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Clean room in attic. 5k budget.
    #24857608 - 12/20/17 11:33 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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  I generally have time to use the search function, but I live out of town, and have an extremely busy day. I will be by alumber yard this afternoon so if I could get suggestions on my most recent idea while im in town I would be very grateful! I'll use the search function tonight after work  but any preemptive tips would be much appreciated so I can save a trip to town.

  So here's my thinking. I have a fairly spacious attic. Hasn't been used in years. I know I will spend days cleaning it before any of the building. Replacing blow in insulation with the rolls of it, etc. I know growing in an attic is I'll advised because of contamination and climate control, but I think I can solve that.

  I am self employed and can never have enough storage space. My current project takes up a whole room in my house and it could be moved to the attic, saving me storage shed fees.

    Because of the self employment and storage needs I can justify spending around $5000 on this. My current ideas are cleaning and stripping everything out except the framing. Then sterilize every square inch, insulatate ceiling, and walls with r-30 rolled insulation. Then cover with an easily sanitized surface instead of sheetrock, etc. Maybe plexiglass? It will have automated heating, cooling, and moisture control. Haven't decided what to use to accomplish that yet.

  Also the idea popped into my head of sealing the room well enough to run a fan and hepa filter for positive pressure to basically act as a whole room laminar flow hood. Is that way out of my price range or even possible? Thanks for any suggestions guys!!!

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT] * 2
    #24857640 - 12/20/17 11:45 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Attics are made with lots of airflow in mind, thus why they shouldn't be getting moldy af. Because of this, the idea you will have a clean attic is absurd, you will have constant new air coming in that will be filled with spores. Luckily though, with good airflow and proper procedures during spawn, you can grow in some of the nastiest places with great results. I believe RR was growing for a while in a room with black mold on the walls and shit. Me personally, I grow in a room with carpet that is probably covered in trich spores.

The notion you need everything sterile is wrong. However, any handling of open cultures will indeed require sterility, so a SAB or a FH is the answer to that. Could you pull off clean grows in an attic? Hells yeah you can, but I'd be addressing the issues of a good work space to be sterile and good sterile techniques, rather than the environment. Build a SAB and get epic with your techniques, then you can grow in a fuckin dumpster, should you decide to lol.


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: Mad Season]
    #24857665 - 12/20/17 11:58 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Thank your for your input mad season! Another reason for the attic is stealth. With conducting interviews in my house, cable guys coming, etc, you never know what could bring u down. And with my business I can't have that happen. Also as far as it not being a clean environment, I plan on making a 10x25 foot or so completely sealed room, floor, ceiling, and walls. I bet I'll get a lot of spores and stuff on me while I'm going into the attic to get to the clean room but that's a problem I still have to solve. Sounds like a sealed room, with a FH in it because I'm ready for agar work. I've been growing pf tek and some monotubs for years. This upgrade is mainly for more stealth, more storage, and having an area in the attic clean enough to do work in. If I add a flow hood sounds like it'd be a good answer to my problem

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24857693 - 12/20/17 12:11 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I would focus on building a clean room in my attic before I'd even consider trying to turn my attic in it's entirety into one. You want some amount of airflow in your attic in case of bad storms to allow pressure to equalize and prevent roof damage(I'm by no means an expert on roofs, so take this with a grain of salt).

Not sure what your layout is like in your attic, but I would imagine a little framing and drywall to stop free airflow combined with a laminar flow hood for sterile work would get the job done way under budget and perform every bit as well. You could even build a "sub sterile" entrance and keep bunny suits or something similar in there to reduce outside contaminates that you'd be bringing in with you. It doesn't strike me that it would be too hard to filter the air entering to some degree, but creating a positive pressure room equipped with hepa filter is a little overly ambitious for me, but if you figure out a way of doing it without breaking the budget, I'd be interested to hear how it goes.


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    #24857701 - 12/20/17 12:16 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: sprinkles]
    #24857772 - 12/20/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

You don't even need a sterile room, just a flow hood and good tek. Maybe just build a rom in general, like said above. Don't worry about "sterile" room, just keep it clean. You could even invest in a 2nd filter setup to scrub the air when not in there. I'm sorry but I don't think your going to be able to build a true sterile room for 5k. Maybe stick with what is practical. I totally understand the room in the attic for stealth. Make sure your make the floor able to be mopped occasionally. Use paint that you can wash.

