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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #24840816 - 12/11/17 10:27 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Litecoin is booming!


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24841553 - 12/12/17 09:29 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Ether rises to all time highs, presently at $600, after breaking out of congestion between $400-$500.  This on the back of news that Swiss banking giant UBS is leading an Ethereum-based blockchain platform.
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"The news that Ethereum is being used as a base identity layer in conjunction with some of the larger banking giants out there is a positive ratification of the technology," Charles Hayter, chief executive of digital currency comparison site Crypto Compare, told CNBC in an email.




Markets have reacted favorably to the release of EOS Dawn 2.0, an important step along this project's roadmap, sending the issue to all time highs today after a prolonged cup basing pattern.  Dawn 3.0 is tentatively slated for release January 31st.  Might be worth placing some bids in efforts to get ahead of.

New issue trading today: WABI.  Using digital ledger technology in conjunction with custom RFID identifiers to verify consumer product authenticity.  Built in incentives for consumer to scan products in efforts to earn rewards, thereby providing additional geolocation and time data to secure the ledger and prevent complacency.  Positive feedback from market testing thus far, mobile apps available in Apple Store, Google Play, QQ Store and Baidu Store.  Presale price was $0.025/wabi (presently a 47x return).  ICO price was $0.25/wabi (3.8x return).  I picked up some today at $1.16.

For those who participated in the Tezos fundraiser, which is what initially prompted me to start this thread this past summer, the Tezos foundation is set to clear its President of allegations of self-dealing made by the project's primary developer, Arthur Breitman (somewhat odd that the Foundation itself is clearing one of its three members, and its highest ranking at that).  The whole thing is a mess, with class action lawsuits against the Delaware based company that holds the intellectual property for Tezos, which was intended to be sold to the Swiss foundation for a portion of the fundraiser proceeds.  Bitcoin Suisse notes that the funds remain held safe, requiring multi-sig authority to use.  The $200-some million dollars worth of BTC and ETH originally raised is now worth over $1 billion, and yet the project is stalled due to infighting and the subsequent legal actions taking place.  Disappointing to be sure, yet HitBTC futures for XTZ are nearing all time highs around $4 per coin.

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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: FlyOnTheWall]
    #24842301 - 12/12/17 04:03 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

did anyone here have money with mtgox back in the day? I expect claims will be paid when we are dying from old age.  :oldman:

amazing gains on the crypto markets lately :cool:

@geo, do you have any tips for spotting relevant news stories early? I've started using twitter for the first time in many years just to have another stream of information.

does anyone have opinions on litecoin vs bitcoin cash?


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Tipote]
    #24843135 - 12/13/17 12:57 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

My belief and understanding is b cash is the Chinese Bitcoin. For all relevant understanding which has centralized operations in China iirc. While lite coin started by Charlie lee or some shit is a near copy of Bitcoin using much of the same tech but has of late been far cheaper an easier to transact with it over BTC hence the giant ramp up imp.
Also noobs on coinbase don't know that you ain't gotta buy a whole BTC so they bought what was cheapest driving up price so a combo of that blows it up..
Speculation is all really crypto is wild..
Except for ether she is a tame lioness.
Bearing cryptokitties as her first offspring.
Now to take on this ubs banking shit.
Woot!
I've got bcash jus a bit tho no lite coin so that is "my portfolios opinion"

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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: ashfiken]
    #24843273 - 12/13/17 05:16 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

thanks.

I think litecoin will do better (without much basis) but roger ver seems to prefer bitcoin cash. he was talking about a bitcoin cash card on twitter and it does seem quite promising. 

apparently coinbase are about to put some altcoins on to join ETH BTC and LTC. I wonder which ones. XRP?

I wonder if christmas will be the same as thanksgiving in the sense that it was seen as a point in time where the legend of cryptocurrencies can be spread among families and friends.. which in turn leads to increased crypto demand.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Tipote]
    #24843336 - 12/13/17 06:36 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

About a week ago I got a basket of 16 cryptocurrencies, each of them I invested in with a token sum, my secondary basket.

