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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: durian_2008]
#24861491 - 12/22/17 06:07 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Fentanyl turns Marquis reagent an orange-brown (and also depending on which analog, but always orange or brown)
Heroin
Marquis: Deep purplish red
Fentanyl
Marquis: Orange to Brown
Mecke: Light Yellow
Mandelin: Yellow-Green
Acetyl Fentanyl
Marquis: Orange
Mecke: Very Slight Change
Mandelin: Blue Green
Test your shit! Take a few random samples in case its not evenly spread. If youre scared of a reagent...well, i just have never heard of such a thing. Just dont eat it. The full set (not that bullshit overpriced single-use test stuff) of a bottle of marquis, mecke, and mandelin, can be ordered for like $25. Does not have to be dancesafe or bunk police, i found that generic ones work exactly as well, and are way cheaper. There was one on amazon, maybe still is.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: Fractal420]
#24862150 - 12/22/17 01:40 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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last week 2 people died in my hometown from cocain with Fentanyl. SCARY SHIT. Y WOULD U CUT COKE WITH IT. IT HAS MADE ITS WAY TO CENTRAL ILLINOIS B SAFE PEOPLE MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: musiclover420] 1
#24863545 - 12/23/17 10:12 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cheech and Chong's Next Movie (1980) - Space Coke
I'm going to have to watch the whole movie, I cried a little laughing my ass off at that
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: Volition]
#24864097 - 12/23/17 02:48 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: musiclover420]
#24864450 - 12/23/17 06:03 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is sad and scary. Why would anyone mix Fentanyl with coke? They are polar opposites. Legalise and regulate to save lives.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: Freedreamer]
#24864459 - 12/23/17 06:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Freedreamer said: This is sad and scary. Why would anyone mix Fentanyl with coke? They are polar opposites. Legalise and regulate to save lives.
I bet it's a potency thing. Most people probably have never done pure coke anyways so I bet some inexperienced users might think "damn that's strong stuff".
But yeah it seems pretty stupid, it's probably mainly dumbass greedy dealers doing it. You'd think killing your customers wouldn't be a good business practice 
I bet there are some confused dealers out there thinking "damn why do I never hear back from any of my buyers?"...
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: musiclover420]
#24866186 - 12/24/17 03:15 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm wondering why this is happening, it doesn't make sense for dealers to cut coke with fent or carfent.
1. Coke users aren't like H users, as ODs from fent contaminated Coke are super bad for business, not good advertising like it is in the H scene. ("Wow, so and so died from that stamp,"; "Must be super potent shit, we better get some before its all gone!"
2. Someone who posses quantities enough to sell, do, or cut dope with fent has paid $300 to $800 ++ per gram for that shit. As a cut for dope (or sold in bags as Fent), its worth many many more times that for example:
If you were trying to put 200ug of fent in each stamp bag, your 1g of fent would make 5,000- 200ug stamp-bags valued @ $10 per bag = $50K return on investment. Why would any drug dealer give a substance that valuable give it away for free? Especially to customers who wouldn't want, expect, or even purchase again if they knew what they were buying contained fent or analogues.
That being said, I wonder if what is happening is a result of fent being handled on or with the same equipment (scales, scoops, ect...) which is not cleaned properly when switching from one substance to another.
Even just miniscule amounts of fent have to potential to be lethal to opiate naive folks. Also would explain the presence in samples tested by LEOs. Otherwise, I just couldn't explain it, putting fent in coke makes zero economic sense. Literally, any "hustler" doing this intentionally would be losing on $1000s of dollars.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: skd5004]
#24866192 - 12/24/17 03:20 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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That being said, I wonder if what is happening is a result of fent being handled on or with the same equipment (scales, scoops, ect...) which is not cleaned properly when switching from one substance to another.
