate with thorough debate and interaction with other growers(sharing best practices with trusted members) SYRINGES - also introduced by the cultivator. flamed needles? no problems.. but sucking up shit/SHiPs? big problems. but you can even get around the sterile ship issue.. utsf.

AIR!! - air is not a vector. air is a TOOL that every cultivator uses. and it should be wielded that way. some might consider air to be a variable. because it can 'land' or get mixed in with substrates. things that happen automatically are not variables. those are more like constants in the equation. because its always present, you cant change it and you cant remove it.
I use air as a tool. i make my SAB air still. i use that stillness to do sterile culture work even though i have, what some would consider, disabilities. i am able to achieve this because i have a basic grasp of gravity and common sense. sometimes i dont use gloves. AIR(or still air) can be a more useful tool than iso sometimes. if my hand is never above exposed media, and i know contams settle DOWN(gravity) then i have nothing to worry about. that basic concept lit up my brain a while ago and i havent had a contamed plate in over 1000. i am not lying thats all that you need to think about with your SAB. the air is STILL. your hand placement is next in the priorities, and after that? its all about technique, which EVERYONE is different with. but yet those few seconds where it counts? we are all the same. THIS is how you make clean spawn. with culture identification and some practice? its easier than making a sandwich. (ever notice at some people houses that mofos cant make a fucking sandwich?? mayo, tomato, protein, cheese, lettuce..that order!!da faq??!)
AIR!! when it comes to spawning, fruiting, or spawn colonization is even more useful. because you NEED IT to grow. if you need something? how can it be a vector?? maybe a variable but air never changes. so its not that either.
in the last months i have really been doing lots of open air projects. its amazing that my contam rate continues to decline, yields and over all quality of grows also increases, yet i do things that most noobs, and some established people here, would shit themselves over.
i open air spawn run. whats that? you know when you spawn a tub, then tape it up and put the lid on? i dont. dial in your SUBSTRATES. evaporation is KEY. find out how much water you can loose before you see fruits without drying out. im not going to say use 4.7qts of water per brick. but if your house is dry as fuck? and you have a flipped lid for 3weeks?... find out how much water you evaporate. i am not skilled, or articulated enough to type this out. but dial in your substrates water content. this is also the key to no side pins. and it WILL reduce your contam rate. not increase because you substrates are exposed, 24/7 to the one thing that is LOADED with contams yet keeps them at bay. FRESH AIR!!
the only thing contaminating grows, is you. its us. the cultivators. sure, coco trays will still randomly trich out. so the fuck what? but i truly think that people need to seriously redefine that way we approach and look at things here. less is more. use more of your TOOLS(clean spawn, air) and less of your our own ideas. let the mushrooms do the growing.
i have been on the shroomery since 05'.. did a few things none of us should do(50 monos with ms wbs straight spores) and i grew a shit ton of shrooms and had a blast. laid off growing end of 2008. now here we are 10 years later and guess what? the same problems are being encountered. the same things are talked about. why? because few people are changing the overall approach. some people try and it becomes a fucking shit show of dogmatic lectures and he said she said crap.
do you consider air to be anything else but a constant? and a great tool more than anything else?
 ...but a vector for molds?? come on... thats an excuse.
disclaimer* i would like this thread to be about helping newer growers understand what is actually happening and what to really worry about.
Edited by mushboy (01/01/18 01:44 PM)
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883041 - 01/01/18 12:09 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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*Waits for violet*
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mushboy
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not waiting for violet. no ones talking to them. this is for us to talk about.
i love air. so do my mushrooms. even right after i dump a cat box 3 feet from my open air tubs.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883073 - 01/01/18 12:21 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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I inoculate in open air! That always works, no problem. I also made my last spore syringe in open air.
But not to derail shit, arent mold spores so fucking small its extremely hard to douse them with a sprayer? I mean we spray down a SAB to settle things, but arent we missing quite a lot? Does spraying eliminate everything or are we just increasing our chances?
