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The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V 7
#24856009 - 12/19/17 02:36 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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 Well, Ziploc, I'm not sure if I should say sorry or you're welcome.

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Hi!  I've been wanting to detail the culturing method I call the "seed petri" tek (formerly referred to as the grain petri tek) as well as explain its purposes and advantages. As is the case with many of my posts, it's meant to be not only instructional but informative, so to those interested prepare for a read. More important instructional details are large and bold.
This method was created to serve as a precursor and foundation to the Cubensis growing technique that has been called the "V-tek" and the Pods version of it I love so much. However it surely has many great uses to all growers!, whether it be as a beginner, hobbyist, or more advanced grower.
First, this old classic about the containers!: Quote:
CONTAINER AGAR DISHES These screw-top containers (I greatly prefer the Ziploc brand) are recycling code 5 which holds up perfectly under hi-pressure temperature (as long as the cooker doesn't run out of water). Requiring no modification whatsoever, they are sterilized with the lids slightly cracked loose. Do not attempt to sterilize them while sealed!
 On the left, a sealed container. Seal them while removing from the sterilizer until and after inoculation. On the right, a container with the lid very loose but still threaded in to where it does not come off when lifted. This is the loosest it should be for sterilization, but it's more loose than it should be for anything except maybe growing grains invitro. In the middle, how I suggest keeping lids cracked - for sterilization or when one's project comes to involve a bit of gas exchange. This is about One to Two of the "notches" around the edge of the lid.
Among their many uses, pint (16oz) containers are re-usable sterilizable "petri" dishes, or simply said, agar dishes. They have a very wide area per dish for colonies to run-out, possibly coming to require fewer transfers and dishes. The photos above of growth on ricewater agar are examples of these in use.
 20-25mL of solution is enough for each dish, so 500mL of prepared agar still makes 20+. Agar can be mixed in a large batch and distributed, or for small or quick batches ~0.5g of agar-agar powder can be put in each container with 25mL.
I have found using these containers to be far favorable to single-use dispose plastic petris for several reasons:- Use a container as such 8-12 times and it's paid for itself and used only a fraction of the plastic, with still more uses to come! I feel all plastics should be permanent-application where possible instead of the revolting wastes of plastic today.
- They can be "pre-pour" sterilized and opened just once for better sterile success chances!
- Since there's no pour involved, they can be allowed to cool however and used whenever instead of making sure to catch it & pour before solidified.
- They have a very wide area for mycelium to run out, so likely fewer dishes and transfers will be necessary, and there's more inoculation power from each one.
- Since they close air-tight no parafilm need be bought or messed with.
I also find them preferable to any other container I have purchased to these ends and others. Their use for any is ideal, and they also can be used for nearly anything!
The only potential drawback I have experienced is the higher sides. This likely will not bother you depending on how well you can handle agar with a scalpel or other choice tool. I quickly learned how to use them without trouble and now experience only the advantages listed above.
The proof of concept for this tek is simple.
A small amount (~3 spoonfuls) of well-boiled uncoated grass seed (or brown rice, perhaps millet, if seed is unavailable) is patted down level in the bottom of unmodified recycling code 5 plastic screw-top containers and sterilized for 1 hour at 15PSI, then inoculated similarly to how one would inoculate a petri dish or other agar container of any kind.
    
     
  
