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Shroomer6sn7s
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cake not pinning...HELP
#24875919 - 12/29/17 11:16 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Birthed my cake about six days ago dunked for 24 hrs then rolled in verm and put it in my FC. I was using a myco bag with a micron filter at the top as fc but heard it can be really difficult in bags and also would not exceed 80% humidity. So just last night i built a poor mans fc with a gallon size milk jug and put perilite in it. Is there something im missing was misting n fanning about 5 times a day in the myco bag but the cake always seemed dry when id look at it plz what should i do...?
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Patience.My last cakes took 11 days to pin.
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Evaporation off the cakes is a key process that creates conditions for pins to start forming, if you mist the cakes 5 times a day then how are they gonna be able to evaporate off moisture if they are always wet? Cakes need to go from glistening to almost dry, and then you mist them again until glistening and you DO NOT mist them again until they start to dry off the glistening moisture.
And "fanning" is really old and pointless information and no one "fans" their fruiting chamber EVER.
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
#24875973 - 12/29/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Oh damn ok thank you for telling me shit id be fanning the whole time lol the mycelium looks really healthy too guess im expecting too much rn i will be patient with it thank u for the info guys.
Edited by Shroomer6sn7s (12/29/17 11:51 AM)
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Mushrooms are like yourself, you don´t drink water on fixed schedule, you drink when you´re thirsty otherwise you would get tummy ache if you drank water constantly when you did´t need to GL
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
#24875991 - 12/29/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Ya that makes sense man thanks bro I'll need it lol
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Remember no question are stupid when you are just starting out, if you feel too embarrassed to ask on the boards just shoot me a PM. Peace
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
#24876014 - 12/29/17 12:18 PM (7 years, 19 days ago) |
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Awesome man will do I'll definitely keep u posted bro im a try n get a mini SGFC going but $$ low rn hence the poor man chamber
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Amazing! Guys from just overnight till now the bumps (knots) on the cake in the PMFC lol started to form stringy mycelium again i think they may start pinning soon!
Edited by Shroomer6sn7s (12/29/17 02:31 PM)
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I got 2 pins!!! So excited should i continue my misting and just mist when needed when the cake looks like its drying?
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Congrats. Yep mist it when it's drying out, and light fan after
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This was me 7 days ago. Now I have 2 fruits in my dehydrator and like 10 pins haha congrats
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Edited by Bizziness (12/30/17 05:09 PM)
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Bizziness]
#24879212 - 12/30/17 05:17 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Hell ya i can finally see the fruits of my labor lol. And thats awesome hope in for more pins. I'll post some pin porn when they start growin oit a little more lol
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Ok one more question guys...should the inside of the sgfc when i open it should it feel warm and humid inside?
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Shroomer6sn7s said: Ok one more question guys...should the inside of the sgfc when i open it should it feel warm and humid inside?
I use a hydrometer and a thermometer. Humidity between 80 and 100% And temperature between 70 and 85.
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Bizziness]
#24885728 - 01/02/18 06:41 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Humidity doesn't really feel warm in the low 70's. With my sgfc, I can feel it if I breath the air in, but not really with my hands. Just make sure you're away from the walls. I made that mistake and the cakes near the walls are hardly fruiting.
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Bizziness]
#24885730 - 01/02/18 06:43 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Shroomer6sn7s said: Ok one more question guys...should the inside of the sgfc when i open it should it feel warm and humid inside?
I use a hydrometer and a thermometer. Humidity between 80 and 100% And temperature between 70 and 85.
Doesn't 85 open yourself up to the nastys? I've been no lower than 69, no higher than 76 and everything has been great.
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Bizziness]
#24885810 - 01/02/18 07:14 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Shroomer6sn7s said: Ok one more question guys...should the inside of the sgfc when i open it should it feel warm and humid inside?
I use a hydrometer and a thermometer. Humidity between 80 and 100% And temperature between 70 and 85.
