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debate about open air fruiting being vector
#24872914 - 12/28/17 08:24 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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more open air fruiting adventures..

Open-air spawning and monotubs are vectors for contamination by violet
and im the one whos intellectually dishonest?
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Intentionally committed fallacies in debates and reasoning are called intellectual dishonesty.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/viewratings.php?type=1&usernum=143084
anybody got anything to add to this debate?
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 3
#24872924 - 12/28/17 08:28 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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The journal post is about uncolonized substrate, not colonized substrate fruiting. All fruiting other than invitro is 'open-air' in those regards, as exposure to contaminant spores no longer matters after colonization.
Are you a yoga teacher because wow what a stretch
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy]
#24872926 - 12/28/17 08:28 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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for the record..
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Violet said: Do you understand the word vector? It literally means a means by which contaminant spores are able to reach uncolonized substrate. So yeah.
Wow, you really took that to heart huh? Good. But to the point of this? Sad.
What was even the relevance here? Trying to force open-air fruiting and open-air spawning to mean the same thing is a pretty damn good example of the intellectual dishonesty I was talking about, so you keep on making my case.
For the record, TMH was correct, this is exactly what I mean by that journal post which you clearly and hilariously dug through after our conflict that you clearly and hilariously are now going to push into a bunch of random threads like this one lol
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TheMadHatter420 said: Your NOT going to get a "Sterile" grow. The only way to come close is an in-vitro grow without ever opening container. The fact that you inoculated those open air, well there IS SOME LEVEL of contamination in there, so those prints will be coming from a contaminated grow. Your going to be starting with a contaminated print because it will be grown on a contaminated grow because YOU CONTAMINATED IT by open air inoculation. Just because you have not seen signs of contaminations does not mean it isn't in there. When inoculating open air, you at least got bacteria spores, if not mold spores, in there from the air. :
what!?
open air FRUITING, not inoculation. your title is about open air and monotubs being vectors which is misleading, false and a flat out lie in my opinion.
wow. and yes. i am going to dig through every thing you have ever posted and disprove your nonsense. i look forward to the debate.
not that ill be the first.
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: Violet]
#24872929 - 12/28/17 08:30 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Violet said: The journal post is about uncolonized substrate, not colonized substrate fruiting. All fruiting other than invitro is 'open-air' in those regards, as exposure to contaminant spores no longer matters after colonization.
nope. the title is.
Open-air spawning and monotubs are vectors for contamination
explain your stance. i am not name calling. this is not flaming. no assumptions. just debate over whats presented.
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 1
#24872934 - 12/28/17 08:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm pretty sure violet means open air spawn run. Not inoculation or fruiting...
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: tryptkaloids]
#24872937 - 12/28/17 08:33 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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so do i. its the same shit. thats spitting hairs anyway. whos monos are AIR TIGHT during colonization. the exposure to air the present. with all the microbes of the world.
ill post a video of an open air spawn run or whatever if i must. i fruit at spawning, open air. mister in hand.
its not a mold vector. thats childish kids stuff.
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 2
#24872939 - 12/28/17 08:33 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I already did. Open-air inoculation is a vector for contamination. Vector meaning a way that mold spores can get to uncolonized substrate. That's it, that's all.
Your mistake is in the title of this thread. Your lame tryhard attempt at a petty call-out thread is under the incredibly mistaken impression that it has anything to do with OPEN AIR FRUITING which it absolutely does not, obviously.
If you read the thread without a strooooong desire... an intellectually dishonest one... to find a way to slander me it'd be pretty evident to you that I'm referring to the ability for mold spores to reach uncolonized substrate. Which hopefully/ideally/usually for people isn't especially relevant. Which is why I have a small seldom-used journal post as an aside for it. A post that your immense butthurt is inspiring you to dig up and horrendously misrepresent lol
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: Violet]
#24872942 - 12/28/17 08:34 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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no ones talking about inoculation. stop derailing. and no shit. who open air inoculates??
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 3
#24872945 - 12/28/17 08:36 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: eatyualive] 1
#24872947 - 12/28/17 08:37 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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thats nonsense eat. this is a thread about debate. stay on topic or go somewhere else.
again. thats not flaming or trolling anyone so please. stay on topic.
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 3
#24872951 - 12/28/17 08:38 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 2
#24872952 - 12/28/17 08:38 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: no ones talking about inoculation. stop derailing. and no shit. who open air inoculates??
Yeah, THE DAMN JOURNAL POST YOU LINKED TO MAKE THIS THREAD ABOUT IS TALKING ABOUT INOCULATION, lololololololol, it's not derailing just because you want so badly to pretend this is about something other than what it is, everyone here can see that but you somehow
...Who open-air spawns? Really? REALLY? Everyone who doesn't spawn their tubs in sterile airflow or still-air transfer conditions is open-air inoculating their tubs. I mean, fucking duh, come on man, really.
It's not a big deal. The journal post isn't a big deal, just stating the obvious really.
This is hilarious, SO glad this happened
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: Violet]
#24872954 - 12/28/17 08:39 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Violet said: I'm referring to the ability for mold spores to reach uncolonized substrate. Which hopefully/ideally/usually for people isn't especially relevant.
ok. you stated one fact so far. that we all know. dont spawn uncolonized substrate grains/spawn or it will contam. keep it coming.
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 2
#24872957 - 12/28/17 08:40 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wait... you think spawning uncolonized substrate WILL contam? So you're saying monotubs are guaranteed to contam since they're spawned in unsterile conditions? Man even I don't go that far lol
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: Violet] 2
#24872959 - 12/28/17 08:40 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: Izanagi]
#24872961 - 12/28/17 08:43 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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substrate was a poor choice of words. most people, newbs, often refer to pf as 'substrate'
i should of use the term spawn, or grains. which is mentioned in your link v
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 2
#24872962 - 12/28/17 08:44 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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"Substrate was a poor choice of words" ... it's all substrate, guy.
Okay so you cooked us up a big fat nothingburger lol.
SO glad this happened.
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: Violet]
#24872967 - 12/28/17 08:45 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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nice trump quote. and dont split hairs about a word, only to try to correct the way i clarify.
again. can you add FACTS to this debate? or just name call?
do you open air fruit? have you open air fruited? have you open air spawn runned or whatever you wanna call it?
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 2
#24872978 - 12/28/17 08:52 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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The irony of YOU asking ME to "add facts" to this "debate" is just solid gold. Nobody has ever made it this easy for me before. You're really doing all the work of ridiculing yourself all by yourself. From the context of this thread and the crap you brought it over here from, it doesn't even look like you have basic cultivation concepts ironed out.
I have no obligation to post here anymore. The whole thing is a joke and there's literally no way for this thread to go uphill without going off-topic, because by the very nature of the topic of this post it is a shitpile. Goodbye
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Re: debate about open air fruiting being vector [Re: mushboy] 3
#24872979 - 12/28/17 08:52 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushboy said: whos monos are AIR TIGHT during colonization. the exposure to air the present. with all the microbes of the world.
Ummm i kind of think that's exactly what violet was saying.
We all know when we spawn colonised grain/cakes/whatever to tubs, we are introducing spores - we rely on the spawn ratio and fast colonisation of the bulk to beat out any potential issues.
No bias here (if anything i saw more abrasive posts from Violet than yourself), but seems you went a bit silly with this one
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