Advantages to petris/agar are similar as well, such as having the opportunity to see mold contams germinate outside of the inoc area if any got in. But there are more advantages as well.
Grains in the radial outward growth can be easily plucked up with sterile tweezers for single transfers, or the whole container just shaken around and broken up to serve as an initial grain-to-grain master source like any other (but with the inoculation power of like half a quart jar of cereal grains). This makes them substantially easier to use from than agar.
Whereas this won't make it especially clear if bacteria are present, it's still useful to transfer *away* from bacteria as they cannot easily spread over the grains like mycelium can.
The containers are reusable of course, and pay for themselves after some uses. The grass seed itself is substantially cheaper for me than agar-agar, and thanks to my methods my agar-agar stores last a very very long time. I imagine grass seed is likely easier for most people to find nearby than agar-agar as well. Brown rice absolutely is, of course.
The tek, not needing to be shaken and in fact needing NOT to be shaken until used/intended, is INCREDIBLY forgiving of poor seed preparation. This is an excellent tek for beginners to become familiar with the preparation of grass seed, or brown rice.
Tied to a few other tricks, ultimately such a method could almost (maybe entirely?) eliminate need for agar-agar, but I love agar-agar too much (at least for slants) to abandon it, and I recommend most growers keep a little around.
And there's probably more, either that I'm forgetting or that I don't even realize.
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This can be done with any mushrooms species that grows well across grain, but this is being offered up as a tek for Cubensis, and the sclerotia "truffles" of Mexicana/Galindoi/Tampanensis, for a few extra reasons to take advantage of these species' capabilities. It's possible to fit almost the entire process of culturing and hunting for clones within this single trick. Even "sectoring" is possible! (More like faster strains running away from the mix, but isn't that just as good or better?)
<<<<<< My favorite picture in this post.
In short, this tek is an immense culturing shortcut for Cubensis and some others, capable of narrowing down lots of genetics with little work and expense, also making the cloning process as easy as possible while telling us a lot about our selections. All in a method that expands the mycelium very little, leaving us with a very young and hopefully powerful culture source!
I'll try and point out those advantages to the method as I explain its facets.
CUBENSIS (etc) CULTURE HUNTING
The tek takes as few transfers as we already might make to expand cultures in agar dishes but eliminates most of the guessing game we play when we put agar cultures to grains for the first time.
This is one of the best and sure ways to get cultures that make the most of techniques like my Seed & Plastic TEK referred to by forum members as V-Tek.
But of course they'll be absolutely incredible cultures on bulk substrate methods as well. I've had cultures do great on bulk but not v-tek, but never seen a culture that performed well for v-tek do less than stellar on bulks.
Bulk substrate serves as both a large water reservoir and what can be thought of as a 360° surrounding casing layer around the grains that provides the culture with the low-nutrition fruiting site Cubensis loves. In that way bulk substrates are like a "culture buffer", explaining why really nice multi-spore results seem so easily and consistently achieved with those methods. Current methodologies have kindof smeared vasoline on our perceptions of mycelium and growing them that even highly adept growers have had little cause to see beyond. The forum here has considered bulk substrate techniques as superior methods for this reason. It's true they're incredibly useful and worth knowing, but the use of bulk substrate materials for Cubensis is so great not because it's such an all-around fantastic way to grow but because it's such a useful crutch... a crutch that I think the growing community has become addicted to.
I don't see adopting methodologies of superfluous labor and expense as a worthwhile price to pay to avoid culturing, especially since methods that ask for that much of a time/money/labor/learning investment also encourage people to culture anyway...
By honing down to those rarer cultures that behave this excellently on strong single-material seed substrates, we're able to substitute the... - purchase - preparation - heat treatment - inoculation - colonization - fruiting space - and disposal, of a very large amount of a weak additional material, for nothing but watering!, using methods like my Seed & Plastic Tek.
The "About Selecting Ideal Cultures" spiel from my original culture tech compilation is HIGHLY recommended reading to pair with this tek!
My preference and strong suggestion is to start from an agar spore germination dish. One important reason why is so that all the seed dishes are started from ready-to-colonize mycelium at the same time, this way you know you can trust the differences in speed you see on the bottoms. Also you get to make one set of appearance selections off that plate, and if you want (and is my suggestion) you can take transfers away from the actual germination sites, leaving many of the spores behind
Here are what mine tend to look like, made by nicking spore flakes right off the print all over the agar:
  