You cant really use a hygrometer to get an accurate reading inside a SGFC, at perlite level will be around 100% and above perlite will be somewhere between 50-80% and it will fluctuate also during the day and from day to day just as your RH in your grow area will fluctuate from hour to hour and from day to day. Thats why it´s a better Idea to keep the hygrometer in your grow area instead of the FC. A hygrometer inside the FC will only cause stress and provoke the wrong decisions. Keep an eye on the cakes and not the hygrometer. Closer to the walls will be lower humidity than at the center of the FC. In fact, every spot inside the SGFC will probably give you different readings. The best is to focus on keeping the perlite moist and the SGFC will do it´s job. GL
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
#24885842 - 01/02/18 07:28 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Ya i feel ya guys trying not to worry too much. Im definitely gunna not relie on that hydrometer. I do have it close to a wall unfortunately but several inches away from it also i do have my fc in a small closet but try n keep the door open as much as possible and fan a bit after mistings. Here are sum pics thnx again guys really helpful sorry for the pic quality my camera sucks lol
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If you monitor the RH in your grow area then you will know better when the FC needs more attention and when it need less attention 
Also what you can do to test how accurate your reptile hygrometer is (which they don´t stay accurate for long) take a plastic crew top from a coke bottle or whatever, fill it with salt and fill it with water so that the cap contains completely saturated salt. simply place inside a lunch box that keeps totally sealed and place the hygrometer next to the salt and seal. Come back after a few hours and read. It should read exactly 75%. If it reads for example 65% then that´s your TRUE 75% so always add 10%. If it reads 79% in the FC then it means that it´s really 89% and so on. But it will only confuse you inside the FC like I said it´s better to know the RH in the room because RH inside the FC will also be affected by the RH in your grow area.
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Edited by Mateja (01/02/18 07:45 PM)
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
#24885927 - 01/02/18 07:55 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Hey man i will do that i took it out of the fc my area stays around 30 or so %.
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Okay!! So looks like I'll be harvesting my first flush soon perhaps a day or 2.. So a couple things i noticed is the bruising at the bases and sum on top as u will see from my pics could this be from over saturation or under? And 2 tiny pins popped from the top of the cake but havent really grown are these size fruits normal for pf cakes? And i did calibrate the meter was showing 70% as 100% go figure.. Could over humidity or over saturation damage cakes too just like under saturation? And thank alot guys yall have been very helpful.
P.s for second flush dunk is it for 12 or 24?
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Bizziness]
#24887784 - 01/03/18 04:13 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Hey bro how did u get such a heavy pinset?
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here is water absorption test for BRF cakes https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24739690
So your hygrometer shows 70% at saturation levels? did you wrap it in a towel or did you use the salt to calibrate?
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
#24887849 - 01/03/18 04:53 PM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Ya man it was reading 70 i wrapped it in a damp paper towel and calibrated it to show correct rh
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Sometimes myclium bruises and you can´t do much about it. Cakes have a huge surface area compared to the moisture they hold so they can easily bruise if they dry out too quick. Focus on watching the cakes more than the hygrometer. Better yet, just watch the cakes
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
#24889351 - 01/04/18 10:08 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yellowish i thought metabolites but im not sure will this be bad for second flush if it is metabolites? I hope not contam! Should i start the cake with the day cycle or give it dark or does it matter?
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You should never keep a live culture in the dark, they need the light to stay healthy.
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
#24889492 - 01/04/18 11:10 AM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Ok good deal what about that spot on the cake contam?
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If your SGFC is built to spec, you don't need to fan. There's plenty of air flow for evaporation.
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Its hard to see just let them be and if it´s a contam it will be clearly visible in a day or two.
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
#24890398 - 01/04/18 05:59 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Mateah said: Its hard to see just let them be and if it´s a contam it will be clearly visible in a day or two.
Sweet I'll keep a close eye on it tho im about to take another cake out of dunk tonight snd put in fc...
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Chief_Slapaho said: If your SGFC is built to spec, you don't need to fan. There's plenty of air flow for evaporation.
I have mine in a closet and need to keep the door closed for sometimes but do open it for sometimes too i do fan but lightly and not long either just to refresh the air in the closet.
