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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: Ziran]
    #24886344 - 01/02/18 11:20 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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if hed install an intake and outtake fan then it might be a quite perfect "copy" or replica of a good SGFC in another form (or something like that...). I fruit in a large quite flat tote. I dont use perlite even and I get decent flushes or great ones so one can tweak it but yield...naah..we will see where this goes. But always interesting with some experimentation.




I used the perlite because even with the cool mister running on high with the two input ports I still was only hitting 80% R/H, it was very frustrating as everything I had read on here people seemed to get by with just the humidifier so I guess I just picked out a shitty humidifier or did a shitty job connecting it to the tub.

Either way one thing is for sure it IS getting plenty of fresh air I can literally feel the air constantly blow out the vent holes. I am definitely open to some ideas on how to fix my humidity problem because I would like to get by with out touching a spray bottle or even using perlite, I should be birthing with in a week so any help would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to invest in another humidifier so that is out the question.




surface humidity of the cakes/substrate is more important than RH of the chamber.




If your relative humidity is in order, shouldn't it reflect the surface area's saturation level as well?  or not I don't know how such a thing works with different absorption rates, for example: I would think toilet paper would "grab" more moisture out of the air and "hold" onto it then a chunk of glass in the same room with the same RH would....I could be wrong....maybe it's time to go back to the lab and find out for myself.

Thank you for just saying what you think with out a loaded emotional response to cloud it, I would like to keep this thread clean and scientific.

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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: lostindirection]
    #24886400 - 01/03/18 12:04 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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The problem is your thread title without evidence




Nope, honestly and no offense, sir but problem is everyone needs to just chill the fuck out and wait for it, which is the reason I started a progress thread....if you're not interested in where my experiement goes then just don't come back...and that's you're problem, not mine, please don't pull me into your personal struggles. I'm here to test something that hasn't been done so yes, it's going to be questioned and ripped apart, doesn't mean it is without legitimacy. 



Personel struggles...lol a laughable statement at best.
Good luck with your cake cartel adventures young one i wish you the best. It has been done:smirk:


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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: Mateja]
    #24886411 - 01/03/18 12:10 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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The problem is your thread title without evidence




Nope, honestly and no offense sir, but problem is you guys can't just chill the fuck out and wait for it, which is the reason I started a progress thread....if you're not interested in where my experiment goes then just don't come back...and that's you're problem, not mine, please don't pull me into your personal struggles, Thank you.
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OP! I was thinking about measuring the temps in my bulk substrate for a long ass time just havent gotten around to it cause I only have one thermometer for the job and I use that one when I pour plates. But Iยดm gonna buy a few cheap tomorrow and start measuring the temps during colonization and fruiting. Mushroom growing books say that the substrate should rise several degrees over the ambient temperature and especially if the substrate is infected by a disease or if contaminants are colonizing. It should be interesting to see exactly how that science holds up.

Id really like to see someone measure the temps of a colonizing BRF cake to see how much it differs from the temps in the air around it. As someone else mentioned a cake that has nothing growing in it will of course not rise in temps, it will equalize with the glass jar and the surrounding air. GL




Thank you, Jesus! lol finally a post to challenge my brain not my temper :smile: I was begining to feel like I was on Jerry Springer or something.

I wish I had payed more attention to my two temp-jars. At first I just assumed the variation was due to the  thermometer's accuracy fluctuating. Now the numbers are consistent and variable (well variable when you're talking tenths of a degree....

My colonized (95%) Jar is reading out above about 7.9 degrees, give or take .2 degrees, above my "constant variable jar" which we will just call it my CVJ for convenience. The temperature of the air was reading out with-in .2 of the CVJ's temperature indicating the jar is at or around the temperature of the room, the colonized jar significantly higher.

As we speak I've got the two sitting out at room temperature, outside the incubator. I'm going to let the temp drop a few degrees and re-access. I also ironically found a jar I was tryin to "preserve" because I had thought I just for got to hit it with the syringe after one week in the incubator and no growth. I moved it to a closet with my other sterilized jars. Today I noticed mycelium and grabbed it to find that it also had a small patch of mold directly inline with the inoculation hole indicating I introduced contamination spores VIA Innoc. This is the only jar I know of that has been contaminated so far and for some reason the mycelium took FOR EVER to take off, so long I convinced myself it was forgotten about. I believe the mold spores, present at the inital birth of the spores had been fighting with the mushrooms spores all along, for a "spot" to live, and just happened to have won that time. I could (probably am) wrong on that but I don't believe in coincidence either so I need some kind of explanation there before putting that one to sleep.

I saved the jar and will be taking temps on it as well, as at the very least it's a grand opportunity to compare temps to a jar that is 100% guaranteed contaminated, offering insight into any possible fluctuations attributed to contam's.

