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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos] * 1
    #24864007 - 12/23/17 02:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, you're very wise and we're all impressed.


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: 1234go]
    #24864011 - 12/23/17 02:10 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Okay, you're very wise and we're all impressed.



I'm wise because I've heard of the deadman's ten?  Sure, buddy.

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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos]
    #24864031 - 12/23/17 02:17 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Your input was appreciated, we are grateful.


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: 1234go]
    #24864041 - 12/23/17 02:21 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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My concept of security and self-worth is inextricably tied into my warrior fetish and I don't want physics and human physiology intruding on my fantasies.




FTFY :super:


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos] * 3
    #24864049 - 12/23/17 02:25 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You're a lunatic, and you probably read too much for your own good. It's meth, isn't it?


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: 1234go]
    #24864055 - 12/23/17 02:28 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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You're a lunatic, and you probably read too much for your own good.






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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos] * 3
    #24864243 - 12/23/17 04:03 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

People like you are people I wouldn't trust in certain situations.  I'll help anyone and risk my own life doing so. Man up a notch and stop being so judgmental. I love you.


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #24864955 - 12/23/17 11:18 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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People like you are people I wouldn't trust in certain situations.



You mean like sentry removal?


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos]
    #24865091 - 12/24/17 01:25 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Don't have tools to defend yourself because you'll be in more danger. Stay inside at home with your husband and his German shepherd and rely on the police while pretending you have a life. Better yet go live and pretend nothing bad ever happens.


I get your point but you're talking about idiots with an overconfidence problem or an eagerness to kill. If TFs girl is already out jogging in the neighborhood there's no reason she shouldn't have a self defense weapon, as long as she knows it's not a substitute for awareness.

Though I personally favor pepper spray and stun guns/tazers for women. The chances of an attacker being able to out maneuver and overpower the average woman once they come into knife range is too high.

A lot of dudes too for that matter but I don't want to offend anyone's masculinity.


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24865160 - 12/24/17 03:11 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Don't have tools to defend yourself because you'll be in more danger. Stay inside at home with your husband and his German shepherd and rely on the police while pretending you have a life. Better yet go live and pretend nothing bad ever happens.



If you're getting to that point from anything that I said then that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about me.  :facepalm:

If you really think that a weapon gives you license to wander into known danger then a weapon isn't going to do you a hell of a lot of good.  Especially if you're going to take some basic truths about human physiology and the actual mechanics of a mortal wound as some sort of an indictment of your own self.  If you're jogging in a place where it's typical for joggers to be robbed, raped and murdered then a weapon isn't going to help you.  Especially if you refuse to believe that somebody won't just drop dead from your killer, sure to never fail mode of a strike.  It takes time for somebody to die, even if they're mortally wounded.  Taking umbrage at the fact that somebody is telling you that it takes time for somebody to die from a mortal wound isn't going to change the fact that it takes time for somebody to die from a mortal wound.

Germane to that, there is nobody who can power through a knife in their guts.  They'll still have plenty of time to kill you in return for shoving a knife in their guts, but shooting them isn't going to make them die any more quickly.  To reiterate, it's not my fault (nor is it my opinion) that the human body works that way.  If you really don't believe me then you're free to ask a surgeon or anybody who's actually shot anybody with a pistol with the intent to kill them.  A weapon can't save you from your own ego and a series of stupid decisions.  All that a weapon afford you is the ability to use a weapon.  Survival and assassination are totally different objectives, in the sense that if your objective is to kill then your own survival is not your objective by definition.  If being told that wandering around a dangerous neighborhood is a bad idea hurts your ego so much that you feel the need to wander around a dangerous neighborhood just to prove that you can wander around a dangerous neighborhood then your aptitude for survival is way lower than you probably figure that it is.

edit:  Gunshot wound victims have a pretty high (i.e. >90%) survival rate as long as they receive treatment within a couple of hours.  The concept of deadman's ten that I've brought up applies specifically to mortal wounds and in the sense that ten seconds is the absolute least amount of time that you should expect somebody to live after they've been inflicted with a mortal wound (which is to say that it can take up to several minutes for them to finally succumb to their wounds).  That is more than enough time to return the favor of homicide.  If your plan for defending yourself is simply to inflict mortal injury upon your attacker then you are going to die.


Edited by chibiabos (12/24/17 03:58 AM)


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos]
    #24865199 - 12/24/17 04:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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:facepalm: Shut up, chibiabos. A person carrying a gun/knife is certainly safer than someone without one.