That one is up 19+% OVER BREAK EVEN, so in addition to overcoming buy/sell discrepancy.

One week.

I feel like I've adopted a crack dealer LOL, 19% in 1 week?!


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Asante]
    #24843373 - 12/13/17 07:24 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

which alt coin was that?

16 coins are quite a lot to keep track of. Care to share what you went for?


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Asante]
    #24843379 - 12/13/17 07:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Which exchange are you trading on?


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: trendal]
    #24843406 - 12/13/17 07:50 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'm trading mostly on a smaller exchange, less likely to be targeted by hackers than a really big one like Bittrex.

I'm not sure I should namedrop anything because, well, this is the public internet. If anything becomes genuinely valuable, less savory types will be on the prowl as to who has what and trades where.


I obsessed for a few days, literally dawn to dusk research, that works best with my personality structure, and I decided to put a token sum into 16 currencies and I have 4 more that I invest more extensively in.

I seek to ultimately invest into 32 currencies but I;m in no hurry to expand, quality is most important.

Why 32 currencies?

Doublings,

If a token sum undergoes 5 doublings, it arrives at 32x its original size.

I fully expect one of the 32 most prominent currencies to undergo 5 doublings, in which case it pays for the entire portfolio, and any gains by any of the others are pure profit.

I included some very low key ones too, that to me seem to have potential to break out in the long term.

I especially like penny & dollar cryptos, the ones <$10 now, that show signs of viability.

Prominent coins I have high hopes for are Neo, Ether and Bitcoin. A virtual unknown I believe in is Stratis.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Asante]
    #24843413 - 12/13/17 07:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

About my peculiar strategy of a basket of currecies:

If you plant 32 fields with a token sum each, your odds are much better than planting 1 field with 32 tokens, thats investment advice thats as old as the bible (in fact its IN the bible :lol: theres a lot of business advice in the books of Moses, in metaphors of agriculture)

Don't you think out of the top 32 coins, one will make 5 doublings, or at least the "index fund" like investment you make will repay itself? You basically bet on the house, instead of on the player :smile:

Investing in the Top-32 isn't carpet bombing, every one of them is aimed and precision guided.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: trendal]
    #24843465 - 12/13/17 08:33 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

This freight train just keeps on chugging.  Very impressive moves by Ether up to $700 overnight, Bitcoin in a holding pattern around $17K, Monero breaking through $300, and the most impressive move overnight, Ripple more or less doubling from $0.25 to $0.50.  Ripple's pop is likely on account of a Ripple developer being hired at Coinbase, which could indicate that Ripple will be one of the new inclusions on the platform in 2018.  Being the largest US exchange, this would undoubtedly bring new participants into XRP.  There has also been some chatter relating to Amazon potentially interacting with Ripple as a foray into banking matters, but that is unconfirmed speculation at this point.


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did anyone here have money with mtgox back in the day? I expect claims will be paid when we are dying from old age.  :oldman:




Sure enough, I have a 39 BTC claim with the Mt Gox estate, frozen in time at a converted yen value of ~$18k.  With around 25% of original assets recovered, the bankrupt estate initially needed bitcoin to be valued somewhere between $2-3k to pay out all creditor claims as accepted.  With bitcoin pushing above $17k in addition to the newer airdropped issues like BCH, the estate now has $2-3 billion of assets in excess of all accepted claims.  Sounds amazing, right?  Well, the kicker is that Japanese bankruptcy law holds that any excess shall be distributed not to creditors but to shareholders of the company, in this case Mark Karpeles, the person who at best mismanaged the company into bankruptcy and at worst embezzled funds (something he is currently on trial for in Japan).  Yet, he stands to reap a multi-billion windfall at today's bitcoin rate.  If only bitcoin claims were left as bitcoin claims instead of being converted to the equivalent yen value at the time of bankruptcy, this wouldn't have happened.