Hey just an FYI, for ~$600 you can buy a real, professional grade flow hood off ebay.


Comes with a 2 year warranty. I just cant find the filter specs so you would want to contact them. $599 to your door

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: Psilo_citizen]
    #24857832 - 12/20/17 01:09 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

That is what I'm talking about, not the whole attic, just about a 10x15 space or less And yes I should learn more about how an attic works as far as airflow etc.

The layout is very bare. Some obviously ancient blow in insulation on the floor minimal roll insulation  on exterior walls. No drywall, osb, or anything except 2x4 studs.

I had the thought of a pre-room to suit up in. Like astronauts lol. Kinda brainstorming still though. But seems like a very good idea.

Im probably going overboard with the positive pressure system. I usually design my projects as perfect and professional as possible, then cut costs where needed.

I'll upload a pic of the area soon

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24857850 - 12/20/17 01:13 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Thank you!

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24857900 - 12/20/17 01:28 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I'm apparently retarded and can't figure out how to upload pics.

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24857906 - 12/20/17 01:30 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

It would be cool to drape off a cube shaped room in your attic with 3mm poly and run a hepa filtered fan into
it to create a positive pressure system. Could be done relatively cheap but is for sure overkill.


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: natedawgnow]
    #24858126 - 12/20/17 02:43 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24858142 - 12/20/17 02:49 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT] * 2
    #24858164 - 12/20/17 03:01 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

if i had 5k and that space id rather grow some herb and do a few mini monos in a spare bedroom in a locked closet.

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: mushboy]
    #24858231 - 12/20/17 03:35 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I have family and friends that grow. I make the shatter, edibles and stuff for them. But where I live mushrooms are hard to come by. They're much more valuable than bud here. Otherwise I like your plan.

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24858246 - 12/20/17 03:41 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

My 2c is that you should leave your attic the way it is. I've done what you're suggesting and then came to regret the money and work I put into creating my grow room. You're best off doing lots of mono tubs, which don't benefit from what you're describing. Invest the money into a nice, large, flowhood, lots of jars, and some lights. Maybe electrical work if you need more wires up there to get all your lights

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: CataSTRAWfic_Grows]
    #24858250 - 12/20/17 03:42 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I created a grow room with the intent of straw logs and trays, and now I just do monotubs- can't say for sure, but you may have a similar experience, in which case modifying your attic is pointless


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: CataSTRAWfic_Grows]
    #24858272 - 12/20/17 03:52 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

An attic is about the worst spot I could imagine. Cold as fuck in the winter and hot as fuck in the summer. Not wired up to support heating, cooling, flowhood, lights, etc. But if you want to do it, just frame out a room and insulate it and hook up ac and heat. Use vinyl sheet flooring. Use plastic wall panels for the walls and ceilings, nailed to the studs that you frame out. It's a pretty shit idea. You'd be better off just buying or building a small shed and insulating that.


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: sandman420]
    #24858360 - 12/20/17 04:27 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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An attic is about the worst spot I could imagine. Cold as fuck in the winter and hot as fuck in the summer. Not wired up to support heating, cooling, flowhood, lights, etc. But if you want to do it, just frame out a room and insulate it and hook up ac and heat. Use vinyl sheet flooring. Use plastic wall panels for the walls and ceilings, nailed to the studs that you frame out. It's a pretty shit idea. You'd be better off just buying or building a small shed and insulating that.




My attic isn't insulated from the floor under it very well, so it mimics the temps of the house. Maybe in the summer it'd get hot, but never over 80 bc we run AC. As long as in the winter it stays around 60 you'll be fine. That being said, too hot in the summer is all you have to worry about bc space heaters are pretty affordable. definitely correct about wiring though. Idk how much wiring you'd need done, but get a quote and take that outta your budget.

With the rest of the budget, anywhere from 500$-1500$ on the flow hood, then prob a 100-200 on jars and tubs, then maybe 50-100$ on lighting (rough guess, many variables such as sockets). But an attic is definitely doable, I wouldn't put it down that harshly.