If they're using their gun/knife as an excuse to enter dangerous areas then they'll be way less safe.  And it's not my fault that people don't die like the bad guys in your vidya games.  I also didn't tell you what you can or cannot carry.  I just pointed out that the mechanics of a lethal injury do not work in your favor in this case.




Have you ever watched someone get stabbed or shot on video? Theyre not putting up much of a fight afterwards unless theyre a marine, professional fighter or someone on meth. Most people crumple within a few seconds, immediately if they get hit in the chest.


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #24866025 - 12/24/17 01:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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chibiabos said:
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:facepalm: Shut up, chibiabos. A person carrying a gun/knife is certainly safer than someone without one.



If they're using their gun/knife as an excuse to enter dangerous areas then they'll be way less safe.  And it's not my fault that people don't die like the bad guys in your vidya games.  I also didn't tell you what you can or cannot carry.  I just pointed out that the mechanics of a lethal injury do not work in your favor in this case.




Have you ever watched someone get stabbed or shot on video? Theyre not putting up much of a fight afterwards unless theyre a marine, professional fighter or someone on meth. Most people crumple within a few seconds, immediately if they get hit in the chest.




I have. I'm a paramedic. I've seen this a lot.

Even the meth heads crumple. PCP and some other drugs are a different scenario, but that isn't a common drug. Yes, it may take someone 10 seconds from the point of injury to die from their mortal wound. The first few of those ten seconds are going to be taken by the sheer stun of being shot or stabbed. No one really believes that they are going to get shot, and when it happens...

Not to mention that, while chibiabos is correct in that it isn't at all like action movies when someone gets shot and they don't instantly die, the other major difference is that being shot doesn't just put a hole in your body that you can just ignore. Bullets, especially heavier caliber bullets, shatter bone, disintegrate nerves and can absolutely liquify soft tissue. A shoulder wound can and will completely disable you. Chibiabos does make a few good points, but ultimately Bodhi hits the nail on the head in this scenario in that MOST people that AREN'T on very specific drugs or have had the mind altering levels of training that service members receive are not going to be able to handle being shot in such a capacity that they are going to be much of an immediate threat.


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: TheUpsideDown]
    #24866043 - 12/24/17 01:33 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #24866058 - 12/24/17 01:45 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Don't have tools to defend yourself because you'll be in more danger. Stay inside at home with your husband and his German shepherd and rely on the police while pretending you have a life. Better yet go live and pretend nothing bad ever happens.


I get your point but you're talking about idiots with an overconfidence problem or an eagerness to kill. If TFs girl is already out jogging in the neighborhood there's no reason she shouldn't have a self defense weapon, as long as she knows it's not a substitute for awareness.

Though I personally favor pepper spray and stun guns/tazers for women. The chances of an attacker being able to out maneuver and overpower the average woman once they come into knife range is too high.

A lot of dudes too for that matter but I don't want to offend anyone's masculinity.




I agree, I think its the 21 Foot rule with a knife? Closer proximity attackers are done for. I carry an alarm on my keychain and a blade that isn't exactly 'law abiding' where I live.


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: TheUpsideDown]
    #24866122 - 12/24/17 02:37 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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chibiabos said:
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1234go said:
:facepalm: Shut up, chibiabos. A person carrying a gun/knife is certainly safer than someone without one.



If they're using their gun/knife as an excuse to enter dangerous areas then they'll be way less safe.  And it's not my fault that people don't die like the bad guys in your vidya games.  I also didn't tell you what you can or cannot carry.  I just pointed out that the mechanics of a lethal injury do not work in your favor in this case.




Have you ever watched someone get stabbed or shot on video? Theyre not putting up much of a fight afterwards unless theyre a marine, professional fighter or someone on meth. Most people crumple within a few seconds, immediately if they get hit in the chest.




I have. I'm a paramedic. I've seen this a lot.

Even the meth heads crumple. PCP and some other drugs are a different scenario, but that isn't a common drug. Yes, it may take someone 10 seconds from the point of injury to die from their mortal wound. The first few of those ten seconds are going to be taken by the sheer stun of being shot or stabbed. No one really believes that they are going to get shot, and when it happens...