Crazier still is that people who hold fiat claims are entitled to interest on their claim (interest paid strictly from bitcoin's appreciation in value), yet bitcoin claimants do not receive the same consideration.  Simply stated, it's a shit show... but there is some progress being made.  A not insignificant group of creditors, myself included, have contributed to a legal fund (MtGoxLegal.com), hiring Japanese representation to help unlock a pro-rata distribution of the bitcoin assets to all creditors, instead of dumping the excess back to Karpeles who effectively screwed us in the first place.  It looks like the only way to get this to happen within Japan's legal framework, is to petition to take the company out of bankruptcy and place it into civil rehabilitation.  A couple of large individual creditors made this request last week, which the Japanese court is now examining.  MtGoxLegal will be contributing resources from our own legal team to formulate proposals for how it could work, since the original petition by the frustrated pair of large individual creditors did not seem to offer advisement for how the proceeding could actually execute with fairness, safety and efficiency.  I'll keep my fingers crossed... what was an $11k bankwire to Japan years ago, could reasonably be paid out as an $18k cash return, and in the best case scenario will be returned as $100k or more worth of bitcoin.  Needless to say, I won't be holding my breath.

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@geo, do you have any tips for spotting relevant news stories early?




I have a habit of staying on the newswires all the time due to my involvement in stocks.  Now a days, I just add a cruise through CoinDesk and CoinMarketCap to my routine.  If I notice something moving on CoinMarketCap, I'll dig a little deeper by visiting the project's website, doing some Google searches and often landing on the project's subReddit page or Telegram/Slack group.  I also hang out in a private Slack channel for blockchain enthusiasts, some of whom run their own crypto hedge funds, others who organize crypto related seminars, another guy has a decent subscriber base doing YouTube video reviews on the sector, others who work in promotions for ICO projects and of course, traders like me.


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does anyone have opinions on litecoin vs bitcoin cash?




While I can see the appeal for these platforms given bitcoin's presently sluggish pace and high transaction costs, I don't find that either platform offers a meaningful utility improvement over the other, and would suspect that improvements in scaling proposals on other major chains may take away some of the fire we've seen propelling these issues to new highs of late.  That being said, people will use what they know... and as more people buy into BCH and LTC, the network effect will be hardened, which will improve their longevity prospects.  I don't think too much of them though, sold my BCH in the $450-700's and, unfortunately, never bought into LTC.

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16 coins are quite a lot to keep track of. Care to share what you went for?




My current allocations:
  • Ether (ETH) 28.5%
  • Bitcoin (BTC) 17.3%
  • Neo (NEO) 13.9%
  • Monero (XMR) 9.7%
  • Neblio (NEBL) 9.3%
  • OmiseGo (OMG) 5.4%
  • Ripple (XRP) 4.7%
  • Cardano (ADA) 3.7%
  • WaBi (WABI) 2.7%
  • IOTA (MIOTA) 2.3%
  • Salt (SALT) 1.5%
  • VeChain (VEN) 1%


    Total return thus far: 2350%


Invested but Unissued:
  • Tezos (~17% equivalent)
  • PROPS (~2% equivalent)



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Which exchange are you trading on?



  • Coinbase.com
  • Kraken.com
  • Bittrex.com
  • Binance.com
  • Cryptopia.co.nz
  • Liqui.io
  • LocalBitcoins.com


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24843524 - 12/13/17 09:24 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I am wondering whats up with Binance and IOTA being frozen. Purchased that weeks ago now with the intent to move it somewhere safe and its still just sitting. Can buy more but cant withdraw any.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24843577 - 12/13/17 09:52 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

What do you think of Bitfinex?

I have pretty much always been with them, since I got into the LTC mining game a few years back. I kept my funds as BTC in my personal wallet, so wasn't affected by the hack last year, but I have been hearing other people say I should stay away from them.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: trendal]
    #24843612 - 12/13/17 10:08 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

There are some serious concerns about Bitfinex's association with Tether (click here to read more about that).  Truth be told, I probably would have been a Bitfinex user, but when I attempted to setup an account, they were not allowing fund transfers to/from USD.  Kraken is rolling out a new trading platform alongside their involvement with the launch of CME bitcoin futures next week, you can see a preview of the platform by clicking here.  Although Kraken's current platform is crippled, I believe the work they are putting in will soon allow them to resume their status as a premier and trusted gateway between fiat and crypto investments.