The main idea as per multi-spore culture hunting is to start each container from a different spore germination dish growth site, so be sure to sterilize your tool between each transfer so the different cultures remain isolated in individual containers. Also with small transfers be sure your tool is cool before contacting the culture, either by waiting a moment for a scalpel or, for tweezers/screwdrivers/being in a hurry, dipping in nearby sterile water a moment.
If your spore prints aren't very clean, there's a chance you could put a contaminant in some of your containers. Personally I take all of my prints from sterile-grown invitro fruits on foil sterilized in a container I also print in, so that the spore print is entirely aseptic, and so I don't get any contaminations. More about perfectly aseptic spore printing here!
But beginners can absolutely start from spore syringe to nice effect! This can also give many of the effects of using agar, without any agar at all. Such uses are why I say this can greatly reduce or even entirely eliminate the need for/use of agar, especially depending on the way you choose to integrate this trick into your grow process.
So you have a number of seed petri containers growing different genetic strains of a species capable of producing the target fruit body from grains.
I personally am not interested in slower strains, even if they could be great fruiters. I will choose my strong fruiters from the fastest growers and have the best of both worlds. As a result, I end up throwing out the contents of the majority of containers and reusing them well before they finish colonizing. You can keep them all if you want!, I just think you have better things to do with your reusable containers.
But even the fast cultures will likely take quite a while. From the center to the edge of the containers is still quite a distance for mycelium to travel. Working with mycelium is a matter of patience for sure, but be particularly patient with this technique. That patience will pay off for your later grows, and the hope is that it will actually reward itself dozens of times over by ending up with a consistently fast growing and fast pinning monster culture.
When the mycelium has finished reaching the last seed in a container, crack the lids slightly like you're going to sterilize the containers! This will help to shift their mode, potentially without them insisting on climbing up the side of the plastic, where mycelium will grow their pins much more readily since their primary pinning condition is an area of sufficiently dilute/depleted nutrition.
These containers do not need much of a crack. They could dry out easily and you don't want that. You want the culture, even in fairly high CO2, to quickly produce clusters of mushrooms directly on the open top of the seed. I'd say turning the lid by less than one of it's outer segments is enough to start with until familiar. We also want to keep the contents of the container clean to have an uncontaminated beautiful clone plate in the next step!
I like to label my containers by order of colonization speed. Then when I take transfers from them I label those transfers by that order number so I know what speed colonizer the clone I took is from as well.
Again, be prepared to be quite patient. One major purpose of this method, ESPECIALLY when it comes to using a full grow-out method like "v-tek", is to get that patience out of the way for smaller grows like this instead of on your larger projects, which you can then only put your monster cultures on.
Eventually some of your containers will pin!
Another major purpose of this tek is getting rid of cultures with shitty or annoying pinning habits, even if they colonize fast and pin fast. I like to go for the best of the best in all words if possible.
I hate this.

I hate this.

This is okay.

This is good.

What you really want is a fast-forming dense cluster of pins directly on the top of the highly nutritious seed, from a fast-growing culture.
At this point, in your clean transfer workspace, sterilized tweezers (or perhaps the tip of a scalpel if you must) are the perfect tools to gently pluck your pin selection from the container and place onto an agar dish. .... oooor I guess another seed petri if you really want to. I haven't bothered to do this, though of course it will work, perhaps with some differences in effect.
 
Be sure to get your pins young. This is why...
   
I took the photos very late after taking transfers (I'm really bad about taking photos) but here's an example of what the young pin clone dishes look like when grown out.
   
As an aside, see how mycelium can clear up opaque agar.

I also like to let the containers I cloned from continue to fruit out after that point, to get some idea of the fruit qualities otherwise. In the process I end up getting a noteworthy amount of yield. More than I personally would need/want.