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Fanning is really pointless unless you´re doing it a few times per hour all day and night. But if it gives you piece of mind then by all means keep doing it
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
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Dont kno if anyone is still looking at this post but would anyone kno what would cuz the base of the mushroom to bulge? I dont kno if im misting to much into the fruiting stage... My hygrometer usually reads at 100% pretty much all the time is over humidity even an issue??(sgfc)
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Shroomer6sn7s said: Dont kno if anyone is still looking at this post but would anyone kno what would cuz the base of the mushroom to bulge? I dont kno if im misting to much into the fruiting stage... My hygrometer usually reads at 100% pretty much all the time is over humidity even an issue??(sgfc)
Still no pinning? It's not impossible, but 2 weeks is a long time. I looked back through my myc journal and none of the cakes from my grows have taken that long to pin from full colonisation to first flush. So unless you birthed them too early...
A couple things:
1) You said it's in the closet. And somebody told you that if the SGFC is to spec, you don't need to fan. Putting the SGFC in the closet is NOT to spec. RR is the one who designed it and he has said over and over again that it's designed to be in the middle of a normal room. Use the search function and specify posts by RogerRabbit with the search terms 'closet' and 'SGFC'. You'll learn a lot. Closet grows are doable and there are lots of teks for that, but it's not going to go optimally with a SGFC. If you really need the closet, I'd go with sclerotia, using stonesun's tek. But you're gonna need a PC for that.
2) Most people around here say you don't need the hygrometer if you've made the SGFC to spec and that they don't work anyway. That's been my experience as well. Before I threw it out because it got waterlogged, my hygrometer was all over the place; you never knew what that thing was going to read. But cakes were often fine when the hygrometer was low. So it's probably just confusing you. I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
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Shroomer6sn7s said: Dont kno if anyone is still looking at this post but would anyone kno what would cuz the base of the mushroom to bulge? I dont kno if im misting to much into the fruiting stage... My hygrometer usually reads at 100% pretty much all the time is over humidity even an issue??(sgfc)
Still no pinning? It's not impossible, but 2 weeks is a long time. I looked back through my myc journal and none of the cakes from my grows have taken that long to pin from full colonisation to first flush. So unless you birthed them too early...
A couple things:
1) You said it's in the closet. And somebody told you that if the SGFC is to spec, you don't need to fan. Putting the SGFC in the closet is NOT to spec. RR is the one who designed it and he has said over and over again that it's designed to be in the middle of a normal room. Use the search function and specify posts by RogerRabbit with the search terms 'closet' and 'SGFC'. You'll learn a lot. Closet grows are doable and there are lots of teks for that, but it's not going to go optimally with a SGFC. If you really need the closet, I'd go with sclerotia, using stonesun's tek. But you're gonna need a PC for that.
2) Most people around here say you don't need the hygrometer if you've made the SGFC to spec and that they don't work anyway. That's been my experience as well. Before I threw it out because it got waterlogged, my hygrometer was all over the place; you never knew what that thing was going to read. But cakes were often fine when the hygrometer was low. So it's probably just confusing you. I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
Hey bro i got the pinning down i just fear i my be over misting in the fruiting stage. Should i chill with the misting once the fruits start growing? The base to sum of them not all is like fat or bulgey i dont kno if this is due to too much water...what should the misting cycle be during fruit stage.
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Only mist when and if the substrate is drying out.
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Cool thnx brotha!
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So I have 3 pesa cakes fruiting at 3 weeks, so hope is not lost. I'm pretty sure I waterlogged them and then let them dry. Fruit looks like it's going to me fewer and smaller.
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: RockyB]
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RockyB said: So I have 3 pesa cakes fruiting at 3 weeks, so hope is not lost. I'm pretty sure I waterlogged them and then let them dry. Fruit looks like it's going to me fewer and smaller.
Damn i feel for ya man i had heard somewhere that the base of the mushroom will bulge if its alittle waterlogged. So i chilled abit on the misting and yhey seemed to have strenched up since then...but it seems like when i mist my cakes with mushies on it its actually hard to mist the cake itself without over misting the mushies. Whats ur temps and rh been at homie?
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Shroomer6sn7s said: The base to sum of them not all is like fat or bulgey i dont kno if this is due to too much water...what should the misting cycle be during fruit stage.
As long as you're giving it sufficient FAE, I think fat vs. skinny stems are mostly a function of the specific genetics of the strain (not 'strain') combined with how the myc has decided to reproduce, given the particulars of its growing situation at the time. That's hard to control.