That's a scary though. I imagine if this was the case some of these dealers would have OD'd themselves by now. Seems hard to avoid coming in contact with any fent if it's all over your stuff.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: durian_2008]
#24866691 - 12/24/17 08:51 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure there's a bunch of different people moving large quantities of fent and analogues on the DNMs right now. Even though that whole scene is shady, with cut product, exit scams and other rip offs people are still willing to take the risks because its what they want. Once a vendor is established with a good reputation and product, they become quite busy quickly. While shooting/smoking/sniffing bags with an unknown amount of heroin mixed with an unknown amount fent (or Carfent) is extremely dangerous; There is an absolutely large domestic demand for quality fent and analogues (probably even unknowingly by junkies who only care that the bags they are doing get them sufficiently faded that they can forget about their terrible lives for a min). Handling fent or carfent is relatively safe when a person knows the profile of the chem they are working with, has a proper .001 scale, knows the procedures for volumetric dosing, and has personal protective equipment (gloves, particulate masks, glasses). You know, all the stuff any competent person working with chems that are active in the ug range knows. After re-reading that, I realize that maybe handling these chems is probably hazardous for your average Joe Junky off the street, lacking that knowledge, with a bag of wicked strong fent and a needle. Definitely something best left to the professionals kids.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: musiclover420]
#24866734 - 12/24/17 09:10 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure they are using at least gloves, I was watching a show on Netflix last night, and the H dealer in the documentary (Dope--made by Netflix) who was cutting bags with fent (even though he admitted was using trial and error to dose the packets) Knew enough about fent that he said he needed to wear gloves so it didn't seep into his pores through his hands. He deifnately seems like a dude who wouldn't clean a scoop after handling fent with it before using it on other chems (coke, molly, ect...). Dirty equipment has to be it though, like I said before, it just wouldn't make sense to give away something that dealers use as a high value active cutting agent to improve the potency of poor quality street dope (or even broke down to sell as fent), unless you intention was to kill people, not to make money (which is the only reason most dealers sell drugs). Dealers want their customers to make repeat buys-keep bringing that money, not kill them. This stuff has to come from lack of knowledge on chemical handlin safey procedures.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: skd5004]
#24867983 - 12/25/17 03:33 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know in my younger days when word got out someone OD'ed on some good H, dude who sold it couldn't keep it in stock, maybe somebody's trying the samething with coke. People are using bug spray to get high so nothing really surprises me anymore.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: pekin420]
#24868081 - 12/25/17 04:57 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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pekin420 said: last week 2 people died in my hometown from cocain with Fentanyl. SCARY SHIT. Y WOULD U CUT COKE WITH IT. IT HAS MADE ITS WAY TO CENTRAL ILLINOIS B SAFE PEOPLE MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
I'll bet Peoria
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: The Truth]
#24868169 - 12/25/17 06:09 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Truth said:
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pekin420 said: last week 2 people died in my hometown from cocain with Fentanyl. SCARY SHIT. Y WOULD U CUT COKE WITH IT. IT HAS MADE ITS WAY TO CENTRAL ILLINOIS B SAFE PEOPLE MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
I'll bet Peoria
People where I live have been dying left and right from fentanyl for the past few years. Always sad to see the tendrils of something like that working their way into other communities.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: Volition]
#24868751 - 12/26/17 03:06 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Volition said:
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pekin420 said: last week 2 people died in my hometown from cocain with Fentanyl. SCARY SHIT. Y WOULD U CUT COKE WITH IT. IT HAS MADE ITS WAY TO CENTRAL ILLINOIS B SAFE PEOPLE MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
I'll bet Peoria
People where I live have been dying left and right from fentanyl for the past few years. Always sad to see the tendrils of something like that working their way into other communities.
Too bad most of the fent analogues are probably coming from greymarket labs overseas in China and other smaller countries...
Seems like the best solution would be just ending the war on drugs but sadly greedy assholes have been fighting to keep it going for decades.
Generally I am against harsh drug related punishments but the people producing and selling toxic rc's should be brought up on man slaughter charges. At least in the cases where they are cutting other drugs with it and not telling people, that is seriously fucked up. It's like selling someone some poisoned food or drink, even worse in some ways...
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: musiclover420]
#24869537 - 12/26/17 01:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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The cut is what makes street dope dangerous and is exactly why all drugs should be legal and regulated. You would think after a 100 years of a failed drug war they would know better and do something different. Drug laws are the very definition of insanity (doing the samething over and over expecting different results).
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: Ogla]
#24869856 - 12/26/17 05:03 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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losfreddy said: I personally can't imagine the two together being a good high
Try imagining harder
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: The Truth]
#24870045 - 12/26/17 06:39 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Truth said:
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pekin420 said: last week 2 people died in my hometown from cocain with Fentanyl. SCARY SHIT. Y WOULD U CUT COKE WITH IT. IT HAS MADE ITS WAY TO CENTRAL ILLINOIS B SAFE PEOPLE MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
I'll bet Peoria
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The Truth said:
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pekin420 said: last week 2 people died in my hometown from cocain with Fentanyl. SCARY SHIT. Y WOULD U CUT COKE WITH IT. IT HAS MADE ITS WAY TO CENTRAL ILLINOIS B SAFE PEOPLE MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: Doc9151]
#24871379 - 12/27/17 11:30 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc9151 said: The cut is what makes street dope dangerous and is exactly why all drugs should be legal and regulated.
As you can see from the OD's, it's not physically possible to cut this substance, in a crude way.
I think, there's a dialectic, in which they push it and penalize it, at the same time. The state is already the marketmaker, imhblo.
A scam was reported, in which they report stolen merchandise (falsely) and arrest anyone who comes to claim it. They are found to radicalize patsies.
I think, anyone calling for authoritarians, to prevent a three ring circus, should learn about Freeway Rick Ross.
Save yourself.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: durian_2008]
#24872233 - 12/27/17 07:21 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I couldn't agree more, in Ricks day we were in central America and had a coke problem. Fast forward to today, we have a heroin problem and our army just happens to be in the poppy capital of the world. Unfortunately most people refuse to believe governments are capable of such things.
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Re: Fentanyl-Laced Cocaine Is Overtaking Miami [Re: Doc9151]
#24872239 - 12/27/17 07:24 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Doc9151 said: I couldn't agree more, in Ricks day we were in central America and had a coke problem. Fast forward to today, we have a heroin problem and our army just happens to be in the poppy capital of the world. Unfortunately most people refuse to believe governments are capable of such things.
The sad part is there is plenty of evidence that at least some parts of the government are involved in the drug trade.
People are in serious denial though.
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