From this point, follow agar transfer methods as normal. Choose the fastest, strongest mycelium that grows from the pin and transfer to a new dish. If it grows with 360° symmetry once the size of a quarter, there's a good chance it's an isolated culture! Hold on to this source dish as a "Master", in refrigeration, having only taken a single sample from it to start a new dish to confirm it is an isolate and from which to do a grow to test the culture's full grow-out traits. Of course, if it isn't an isolate, continue to select the best-looking growth between sectors (segments of growth separated by thin areas - these are strain divisions) until you do get that isolate growth.
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Although this method is fantastic for making the most of effectively the Only non-bulk-sub methodology that still outputs lots of great yield, v-tek, cultures acquired from this method are likely to be the best of the best for bulk substrate methods as well.
However bulk sub users may not experience quite as large of an advantage to culture hunting with this method. Multi-spore, or bulk clones, do well with bulk substrate grows for the reasons I explained above. I offer it as an option for such growers but not heavily as a suggestion. But it's possible that bulk growers may be able to find some advantages, in such forms as abandoning plastic liners or something, instant pinning, easier and less damaging harvests, idunno.
Regardless, the method is as I said before still absolutely fantastic as a culture handling tool! Try it out and let me know how you like it, and how you integrate it into your grow methodology!
Happy hunting!
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Edited by Violet (12/22/17 06:15 PM)
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: Violet] 1
#24856018 - 12/19/17 02:42 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Neat. so Invitro fruiting then transfer the pin to agar. thats cool.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: Ziran] 2
#24856024 - 12/19/17 02:48 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, in that regard it’s pretty simple! Pins would come much more easily using a BRF/verm or bulk sub mix instead but that’s exactly why I don’t use it. I’m not looking to create the best conditions for all cultures, but finding the cultures with the best showing directly off strong nutrition.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: Violet] 1
#24856038 - 12/19/17 02:53 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great tek I'd love to see some sub/seed mixture as the end results compared to just seed. But I understand this is super easy and homogenous. And fast!
the simplicity and originality of this style is very interesting and seems like they could be easily upscaled a bit for large scale with very little work.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: tombosley8] 1
#24856052 - 12/19/17 02:59 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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you could even g2g the seed dish once it hits 100% colonization as well. there are a bunch of applications here.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: tombosley8] 2
#24856058 - 12/19/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yeah and the aspect of culture hunting to find genetics based on your growing perameters is a very overlooked concept on the shroomery that often gets passed off as the ms lottery.
But certain ms cultures definitely prefer different conditions/substrate consistently.
If you can find the one that fits best you'll be very happy to beable to easily reproduce that and get desired results reliably.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: tombosley8] 2
#24856064 - 12/19/17 03:06 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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As stated above, I’m not using bulk subs on purpose.
You could easily adapt the method to that. It’s not even an adaptation, so much as a substrate of choice. But the point isn’t to have the best fruiting possible or I’d just say use the Pods tek with your grain and bulk sub mix. I do yield more than I eat from this tek, but it’s not designed to prioritize actual yield in any way. In fact I want to weed out poor producers on strong subs so avoiding bulk sub is necessary for strong culture hunting. But doing it with bulk style sub mixes will still show fast colonizers and fast pinners.
The scale-up of this method is pretty much exactly the V-Tek
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: Violet] 1
#24856065 - 12/19/17 03:07 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like the idea of little rye seeds used for innoculations. It skips the step of having needs for a Oster blender blade pint jar for making agar LI. I like it.
I think I'm going to family Dollar later. Gonna grab some rye grass seed
No I read it. I get all that. I like borrwing from ppls different teks and seeing what ideas of there will work best for me.
I definitely the idea of pheno hunting I guess you could call it.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: Yesum] 1
#24856099 - 12/19/17 03:30 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seems like a great way to speed up cleaning a culture started from a syringe. I have had some BAD luck dropping spores from a syringe to agar. I feel like this would allow me to use those heavily bacterial syringes. Put a couple drops in the middle of the seed. Wait for mycelium to grow a bit away, then transfer some colonized seed, from leading edge, to actual agar.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: TheMadHatter420] 1
#24856135 - 12/19/17 03:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great write up. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: Subnet Mask] 1
#24856287 - 12/19/17 05:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is cool. It might take reading through a time or two, but it seems like you get to see fruit faster and also have the opportunity to expand to grain for monos pretty quickly.
Good deal! Thanks, V.
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#24856321 - 12/19/17 05:36 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I like the look of this...
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: TheMadHatter420] 1
#24856355 - 12/19/17 05:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ziran said: you could even g2g the seed dish once it hits 100% colonization as well. there are a bunch of applications here.
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tombosley8 said: Oh yeah and the aspect of culture hunting to find genetics based on your growing perameters is a very overlooked concept
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Valuable thread!! Thanks op awesome work!
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: ShroomyToons] 1
#24856486 - 12/19/17 07:02 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hahah yeah I think I mentioned all of those things.
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ShroomyToons said: This is cool. It might take reading through a time or two, but it seems like you get to see fruit faster and also have the opportunity to expand to grain for monos pretty quickly.
Good deal! Thanks, V.
Hi sister!
Unfortunately this definitely isn't a tek for the impatient. The point is indeed to weed out the slower growing and, in part, the slower-fruiting-on-seed strains, but waiting for the whooooole plate to grow out from the center is NOT a quick matter, and the great majority of strains take quite a long time to pin directly from grains (hence doing this to throw those out before using a direct-from-grain/casing tek).
But even if you have an inch of radial growth you can tweeze/spoon up quite a solid amount of colonized seed and start a master grain jar colonizing faster than it would from agar wedges unless you cut up the whole plate. Really easy to transfer with tools, too.
And if you don't mind ruining the puck shape, yeah you can shake these up like a grain jar once you see the growth you want expand to an inch wide, and let it colonize the rest of the seeds like you might do with a small master grain container from an agar wedge anyway.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: Violet] 1
#24856511 - 12/19/17 07:27 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great tek!! Thanks for sharing!


