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Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates.
#24859948 - 12/21/17 11:51 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello Shroomery!!! Merry Christmas to ya!!!!!!! 
This was just something I have been wondering about lately.... The idea of adding activated charcoal dust to bulk substrates and the effects it could have on a mushroom grow...? Like scraping burnt oak or pine from a campfire or even emptying the contents of activated charcoal capsules and adding them to let's say a hpoo based bulk sub.... What could the effects be??? Could it function similarly to gypsum and possibly prolong the life of the sub and increase flush numbers? Just an idea I had because activated charcoal does have great antioxidant properties....... So I would really like to get opinions and thoughts on this idea???
What do you all think about it? Could it make sense or does anyone think activated charcoal could actually benefit a bulk substrate in anyway??? Has anyone ever experimented with this before to anybody's knowledge? I would love to hear about it if so...?
Thank you very much for your time and opinions on this..... Just a random thought I had that I figured I would put out there!
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: Threads from God89]
#24859983 - 12/21/17 12:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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No benefit thus no need.
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: Threads from God89]
#24860009 - 12/21/17 12:16 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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clean spawn in the solution to whatever problem you are foreseeing/trying to solve.
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Re: Examining the concept of adding clean spawn to bulk substrates. [Re: mushboy]
#24860015 - 12/21/17 12:18 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Examining the concept of adding clean spawn to bulk substrates.
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Re: Examining the concept of adding clean spawn to bulk substrates. [Re: bodhisatta]
#24860034 - 12/21/17 12:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey!!! Thank you honorable souls very much for chiming in!!! 
Are there ever areas in nature where habitats face fires and mushrooms grow back in plenty years later?? I have heard stories of woodlands burning and people finding many morel mushrooms springs later...? Any knowledge of those types of instances I wonder??
Thanks again, you guys are just the ones who's inputs I was looking for!!! Much appreciated...
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Re: Examining the concept of adding clean spawn to bulk substrates. [Re: Threads from God89]
#24860354 - 12/21/17 02:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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My educated guess is that mushroom growth accelerates in forests that have recently burnt down because there is a lot of substrate available from the damage of the forest fire itself, nutrient rich soil from the ashes, and a lack of competition. Just a guess, though...
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: Threads from God89]
#24860458 - 12/21/17 03:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Threads from God89 said: The idea of adding activated charcoal dust to bulk substrates and the effects it could have on a mushroom grow...? Like scraping burnt oak or pine from a campfire or even emptying the contents of activated charcoal capsules and adding them to let's say a hpoo based bulk sub.... What could the effects be??? Could it function similarly to gypsum and possibly prolong the life of the sub and increase flush numbers? Just an idea I had because activated charcoal does have great antioxidant properties....... So I would really like to get opinions and thoughts on this idea???
Burnt oak or pine is not activated charcoal, it's simply charcoal. Also, activated charcoal doesn't have 'great antioxidant properties'. It's just a good adsorbant.
I'm all for experimentation, but I don't see why this would have any benefit.
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: SadTurkey]
#24860499 - 12/21/17 04:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you should get down the basics for a few grows and have some success before experimenting
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: cronicr]
#24860524 - 12/21/17 04:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I think you should get down the basics for a few grows and have some success before experimenting
I say if your experiment seems promising, then why not? If you dont care if your grow doesnt work out because the results give you some kind of information, then atleast you learned something. Just my opinion, of course.
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: psilocyanide]
#24860587 - 12/21/17 04:47 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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psilocyanide said:
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cronicr said: I think you should get down the basics for a few grows and have some success before experimenting
I say if your experiment seems promising, then why not? If you dont care if your grow doesnt work out because the results give you some kind of information, then atleast you learned something. Just my opinion, of course.
Right!! Thank you! And that is what I mean.... Just talking about the concept of it and whether or not mushroom mycellium might benefit from charcoal in anyway... To me it's kinda interesting. I'm not preparing to add it to any grows, just the concept crossed my mind.... . I wouldn't recommend anyone use it unless they wanted to experiment with it's effects. Lol
Thanks everybody that took the time to post... I value your guys' opinions!
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: SadTurkey]
#24860597 - 12/21/17 04:53 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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SadTurkey said:
Burnt oak or pine is not activated charcoal, it's simply charcoal. Also, activated charcoal doesn't have 'great antioxidant properties'. It's just a good adsorbant.
Activated charcoal is just charcoal with extra woo.
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: Psilicon]
#24860620 - 12/21/17 05:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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It helps germinate old spires or crossing strains and some notice a decrease in bacterial contams but so far to date it has shown no benifit as an additive to bulk for cubensis...save it for your agar
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: cronicr]
#24860716 - 12/21/17 05:43 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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You could burn the wood the rest of the way to ash. Soak the wood ashes in water, creating a high ph solution. Then use that caustic water to cold pastseurize straw.....
But be careful it will be basic enough to give you a chemical burn.
Edited by foragedfungus (12/21/17 05:46 PM)
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Re: Examining the concept of adding activated charcoal to bulk substrates. [Re: foragedfungus]
#24860848 - 12/21/17 06:51 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a pretty cool idea, also I didn't even think about it being applied to agar maybe. Pretty sweet! 
Thanks for the brainstorming!
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Edited by Threads from God89 (12/21/17 06:52 PM)
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