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How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing?
    #24876160 - 12/29/17 01:56 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

The only way I can make a large amount of bulk substrate is the very tedious method of pasteurizing it, submerged in a pillowcase. Then I take out the pillowcase bulk and place a big 45lb olympic weightlifting plate on top to press out the moisture. I even stand on the plate and move around to help it press out as much moisture as possible, but even after all that, when it stops leaking, there's still a decent amount of moisture that can be squeezed out of handful amounts of bulk by hand. I haven't tried spawning to non-hand squeezed bulk substrate yet, so it's possible it could work, but everyone says excess moisture is a big cause for contamination. And even with hand squeezed bulk in foil covered trays, there's usually significant condensation that falls back on the surface and inhibits full colonization (more so with non Cubensis species like Panaeolus Cyanescens). I also haven't tried a full sized monotub yet, so this could also be something to look into for my problem.

I know some people like to hydrate dry bulk substrate, then pasteurize in foil covered jars like in RR's video, but it isn't the same as submerging it then squeezing it by hand due to moisture loss from evaporation. That, and there's always dry spots, even if it seems like there isn't. And it's a lot of work for such a small amount of bulk substrate even for someone who's relatively small time and only grows for personal use.

I did a search on this and the one relevant result wasn't much help.

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Plater 1]
    #24876165 - 12/29/17 02:00 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)



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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Plater 1]
    #24876170 - 12/29/17 02:04 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Switch to monos and use the coir bucket tek.
Then its just a matter of doing the math

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Plater 1]
    #24876244 - 12/29/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Are you using coco or poop?

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Atlantis Reaction]
    #24876308 - 12/29/17 03:21 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Sometimes I use 50/50 coir/vermiculite with some gypsum, sometimes I use stonesun's all purpose mix of 50/30/15/5 horse manure, coir, vermiculite, and gypsum. Results are the same in terms of how I try to get field capacity.

I might try hamloaf's tek above, but modified for Beats Peat with the same weight/ingredient ratio. This is only because Beats Peat is significantly cheaper. I know Eco Earth and Beats Peat coir have a different consistency/texture (Eco Earth is more fibrous), but I assume they'll be as dry as possible for efficiency reasons. Don't know about their moisture retention properties. Hopefully it works out.

My only concern is that it's not "proper" pasteurization, but hey, everyone has success with this method and similar ones.

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Plater 1]
    #24876405 - 12/29/17 04:03 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Only issue with the tek you may have is seedlings sprouting up in your coir, but you wont have any "contams" so to speak.

coir and grain is really all you need and it keeps the math easy.

PS the seedlings dont seem to bother the myc

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Atlantis Reaction]
    #24876418 - 12/29/17 04:09 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Seedlings cause no problem at all, a TC told me to leave mine in my tub pretty much....


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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Plater 1]
    #24876425 - 12/29/17 04:12 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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Sometimes I use 50/50 coir/vermiculite




1 coco brick. 4 quarts boiling water. dump boiling water over coco brick in a closable vessel. painters buckets are 5$.
perfect. id skip the shit next time. unless you are doing pans or something and you dont feel like trying it on solo coco

thats it. all the pillow tekking stuff is such a pain in the ass and a lame way to pasteurize anyway.
loaded into jars. used a thermometer and boil the jars pf style for an hour at 160f.

when i did pillow tek a billion years ago it was the biggest pita and yes.. rather hard to get the field capacity.

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: mushboy]
    #24876542 - 12/29/17 05:05 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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Sometimes I use 50/50 coir/vermiculite




1 coco brick. 4 quarts boiling water. dump boiling water over coco brick in a closable vessel. painters buckets are 5$.
perfect. id skip the shit next time. unless you are doing pans or something and you dont feel like trying it on solo coco

thats it. all the pillow tekking stuff is such a pain in the ass and a lame way to pasteurize anyway.
loaded into jars. used a thermometer and boil the jars pf style for an hour at 160f.

when i did pillow tek a billion years ago it was the biggest pita and yes.. rather hard to get the field capacity.



Yup, this. Coir is like 3 bucks a brick. Shit comes out perfect, don't even squeeze at all

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: mushboy]
    #24876672 - 12/29/17 05:55 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Thanks for the tips, guys. I just did some research and found out Petsmart (hopefully)sells Eco Earth coco for cheaper than I can get Beats Peat coco($4.50 for a 3 brick pack). Saved me some money and math problems. Though if anyone knows where to get it cheaper, even in bulk, that would be great too.

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Plater 1]
    #24876685 - 12/29/17 05:59 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Plater 1]
    #24876688 - 12/29/17 06:00 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Thats about as cheap as you will get it, You might try a garden center. They maybe able to get you an off brand for less then a dollar a brick but I doubt it'll be enough to worry about.
Eco earth is worth the exrat 25 cents a brick imo

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Atlantis Reaction]
    #24876697 - 12/29/17 06:03 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

^^^. This is incorrect.  Coir can be sourced for half the price that it's sold at pet stores online.  OP has been private messaged the link to the source.


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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24876731 - 12/29/17 06:19 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

if you do buy from a petstore online. you can get it at a good price. but make sure you get it with free shipping. but what i do is wait until they have the 20-30% off deals. then it can be a very good price plus free shipping.i ended up getting 3 packs for about 2$ each. and i buy a bunch when the deal happens so that it will last until the next deal comes along. just keep your eyes peeled online for those deals. i still have about 10 3 pack bricks from buying it 2 years ago lol


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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: eatyualive]
    #24876833 - 12/29/17 06:57 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

wtf, I just went to Petsmart and the 3 brick packs were $10, not $4.54 like it said online. Fuck that, I'm ordering online.

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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: Plater 1]
    #24876842 - 12/29/17 06:59 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

then you pay shipping.


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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: eatyualive]
    #24876843 - 12/29/17 07:00 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Nah, it's free shipping on orders over 19$


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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24876846 - 12/29/17 07:01 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

not if hes ordering 1 brick is what i mean.


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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: eatyualive]
    #24876858 - 12/29/17 07:03 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

Why would anyone order one brick when you can get 12 for 20$ delivered to your door?  :shrug:


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Re: How do I make large amounts of field capacity bulk substrate without tedious hand squeezing? [Re: hamloaf]
    #24876881 - 12/29/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 19 days ago)

can you pm me that link or post it here please.


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