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#24856531 - 12/19/17 07:51 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I should add, if you want to start these directly from spores pretty much the only way to do so nicely is with a spore syringe.
My preference and strong suggestion is to use an agar germination dish as usual.
One important reason why is so that all the seed dishes are started from ready-to-colonize mycelium at the same time, this way you know you can trust the differences in speed you see on the bottoms. Also you get to make one set of appearance selections off that plate, and if you want you can take transfers away from the actual germination sites, leaving many of the spores behind.
Here are what mine tend to look like, made by nicking spore flakes right off the print all over the agar:
  
If your spore prints aren't very clean, there's a chance you could put a contaminant in some of your containers. Personally I take all of my prints from sterile-grown invitro fruits on foil sterilized in a container I also print in, so that the spore print is entirely aseptic, and so I don't get any contaminations. More about perfectly aseptic spore printing here!
But beginners can absolutely start from spore syringe to nice effect! This can also give many of the effects of using agar, without any agar at all. Such uses are why I say this can greatly reduce or even entirely eliminate the need for/use of agar, especially depending on the way you choose to integrate this trick into your grow process.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: Violet] 1
#24856915 - 12/20/17 02:41 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nicely done and explained brother.
I can finally put them back on use. And slightly confident of my sab skills now after a year of practice.

Been following your teks for a year now after ive invested on some pp5. Ive Also tried POMS & ferments.
 
Since ive neglected my cultavation for 6 month. Some on my agar pp5 plates did sporulate invitro.
 Im planing to restart and streak them on new agar
hoping i get it right this time. 1.) after spore streak germinates in agar. - then xfer colonies straight to couple of grain-petri 2.) Then choose that fast colonizer grainpreti - Do couple of transfer of fast sectors to other grainpretis 3.) Wait patienly 4.) Let them pin in-vitro. 5.) Transfer a winner cluster/pin in agar. 6.) Isolate mono culture from agar 7.) Store as master.
[Q] - i still cant find rye grass seed, can i use oats? - isnt it bad going for more than 3-5 transfer from agar?
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: pacmanbreed] 1
#24856956 - 12/20/17 04:03 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why can't you find rye grass seed. Any lawn and garden/hardware store has it. Also Evil-Marts lawn and garden definitely has it.
I always try to go 3-4 transfer from spores. Get a better idea what my mycelium is gonna look like. Also its to help insure your culture is clean.
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Re: The "Seed Petri" TEK, and culture hunting with V [Re: Yesum] 2
#24861598 - 12/22/17 07:48 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have some really nice looking dishes going right now. These photos were taken on day 17, to give you an idea about how long these take, and these are some of the fastest plates out of a batch of 12
-------------------- Intentionally or not, here in mushcult we are purveyors of love culture and enlightenment movement. Let's try to act like it! PODS TEK - Growing Invitro with BRF/verm or Grass Seed containers The simplest, quickest, safest tek! For beginners, culturers, lazy people, stealth lovers, contam haters, and alternative seekers! • Violet's Teks and Posts •
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