Also, why put up the vinyl? not necessary if he decides to do monos


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: CataSTRAWfic_Grows]
    #24858370 - 12/20/17 04:32 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Thank you catastrawfic. Sounds like solid advice. And sandman, I think once I properly insulate it it won't be much harder than keeping a second floor bedroom temperature controlled. Also my situation is kinda weird. I have 3 outbuildings, a 20x20 heated shop for woodworking, and another large shop. But the attic is the only place that no employees will ever be. So my attic is my best option. Another building would draw attention, the attic is already there. No unneeded attention that way.

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24858390 - 12/20/17 04:44 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I just bought two 2*4 clean room laminar flow hoods for a good deal on ebay (see the post I just bumped), I’m still waiting to see how well the laminar flow will workas a tabletop hood in a relatively still air room but if you are interested at least one of them will be for sale soon. Or you could scour ebay for days like me and swoop you own. You could easily frame a falso wall with 2by 2s and use panda plastic or GH poly to line, tape then staple then tape again to avoid tears, they make zippers with sticker backs at hydrostores, slap em on, unzip and run a blade down the gap, viola!


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: AyePlus]
    #24858402 - 12/20/17 04:48 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Why 5g? Can get a huge bulk setup for 500ish

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    #24858406 - 12/20/17 04:51 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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I just bought two 2*4 clean room laminar flow hoods for a good deal on ebay (see the post I just bumped), I’m still waiting to see how well the laminar flow will workas a tabletop hood in a relatively still air room but if you are interested at least one of them will be for sale soon. Or you could scour ebay for days like me and swoop you own. You could easily frame a falso wall with 2by 2s and use panda plastic or GH poly to line, tape then staple then tape again to avoid tears, they make zippers with sticker backs at hydrostores, slap em on, unzip and run a blade down the gap, viola!




this is exactly what I did, and it's good advice for a grow room, or even a clean room, but with a flow hood and monos there's no point- which is what I've been trying to say.

I'll peace out from this post now cause I'm not trying to monopolize the debate, but I think I've gotten what my advise is across. Just make sure that your attic doesn't top 80 in the summer


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: CataSTRAWfic_Grows]
    #24858434 - 12/20/17 05:04 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Thank you very much catastrawfic

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24858444 - 12/20/17 05:11 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Sure, I bet I could get a bunch of monotub s set up for 500. But I have 5k to spend on it. There are always better ways to do things, I assume my flow hood setup will be over 500. The air purification setup for the attic will probably be well over 500 also. I'm not trying to grow bulk on a budget, I have a real passion for doing anything I do the best way I possibly can. And also a passion for growing mushrooms. I love it. I've found alot of teks to help me get started with agar and strain isolation and that will be what I get into next. For now I want to make am area of my attic the best clean room I can for under 5k. I did some research on home depot and did some more drafting. Getting closer to my final plan.

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24858502 - 12/20/17 05:34 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Why not just clean and panda film everything? Then get a FH and a grow tent and do all your 'sterile' work in there?

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24858522 - 12/20/17 05:45 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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Why not just clean and panda film everything? Then get a FH and a grow tent and do all your 'sterile' work in there?




because why do that? your fh will take care of contams in your 'working space'

also, I already excused myself but I came back just to chime in on this:

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MushLoveMT said:The air purification setup for the attic will probably be well over 500 also.




any air purification setup will most likely only have one effect: making the HEPA in your fh last longer. which isn't bad at all, but unnecessary.  I'd wait to purchase this last and see if you still have room in the budget or want it. I think a better investment is an additional AA PC so you can do a lot of jars in one go. If you got the AA PC's that have toggles and plug into outlets you could set and forget it in the attic and do like 20-40 jars at a time. you also wouldn't have the wife or any visitors asking what the hell that bulky ass thing on the stove is


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: CataSTRAWfic_Grows]
    #24858540 - 12/20/17 06:00 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Cata 60 is a bit to cold. My grow area was 62f and fruiting came to an almost halt until I put heat in there. You can buy an actual lab flow hood starting at $600 new, shipped to you. There is no reason to spend $1500 on a flow hood. Vinyl because clean is better than not clean.