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I am wondering whats up with Binance and IOTA being frozen. Purchased that weeks ago now with the intent to move it somewhere safe and its still just sitting. Can buy more but cant withdraw any.



There appears to be an security vulnerability with the IOTA wallet that needs to be addressed.  Suspending withdrawals is apparently a protective measure until a working patch is put into place.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24843634 - 12/13/17 10:29 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Another mention of ada, I will def get some.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24843745 - 12/13/17 11:38 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, the kicker is that Japanese bankruptcy law holds that any excess shall be distributed not to creditors but to shareholders of the company, in this case Mark Karpeles, the person who at best mismanaged the company into bankruptcy and at worst embezzled funds (something he is currently on trial for in Japan).  Yet, he stands to reap a multi-billion windfall at today's bitcoin rate.  If only bitcoin claims were left as bitcoin claims instead of being converted to the equivalent yen value at the time of bankruptcy, this wouldn't have happened.




wow thanks for the info.. i didn't realise that... That is fucked. I heard recently that he wanted to revive Mtgox with an ICO but apparently he can't. The audacity of this fuckwit!!

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A not insignificant group of creditors, myself included, have contributed to a legal fund (MtGoxLegal.com), hiring Japanese representation to help unlock a pro-rata distribution of the bitcoin assets to all creditors, instead of dumping the excess back to Karpeles who effectively screwed us in the first place.




Heres to hoping..

thanks for your your other responses about crypto news and litecoin. I wish i put more in litecoin, I dont have any bitcoin cash.

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My current allocations:
  • Ether (ETH) 28.5%
  • Bitcoin (BTC) 17.3%
  • Neo (NEO) 13.9%
  • Monero (XMR) 9.7%
  • Neblio (NEBL) 9.3%
  • OmiseGo (OMG) 5.4%
  • Ripple (XRP) 4.7%
  • Cardano (ADA) 3.7%
  • WaBi (WABI) 2.7%
  • IOTA (MIOTA) 2.3%
  • Salt (SALT) 1.5%
  • VeChain (VEN) 1%

    Total return thus far: 2350%





Great choices, I wish i got some Omisego and NEO but i'm trying to prioritise with limited funds.

I'm so inspired by the revolutionary capacity of this tech - beyond finance. It really is changing the world.

at the same time, I wonder how it will be weaponised.

Trump Signs Defense Bill Authorizing Blockchain Study


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: geokills]
    #24843782 - 12/13/17 11:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Kraken is rolling out a new trading platform alongside their involvement with the launch of CME bitcoin futures next week, you can see a preview of the platform by clicking here.  Although Kraken's current platform is crippled, I believe the work they are putting in will soon allow them to resume their status as a premier and trusted gateway between fiat and crypto investments.




I sure hope so, Kraken seems to be in a shoddy state and has been for I dont know how long.

I'm glad to hear about this new trading platform. Kraken is long overdue some development. Thanks a lot for bringing it to my attention!


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Tipote]
    #24844402 - 12/13/17 05:57 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Every online exchange is fucking ridiculously hard to use.


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Re: Cryptocurrency: A Discussion on Bitcoin, Ethereum and Related Projects [Re: Psyche delics]
    #24844453 - 12/13/17 06:18 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Potcoin (POT) exploded today. I happened to take a sizeable position with them purely due to the name. Was thinking of selling off after learning about their strange connection with Dennis Rodman and his North Korea visits. Am considering attempting to sell off on the high now, and either buy back at a dip or reposition in some newer cryptos

Either way, kudos Potcoin!! My plan actually worked haha


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    #24844745 - 12/13/17 09:35 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

POT and THC have growth potential if solely for the propensity of stoners to opt for them :lol:


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