But the fat mushrooms usually get really big. They look cool and are high volume.
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Ah ok i thought it had something to do with genetics. Sincethe picture bro they've takin tf off its so amazing.
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RockyB said: So I have 3 pesa cakes fruiting at 3 weeks, so hope is not lost. I'm pretty sure I waterlogged them and then let them dry. Fruit looks like it's going to me fewer and smaller.
Damn i feel for ya man i had heard somewhere that the base of the mushroom will bulge if its alittle waterlogged. So i chilled abit on the misting and yhey seemed to have strenched up since then...but it seems like when i mist my cakes with mushies on it its actually hard to mist the cake itself without over misting the mushies. Whats ur temps and rh been at homie?
Rh is always above 85, usually 90-95. Temp hovers between 71-75.
So I think genetics def plays a huge role, but I think growing conditions play an enormous role in the expression of those genetics. It explains why second flushes can be so different. You could have the best genetics and if you drown it, it won't fruit, put it in 100 degrees you'll kill it.
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: RockyB]
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Ya i feel ya man ive been having sum great first flushes... Heard u get even more 2nd flush but i guess that would be genetics also? Hope my 2nd flush be good.
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Yeah, I'm not sure if this is common or not, but I've been getting fruit 2 or 3 times the size but significantly fewer #'s. By weight the second flush has been just a little less than the first, but big ol suckers.
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: RockyB]
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RockyB said: Yeah, I'm not sure if this is common or not, but I've been getting fruit 2 or 3 times the size but significantly fewer #'s. By weight the second flush has been just a little less than the first, but big ol suckers.
Not uncommon.
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Ok i dont kno whats going on but my cakes after 1st flush are turning no good. They take on i guess this like sour apple smell i guess is what it is but i have not gotten to a second flush on any of my cakes. i spawned one to the last of my bulk sub and isolated another in its own fc. I dont kno why i cant get to a second flush without my cakes takin on a funky kinda smell...
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I can't seem to get to 3, I was thinking it's too long of a dunk? It gets waterlogged and bacterial maybe?
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: RockyB]
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RockyB said: I can't seem to get to 3, I was thinking it's too long of a dunk? It gets waterlogged and bacterial maybe?
Ya that sounds like it! After i take it out of dunking... I was thinking that or my verm that im casing my cakes with. But almost always after i take it out of a dunk...
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If you get a very good first flush then you can´t expect the coming flushes to be significant. Also if you only harvested a few small fruits on first flush then you can of course expect another flush and one that will be decent as well. So it´s not about getting multiple flushes it´s about harvesting as much as possible. Doing it over one flush is more effective then the same wet weight over 3 flushes imo. When the -30g of BRF are spent there is not much food to support many fruits after that
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
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Mateah said: If you get a very good first flush then you can´t expect the coming flushes to be significant. Also if you only harvested a few small fruits on first flush then you can of course expect another flush and one that will be decent as well. So it´s not about getting multiple flushes it´s about harvesting as much as possible. Doing it over one flush is more effective then the same wet weight over 3 flushes imo. When the -30g of BRF are spent there is not much food to support many fruits after that 
Ya i can see what u mean brotha... I guess is there anyway u can get ur cake is spent besides it just not fruiting ive noticed mine seem to start getting metabolites ( yellowish looking spots)...
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Shroomer6sn7s
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 Hey guys does this look ok to put with the rest of my fruiting stuff in the same fc. Bits of yellowish spots one with a mushroom growing out of it mushrooms has white haze stuff on it but not discolored in any way seems sum spots have a white fuzz.. My cake does have fuzzy feet... Would the mushy be ok to eat also?
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Go ahead and put it in the same FC it doesn´t look like anything bad, and if your cake is slightly bacterial I would still go ahead and fruit in the same fruiting chamber. Bacteria doesnt jump from cake to cake
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Re: cake not pinning...HELP [Re: Mateja]
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Mateah said: Go ahead and put it in the same FC it doesn´t look like anything bad, and if your cake is slightly bacterial I would still go ahead and fruit in the same fruiting chamber. Bacteria doesnt jump from cake to cake

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