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    #24859275 - 12/21/17 05:00 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

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Cata 60 is a bit to cold. My grow area was 62f and fruiting came to an almost halt until I put heat in there. You can buy an actual lab flow hood starting at $600 new, shipped to you. There is no reason to spend $1500 on a flow hood. Vinyl because clean is better than not clean.




that's good to know about the temp- my FC stays mid 70's and hasn't dipped to 60 ever, I just assumed that's where the cut-off was.

well the reason I quoted so high is bc if he has a good budget then having more working room is solid af. The one you linked to is pretty comparable in price to the smallest version by fungiperfecti (which I have), and it offers way more working space.

I'd have to agree with everything you said- the reason why I was coming down on the vinyl is because it's not necessary- just nice.


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: CataSTRAWfic_Grows]
    #24859295 - 12/21/17 05:26 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Right it is kind of a luxury, but a nice one. It is nice being able to do a good clean on ones lab area. Keeping it low on dust and dirt has to be beneficial.


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24859493 - 12/21/17 08:00 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

You said you want to make a clean room. Clean rooms don't have wood floors.


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT] * 1
    #24859506 - 12/21/17 08:09 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Making a clean room is useless in my opinion. Just build a fancy Still Air Box and call it good.

Making an expensive grow room is much more worth while.


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    #24859523 - 12/21/17 08:16 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I say skip the sterile room and just build a room that's easy to clean, and then invest in a nice flow hood and some really good AA PC's


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24859898 - 12/21/17 11:29 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Good plan.

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: sandman420]
    #24860441 - 12/21/17 03:21 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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You said you want to make a clean room. Clean rooms don't have wood floors.




This is why I suggested a grow tent...

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: sMileHighCity] * 1
    #24862059 - 12/22/17 12:48 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

The wood floor is going to be covered. Probably just some simple linoleum, seems like the easiest option. I'm thinking now on going with 1/4 inch melamine panrls for the walls, linoleum for floor, seal all edges between floor and wall panels etc just for good measure, and focus more of my budget for a quality flow hood. I would really like to build one myself. I'll look up flow hood teks later when I have time

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24862099 - 12/22/17 01:14 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Getting a flow hood is a good call :thumbup:

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24862137 - 12/22/17 01:32 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

You're a good call!

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT] * 1
    #24862139 - 12/22/17 01:33 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Madhatter I've settled on pretty much exactly what you suggested. Thank you for your advice.

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24862592 - 12/22/17 05:50 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Use painters plastic to cover floor, walls, ceiling. Bleach bomb that bitch and good to go... No need for all the fancy stuff

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: Callmedaddy]
    #24862735 - 12/22/17 07:02 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Looks to me like all you really need to do is cordon off what you have and make sure you have good temp controls in place. You could rock it in there for certain. Enjoy!

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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24862784 - 12/22/17 07:32 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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I say skip the sterile room and just build a room that's easy to clean, and then invest in a nice flow hood and some really good AA PC's



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Madhatter I've settled on pretty much exactly what you suggested. Thank you for your advice.



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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24862876 - 12/22/17 08:50 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I would not build a lab in an attic. It will be too hot unless you route HVAC. In that case I would want to run the cool air through a ceiling grid HEPA. Also it will be a major pain in the ass to haul jars, spawn bags, water, sawdust blocks, etc. down to your spawning area and up from your prep area.

That said 5k will surely put you in range of a nice lab with a large flowhood, nice sterilizers, shelving... all the bells and whistles. Maybe you can find a better place?


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: MushLoveMT]
    #24863071 - 12/23/17 12:20 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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You're a good call!




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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #24863851 - 12/23/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Was thinking about your situation last night OP, with 5 grand I think you could afford to build an outbuilding to use as your lab - if you own your property. Seems like the best solution if you don't have the space in house. You can have an electrician run a sub panel off your breaker box to get power to it.


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Re: Clean room in attic. 5k budget. [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #24864349 - 12/23/17 04:57 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

He could, but he has employees and doesn't want them checking out his grow. So that's why he wants to do it in the attic.

It looks like OP has a pretty high clearance attic. Looks similar to some of the attics in like 20's and 30's buildings I've lived in. It's basically like a whole separate floor. It should work fine with that kind of a budget. Build an insulated room in the attic where it can be heated and cooled and cleaned easily.

I don't think I'd want to hoof tubs and such up a ladder, but if this is an old house, it might just have a stair case. If so, that wouldn't be so big a deal.

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