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lostindirection
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Simple but crucial tweaks to PF
#24882414 - 01/01/18 12:23 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Hey guys, first thanks for bringing me to where I am today...couldn't be here without you guys and your knowledge. I'm here today to share mine.
I've been experimenting around with the PF-tek a a lot with some really good results.
First thing I did was switch out plain old regular strength black coffee instead of H20 for hydrating the jars.
2nd important thing I did was instead of using 2c verm: 1c BRF: 1c H2O..... I used 2C Vermiculite, 3/4 Cups BRF, 1/4 Cup ground popcorn kernels, 1 cup coffee, and 1 Tablespoon spent coffee grounds ( it's important to used spent coffee grounds as they already hold the perfect water content).
I stopped wasting my time with filter's in the center of the jar and polyfill. All that did was introduce contam's. When I stopped with the pollyfill the contams stopped and my colonization time still remained the same! I can't believe people still use that stuff! I've tried probably almost 50 jars each to prove it to myself. You'll notice in my pics I've got some jars with center drilled holes and micropore tape over them, because I still had a hard time believing those four tiny holes provided enough air.....but they do folks...the proof is right their in my face. Below you'll see two jars one on left is my version of the Pf-tek and the one on the right is the regular pf tek, same strain, same start date....
I've also been experimenting with LC's using different concentrations grain/sugar residue with great results.Those pics and teks will come next.





Edited by lostindirection (01/01/18 01:55 AM)
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lostindirection
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lostindirection
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Could anyone give me some pointers on posting the urls to my pics, for some reason mine seem to be duds?....**** Never mind my dumb ass figured it out lol.
So about my set up I used a cooler with an fully adjustable (1 to 8) heat-pad taped to the top (tried underneath it but it dried out the jars and slowed down colonization). I'm a control freak so I've got 3 different thermometers one on the bottom one on top of the jars and one that is used in hospitals with disposable sleeve which I glued inside of a jar that I didn't inoculate, so I could get the actual reading inside of the jars rather than the ambient air temp.....I know maybe a little overkill but I find that keeping the jars at 87 is perfect and they absolutely thrive, and this cooler is awesomely insulated and easy to maintain that.
Edited by lostindirection (01/01/18 02:02 AM)
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Ziran
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there are so many things your doing wrong in those pictures i dont wanna even say. XD
upside down jars is no bueno. defeats the point if a dry verm layer.
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lostindirection
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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: Ziran]
#24882498 - 01/01/18 02:07 AM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Thanks for the "friendly" advice and biting your lip when it was so hard to ....sarcasm aside, ya I'm new to this bud so give me a break maybe? And as far as the the jars upside down, well, I thought about it being a bad idea as well, but I figured what the hell...can't learn anything if you're too afraid to try anything....right?
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lostindirection
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btw 30+ jars and 0 contams one week in kinda speaks for it self....
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Ziran
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lostindirection said: Thanks for the "friendly" advice and biting your lip when it was so hard to ....sarcasm aside, ya I'm new to this bud so give me a break maybe? And as far as the the jars upside down, well, I thought about it being a bad idea as well, but I figured what the hell...can't learn anything if you're too afraid to try anything....right?
thats fair. whats up with the thermometer rtv siliconed to one of the jars?
check out my updated pftek guide in my sig. good info I wrote a while back 
not trying to be rude. Just want to help ya grow a bunch of mushies using the pf tek.
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lostindirection said: btw 30+ jars and 0 contams one week in kinda speaks for it self....
show me the mushrooms. And I will change my ways.
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lostindirection
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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: Ziran]
#24882606 - 01/01/18 05:44 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ziran said:
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lostindirection said: Thanks for the "friendly" advice and biting your lip when it was so hard to ....sarcasm aside, ya I'm new to this bud so give me a break maybe? And as far as the the jars upside down, well, I thought about it being a bad idea as well, but I figured what the hell...can't learn anything if you're too afraid to try anything....right?
thats fair. whats up with the thermometer rtv siliconed to one of the jars?
check out my updated pftek guide in my sig. good info I wrote a while back 
not trying to be rude. Just want to help ya grow a bunch of mushies using the pf tek.