Will keep ya posted, thanks again.

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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: cronicr]
    #24886573 - 01/03/18 02:27 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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The problem is your thread title without evidence




Nope, honestly and no offense sir, but problem is you guys can't just chill the fuck out and wait for it, which is the reason I started a progress thread....if you're not interested in where my experiment goes then just don't come back...and that's you're problem, not mine, please don't pull me into your personal struggles, Thank you.
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The problem is your thread title without evidence




Nope, honestly and no offense, sir but problem is everyone needs to just chill the fuck out and wait for it, which is the reason I started a progress thread....if you're not interested in where my experiement goes then just don't come back...and that's you're problem, not mine, please don't pull me into your personal struggles. I'm here to test something that hasn't been done so yes, it's going to be questioned and ripped apart, doesn't mean it is without legitimacy. 



Personel struggles...lol a laughable statement at best.
Good luck with your cake cartel adventures young one i wish you the best. It has been done:smirk:




Not here to entertain you but I'm glad you could squeeze a laugh in come back when you're serious mate, and thank you...btw: don't let that little subtitle under your avatar get to your head too much, no one is ever "trusted"  :thumbup:

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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: JHOVA]
    #24886625 - 01/03/18 03:22 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

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The problem is your thread title without evidence




Nope, honestly and no offense sir, but problem is you guys can't just chill the fuck out and wait for it, which is the reason I started a progress thread....if you're not interested in where my experiment goes then just don't come back...and that's you're problem, not mine, please don't pull me into your personal struggles, Thank you.
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Hence why hygrometers are useless




Hold up, I just caught this....If this is true then why all the hype about not using spray bottles or if you are to avoid hitting the cake directly with water and to just mist around it?  I honestly thought it always thought it seemed "superstitious" but I all I had was an opinion, still don't know shit* but I'm learning and I'm close to to having to make these decisions too so I definitely appreciate solid input.


*this is for the negative posters that I've been reeling in not you bro:......

Yes I'm new, I established that and can admit to this fact with no shame, we all start somewhere....I really don't know shit, I don't know if any of us ever do, either way so whether you think you do or don't, just treat me with respect while I learn. I'm here for a reason and so are you, lets not push each other away for that very reason, that were here to bounce ideas of each other.... If you don't like my idea(s) you don't have to just watch your words while finding a way to tell me so.

I'm not here to please anyone just show you what is seeming to work well for me, it's and experiment, it's up in the air, the results are not in, so ya relax they will be I've got my camera and I'm logging carefully so please don't try to get me to "just do it the right way" and throw my work away. I've spent years researching and lurking the web watching people do this, now it's my turn.

I know for sure, (hypothetically speaking, even if this is the most successful grow on here) that I won't use my experience against someone else coming into the scene eager to learn and share their experience. I came in without a chip on my shoulder, yes I came in proposing  that I've got a "better" way to do something....but that is all subjective. Maybe you like using a substrate that takes longer to colonize for some reason, I don't fucking know, I don't care...My point is I don't and I found a way to speed up the process.

My claims are based off of two controlled grows, 12 jars each where I compared results while their conditions were identical. Every single brf/popcorn/coffee jar out did the PF jars...EVERY time by over a week...that's a week sooner for me and that matters TO ME....What matters to you is your choice, if you're interested like I said let me know, ask me something, what ever...just don't tell me I can't do something this way...I don't believe in wrong ways and right ways and I don't care if you do.

I'm running my experiment again to show both myself and the community that this tek can be improved on with an open mind. I'm doing it this time with the right equipment to record and compare results the whole way through and really take a scientific approach at it with numbers. I'm taking this approach because I too am skeptical but I'm also logical and open minded and watching two grows was enough to suggest I was on to something when both proved the same results.

I admit it's not conclusive, not to sound redundant but again nothing ever is, so if you think I'm wrong....well YOU prove ME wrong and run your own experiment showing me so....then I will back down and admit I was in the wrong...until you do that I'm going to keep stirring shit up, I promise you that.



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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: lostindirection]
    #24886700 - 01/03/18 04:55 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

your recipe for the cakes interest me


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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: Cakewonder]
    #24886771 - 01/03/18 06:16 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Not trying to be rude, but all of your results are bunk. You used multispore. There's millions of genetics within your jars. To be able to compare subs you would have to use a known isolate and clone it. If you did this exact same test 1000 times you might be able to convince some people. But genetics area still a factor. Also, proof is in the mushies, not the jars.


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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: ChickenFarmer]
    #24886779 - 01/03/18 06:25 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Nobody cares about vague statements and proclomations. You are thin skinned person that takes criticism poorly. If you changed that you could see real growth being around a community of extremely well versed folks. Humility goes a long way. Peace.


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