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Anglerfish
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Post number 10 000 but what is this?
#24864167 - 12/23/17 03:24 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Habitat: Where does it grow? Gregariously in sandy soil under various deciduous trees and shrubs.
Gills: Adnate. Reddish brown in color, different from the spore print.
Stem: 6 to 10 centimeters long, 1.5 to 2 millimeters thick, smooth, tough, wiry. White in young specimens, pale brownish from the base up in older ones.
Cap: Diameter 1 to 3.5 centimeter, dull brown with slightly orange tint. Longitudinally wrinkled texture. Hygrophanous.
Spore print color: Sepia to dark brown.
Bruising: Nothing noticed.
Other information: Odor slightly mealy. The ones pictured were found in mid August, city park/small botanical garden, Bergen, Norway. Conocybe sp. growing nearby.
These kept coming up over the span of more than three months, I spotted them first in mid June, they were gone in late September.
I have been considering Galerina and Conocybe (before printing them), Phaeogalera, Hypholoma and even Psathyrella.
Wondering if anyone might have suggestions to put me in the right direction?


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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Anglerfish]
#24864187 - 12/23/17 03:32 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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kinda looks like a psilocybe
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inski
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: burtonRebel]
#24864276 - 12/23/17 04:16 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the rugose or wrinkled cap surface probably indicates a hymeniform pileipellis, that along with the spore deposit could indicate a Psathyrella species, is the flesh of the stipe brittle?
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Anglerfish
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: inski]
#24864376 - 12/23/17 05:18 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
burtonRebel said: kinda looks like a psilocybe 
I honestly don't think they do, at least nothing that grows in my country.
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inski said: I think the rugose or wrinkled cap surface probably indicates a hymeniform pileipellis, that along with the spore deposit could indicate a Psathyrella species, is the flesh of the stipe brittle?
Not brittle, the stems were tough and wiry, they wouldn't break when I bent them, kind of comparable to the stems of Hypholoma marginatum, but I don't think it is that species. As mentioned this is not a recent find, they were from August this year. If in fact a Psathyrella, it is not any of the locally common species.
I have three dried specimens at home though, and there is a Norwegian mycologist that wants to look at them under his scope. I have just forgotten to send them. So I will eventually and hopefully get closer to a conclusion, but I wanted to post them here to get some opinions and satisfy my curiosity.
Thanks for the input.
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Anglerfish]
#24864382 - 12/23/17 05:21 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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the gill structure is very different to Psathyrella too, i'm stumped. I think i'll second your galerina statement.
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Anglerfish
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Shroomsondeck]
#24864462 - 12/23/17 06:09 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomsondeck said: I think i'll second your galerina statement.
Print is way off.
Looking at pictures of Naucoria species, thinking that is a possibility.
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: inski]
#24864545 - 12/23/17 06:56 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know what it is, but I'm pretty sure its not Psathyrella.
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Doc9151
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Byrain]
#24864674 - 12/23/17 08:07 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hypholoma dispersum is the closest I can find.
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Doc9151]
#24864889 - 12/23/17 10:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would be surprised if it was not a Naucoria.
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Anglerfish]
#24865599 - 12/24/17 09:36 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anglerfish said:
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Shroomsondeck said: I think i'll second your galerina statement.
Print is way off.
Looking at pictures of Naucoria species, thinking that is a possibility.
I dunno Anglerfish you know more than me, but I have been seeing alott of new mushies also lately it's kind of weird. We are all still students here one this Earth I see. Peace & Love
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Doc9151
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: majicman30]
#24865883 - 12/24/17 12:07 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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It may not be naucoria if it was found in August, unlees it's Naucoria Bohemica, it's the only one I can find that fruits in August. The others are cold weather species it seems. The show fruiting in Jan. Through March.
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Doc9151]
#24866177 - 12/24/17 03:10 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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If Naucoria sp., I'm very reluctant to call it N. bohemica. I find that quite frequently, it grows more or less exclusively with Betula (infrequently also with Salix) and is quite flimsy as opposed to this find, which was sturdy and tough.
I just found this key to Naucoria species in Britain, which is the most compatible information I can find online at the moment. It is however rather futile in my hands, since I'm not in the possession of a microscope.
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Anglerfish]
#24866313 - 12/24/17 04:49 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you know of any other naucoria that fruits in August, Bohemica is the only one I could find. That makes me skeptical I'm looking at the right genus, but I'm so new it's easy for me to miss important details.
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Doc9151]
#24866349 - 12/24/17 05:13 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc9151 said: Do you know of any other naucoria that fruits in August, Bohemica is the only one I could find. That makes me skeptical I'm looking at the right genus, but I'm so new it's easy for me to miss important details.
Are you referring to August in your area? Remember that the average temperatures on the Norwegian west coast in August probably equal yours in November. We have Psilocybe semilanceata fruiting from late July / early August.
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Re: Post number 10 000 but what is this? [Re: Anglerfish]
#24866367 - 12/24/17 05:26 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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The information came from a czech website, I'll try to find it again.
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