That jar you're referring to has a "protective thermometer probe sleeve" silicone down the center, so that I can take a reading of the actual temperature on the inside of the jars as it doesn't exactly parallel the air temp.
The sleeve is sealed in there so I can consistently take readings with out worrying about a pulling a thermometer in and out of a jar exposing BRF each time....actually a pretty ingenious idea if you ask me. I'm all about exact numbers I wanna know how the air temp correlates with the mycelium temp and how much the temp raises as the mycelium continues to grow.....Like I said this is all about experimenting for me so I can learn...I could just mindlessly follow a tek but I'd rather play around with science 
I'm always open to helpful tips and tricks, but comments saying nothing more then "can't even tell ya how much you're doing wrong" kinda rub me wrong bro...it offers no help or insight into any kind of solutions or suggestions, that's all. It's all good though.
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What monstrosity of a fc will you be using?
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MrRabbit-HMR
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No better way to learn than to get stuck in at the deep end! Kudos to you.
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I'm always open to helpful tips and tricks, but comments saying nothing more then "can't even tell ya how much you're doing wrong" kinda rub me wrong bro...it offers no help or insight into any kind of solutions or suggestions, that's all. It's all good though.
No need to tape the holes on the jars. The dry verm layer acts as a filter, that's why you have it there.
It seems like the photo with the temperature probe in it has silicone injection ports... How is the mycelium expected to breath when it's totally sealed up? tap some new holes in the lid.
What's in the jar of with the blue silicone lid?
You'll probably find that the inside temp will be a few degrees higher than the outside temperature.
Why did you decide to use popcorn kernals, and ground popcorn kernals at that? Popcorn isn't really the best thing to do when growing bulk, but am interested to see what going to happen with your expriment(s).
Adding that much coffee and coffee grounds will mean a lot of extra nitrogen. I'd be interested to see what happens when birthed.
Doing side by side "comparisons" of a multi-spore BRF cake isn't really conclusive of anything. I have 20 or so jars going at the moment using just grain, some are 50% colonized, some are 10%. The substrate has remained the same.
Try not to get blind-sighted with substrate/cake recipes until you have an isolate or minimum a clone to test from...
Great effort though, keep us all posted with your progress...
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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: SimpleFarmer]
#24882612 - 01/01/18 06:06 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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SimpleFarmer said: What monstrosity of a fc will you be using?
HA!
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itszeorangesoda
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I would of added some lime and gypsum imo. Be careful of the coffee i have noticed it contaminates easier than standard brf cakes.
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MrRabbit-HMR
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Adding coffee grounds, lime, adjusting PH levels etc is best kept for bulk grows IMO.
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Be careful of the coffee i have noticed it contaminates easier than standard brf cakes.
... yeah, that's what I would have predicted.
Cakes work because coir, verm and brown rice flour is their given quantities is very contam resistant.
Keep cakes simple. If you want to start experimenting, graduate to agar, trays and or shoeboxes.
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I´m pretty sure that you by this point already know what has made the PF Tek so successful? It is the short wide mouth 1/2 pint jars that give a fast colonization and allow the mycelium to "outrun" the contams. BRF has a low spore count anyway so is much easier to sterilize than grain. With that said, adding coffee and popcorn only enables to contams to have a better chance of setting in. BUT... Since you mention that you have had very good success doing this I look forward to seeing the results of this
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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: Mateja]
#24882744 - 01/01/18 08:54 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Pf modifications+incubators+lc experiments=
Seriously OP, listen to ziarn especially and you will have shrooms. Or dont and fail but at least thats predictable and comfortable if it happens.
30+ jars in week means nothing. Like blockbuster video being open. Who cares?
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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: mushboy]
#24882782 - 01/01/18 09:20 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Sounds cool! I deff wanna see what happens please share the end result lol try not to forget !!
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Re: Simple but crucial tweaks to PF [Re: Bizziness]
#24882930 - 01/01/18 11:06 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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I don't understand the need for all the negative comments and predictions upon my so called failure....This project is going great so far and I appreciate all the positive vibes from the others I will defitinetley keep daily photos once in my "hideous fruiting chamber" 
for the record the jar with the thermometer probe sealed off isn't inoculated I used it as a comparison for the one that is....
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This is some retarded noob shit. Learn to grow the right way before you do your own thing.
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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.
These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.
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