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883075 - 01/01/18 12:22 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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ya I think the risk of contam even when its colonizing is a bit over stated (my room has green trich on cut off 2x4s and ive never had an issue) cube myc is a hungry beast.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: Cakewonder]
#24883079 - 01/01/18 12:22 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Cakewonder said: I inoculate in open air! That always works, no problem. I also made my last spore syringe in open air.
no one is talking about that. and dont do it bro. i used to open air inoculate ontop of a toilet, wearing a tyvek suit, soaked in bleach.
stop that shit. now i do sterile work naked, while smoke a joint and eating a sandwich.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883084 - 01/01/18 12:26 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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I edited my post slightly..sorry
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: Cakewonder]
#24883086 - 01/01/18 12:27 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Cakewonder said: I mean we spray down a SAB to settle things
speak for yourself. your assumption is wrong dude. i stopped spraying months ago. but now you know this because of open dialog.
cool edit its cool bro. i live for this. spraying is something we do because somewhere our mind landed on THAT as being our savior.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883091 - 01/01/18 12:28 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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I just suck at agar
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: Cakewonder]
#24883092 - 01/01/18 12:29 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_(epidemiology)
Fungi use air as a vector often times. But tubs don't go bad just because of the air so the air isn't a vector to a properly made tub. The air is a vector to sterilized manure
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: van hatton]
#24883094 - 01/01/18 12:30 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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that will change dude. just keep at it. honestly. it took me 13years to really get a grasp and im a tard.
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bodhisatta said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_(epidemiology)
Fungi use air as a vector often times.
this i get, but in context to the average grower does it really serve a point knowing? isnt it an after thought? for manure and other substrates that need proper treatments?
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883095 - 01/01/18 12:31 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'll get it eventually I'm digging these brfc plates josex hooked me up with. I still use agar for spores :p
-------------------- If I ever give out misinformation please inform me so I can have the correct information. Tmethyl said: Chuck Norris once roundhouse kicked a monotub that wasn't pinning fast enough. The force of the kick rearranged the genetics of the mushrooms, we now call them Penis Envy. Caps McGee said:
Fun part is figuring out what works best for you
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883096 - 01/01/18 12:32 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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dont use a SAB so I dont know, I know that I have seen people spray theirs down. I consider a SAB a very inexpensive thing to use instead of a real flowhood. Id rather have a flowhood.. But I have considered getting a SAB and go into agar its just that i dont have the space. Thanks for the info about spraying and I wasnt talking for everyone on purpose I just thought we wiped and sprayed our SABS down before each use.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: Cakewonder]
#24883100 - 01/01/18 12:34 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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Cakewonder said: ...I just thought we wiped and sprayed our SABS down before each use.
i know. its cool. i wasnt and dont want to single you out, but that quote.. is kinda the problem. lots of people do things off someone elses assumptions.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883105 - 01/01/18 12:35 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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aha, well I will stick to PF TEK. Interesting discusssion mushboy. Ill read it again from top to bottom.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: Cakewonder]
#24883111 - 01/01/18 12:39 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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make a sab trust me.. have you seen mine?

dont gotta be fancy and i was a drunken slob when i made it.
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883118 - 01/01/18 12:42 PM (6 years, 28 days ago) |
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I dont have the space for grains and I need to have some stealth so I dont have use for one, but thanks for the pictures. I can only do PF TEK, if the cops find me its jail time. SO I have to fruit and then dry and then HIDE etc. Cant have exposed shit all over the apartment all the time sadly...
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: Cakewonder] 2
#24883182 - 01/01/18 01:29 PM (6 years, 27 days ago) |
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Your definition of a vector posted above is not the kind of vector you are talking about Vectors in calculus are not the same as vectors for disease.
I agree that most issues come from the cultivator, but spraying your sab down is not bad advice. If you live in a tropical or subtropical climate or have lots of drafts in your house then it's probably better that you do spray it down vs. not spraying it down. It takes two seconds and doesn't take away from the work at all 
Not everyone has time to sit around and baby open air tubs also. Sure, it's a method that works, but it takes more attention from the cultivator which not everyone has the luxury of doing. So stating it like it's the best method out there is reaching a little far in my opinion.
Cool opinion piece though
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thanks nate!
i didnt realize i said it was the best method. thats not my intention. i know i can come off that way. but i do think its best to stress these ideas i presented over more educated explanations that honestly confuse people.
open air does require babysitting but it sounds like most noobs helicopter parent shit anyway
i was also trying to be slick with the vector definition thing. basically i was saying who cares what the definition is because its not relevant. but being subtle is not my strong suit.
Edited by mushboy (01/01/18 01:46 PM)
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Re: AIR its all aroud you! [Re: mushboy]
#24883204 - 01/01/18 01:48 PM (6 years, 27 days ago) |
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Word I can see that for sure, wasn't trying to be a douche just noting some things.
I agree that lots of noobs baby sit their tubs too much as it is and that a quick evaporating sub can possibly be better for a noob with a heavy misting hand I think noobs should get better at reading substrates needs and maybe doing a few open air grows is what will do that.
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