Don't paramedics usually arrive after a stabbing or a shooting?  It also takes a hell of a lot of accuracy and precision to purposefully destroy structures in somebody's body so that they can't keep coming at you.  And you don't tend to notice that you're leaking until after you've had time to calm down and notice that there's a hole in you, especially if the hole was put into you in the process of them trying to prevent you from caving their skull in.  Preventing somebody from making use of that window between injury (which, to reiterate, they might not even notice until they either bleed to death or calm down enough where they can afford to worry about the fact that they're injured) and bleed-out is way far from being impossible, but shooting somebody (even with a large caliber) and hoping that the bullet had enough energy to prevent them from retaliating with their own mode of deadly force is not a viable strategy to achieve that end.  Especially if that other person doesn't already have the mindset that they're automatically dead if they've been shot.  There's a reason why everybody who actually trains in close quarters combat doesn't leave that shit to chance and keeps on beating their students over the head with this concept of making sure that the bad guy is physically unable to attack you while he dies from his wounds.  Counting on a killer strike (e.g. shooting somebody with a gun) to end the fight because of the fact that it's a killer strike is common, but it's a stupid idea and it will get you killed when it inevitably fails.  It also tends to work best against people who aren't even attacking you in the first place.

And, I'll ask again, don't paramedics usually show up after the attack?  I don't doubt that you've responded to knife fights and gun fights and all of that crap, but you're making it sound like you're hanging around and actually watching them happen.


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos]
    #24866176 - 12/24/17 03:09 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

And, apropos destroying biological structure, firing a pistol doesn't require a hell of a lot more on the shooter's part than them moving their fingers a little bit.  Your own shots aren't going to destroy that ability unless you're extremely lucky.  Even stabbing into some choice targets isn't going to destroy that ability.

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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos] * 2
    #24866330 - 12/24/17 04:59 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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CookieCrumbs said:
Don't have tools to defend yourself because you'll be in more danger. Stay inside at home with your husband and his German shepherd and rely on the police while pretending you have a life. Better yet go live and pretend nothing bad ever happens.



If you're getting to that point from anything that I said then that says a hell of a lot more about you than it does about me.  :facepalm:

If you really think that a weapon gives you license to wander into known danger then a weapon isn't going to do you a hell of a lot of good.  Especially if you're going to take some basic truths about human physiology and the actual mechanics of a mortal wound as some sort of an indictment of your own self.  If you're jogging in a place where it's typical for joggers to be robbed, raped and murdered then a weapon isn't going to help you.  Especially if you refuse to believe that somebody won't just drop dead from your killer, sure to never fail mode of a strike.  It takes time for somebody to die, even if they're mortally wounded.  Taking umbrage at the fact that somebody is telling you that it takes time for somebody to die from a mortal wound isn't going to change the fact that it takes time for somebody to die from a mortal wound.

Germane to that, there is nobody who can power through a knife in their guts.  They'll still have plenty of time to kill you in return for shoving a knife in their guts, but shooting them isn't going to make them die any more quickly.  To reiterate, it's not my fault (nor is it my opinion) that the human body works that way.  If you really don't believe me then you're free to ask a surgeon or anybody who's actually shot anybody with a pistol with the intent to kill them.  A weapon can't save you from your own ego and a series of stupid decisions.  All that a weapon afford you is the ability to use a weapon.  Survival and assassination are totally different objectives, in the sense that if your objective is to kill then your own survival is not your objective by definition.  If being told that wandering around a dangerous neighborhood is a bad idea hurts your ego so much that you feel the need to wander around a dangerous neighborhood just to prove that you can wander around a dangerous neighborhood then your aptitude for survival is way lower than you probably figure that it is.

edit:  Gunshot wound victims have a pretty high (i.e. >90%) survival rate as long as they receive treatment within a couple of hours.  The concept of deadman's ten that I've brought up applies specifically to mortal wounds and in the sense that ten seconds is the absolute least amount of time that you should expect somebody to live after they've been inflicted with a mortal wound (which is to say that it can take up to several minutes for them to finally succumb to their wounds).  That is more than enough time to return the favor of homicide.  If your plan for defending yourself is simply to inflict mortal injury upon your attacker then you are going to die.




That's a lot of ifs. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos] * 1
    #24866625 - 12/24/17 08:16 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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 If your plan for defending yourself is simply to inflict mortal injury upon your attacker then you are going to die




Take your trolling to an appropriate forum, or you will be reported to the moderators. This isn't the place for your shenanigans.


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: 1234go]
    #24866686 - 12/24/17 08:49 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Somebody maintaining a position that you disagree with isn't trolling.  :facepalm:


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Re: Post Your Blade . . . [Re: chibiabos]
    #24866707 - 12/24/17 08:59 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You're not fooling anyone, but I accept your indirect apology.


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