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 Nemesis42
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 Re: Cake not Fruiting  [Re: Mateja]
#24843715 - 12/13/17 11:20 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thing is on the proper surface moisture Tek the Myc seems to have always pearls of water on it.. Mine seems dry in comparison ? And also what do you mean with pics of end results? When the pins form or what.
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Nemesis42] 1
#24843729 - 12/13/17 11:29 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean pics of how you cut the holes mostly. In the Tek I posted is a 60qt monotub whick of course is gonna hold more water than your sub so it is actually evaporating off small droplets as well. You should be able to spot when the substrate seems to be drying out, it should become much lighter in color when it starts to dry out, your look very moist in the pictures at least.
Myclium should look ALIVE in every situation in every corner, but the mycelium in your grow kits looks not that healthy at all. Remember for pins to develop properly you need proper conditions on the surface of the substrate. Do not mist for a day and a half and see what happens with the mycelium, if it starts to recover and grow white fuzzy on the surface or if it starts to bruise. Bruising is often an indication of drying mycelium, the bruising is caused by the stress of drying out. I would say dont mist for at least 24h and after that only mist lightly in the morning and the evening if you plan with fruiting with the bag open partially open, mist directly onto the substrate from above and not onto the sides of the bag. Mist very ligtly at all times, one two sprays is enough, there is enough water in the substrate to produce a flush without drying out, assuming you dunked it in water before fruiting.
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Nemesis42
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Mateja]
#24843767 - 12/13/17 11:51 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I tryed to make a pic of the holes but my cam wont focus  I just made 3 1cm cuts on each side of the bag. Im not gona mist now for 24h and see how the myc is doin then.  Btw theres standing water in the bags should i remove that or keep it for some humidity?
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Nemesis42]
#24843827 - 12/13/17 12:29 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Standing water is where the boogie man (contamination) lives and breeds.
I would remove the water homie.
Edit : Keep us updated on how everything turns out OP! 
Edited by BattyKoda (12/13/17 12:33 PM)
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Nemesis42
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: BattyKoda] 1
#24843932 - 12/13/17 01:28 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aight removed the standing water ill update tomorow how things are going, and thanks for the help guys  
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 Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Nemesis42]
#24844196 - 12/13/17 03:52 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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... and how to estimate surface conditions (wet or dry) ?
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Gele]
#24844209 - 12/13/17 04:00 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mateah said:
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Nemesis42 said:
Also if you zoom in on this this pic the full zoom, you will see how the mycelium is pressed down onto the vermiculite and looks wavy and clearly is shaped by the vermiculite under it. That´s because you are over misting the substrate and the excess water is messing up the growth of the mycelium on top that is trying the produce a pinset. Give it lots of FAE and keep the surface conditions with this Tek. GL
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Nemesis42
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: BattyKoda]
#24846998 - 12/15/17 01:30 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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So heres an update:
These 2 are the B+ cakes :
and this the Golden Teacher strain :
Dont they look too dry? I know the pictures seem pretty gray but its actually more blueish color. (Bruising?) Also what are all those white dots on picture 1 ? (Contam?)
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Nemesis42]
#24847034 - 12/15/17 02:44 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Growbox vendors lie quite a bit when they tell you to just zip it up inside a bag and wait. Your box needs fresh air. You can remove the cake (supposing its a PF TEK grow) from the box, that will only help expose more mycelium and so more areas for mushrooms to form. - You CAN fruit it as is, it doesnt really matter so its a choice of style. Theyre designed to and will fruit straight up I just like to use them as cakes:)
I used to make growboxes myself out of 1200 ML substrate boxes (PF TEK, with VERMICULITE) build a SGFC, most of these boxes are either PF TEK (verm) or Rye.
A 1200 ml growbox they fop off for 40 dollars or 35 Euros about and it costs me about 3 dollars (not including the container) to make one myself. Its about one third the price counting the spore needle if one buys it. So next time you can make a 1200 ML growbox yourself:)
However, I RESPECT YOUR SITUATION and your choice:P:) Check to see what kind of substrate you have. Introduce more light and FAE and I think you should be good:) Build a SGFC:)
Thank you Mateah for your help also. We are all needed. We are all in this together. God bless you all!
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Nemesis42
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So what are these white spots on the cake? Do you think its a contam?
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Nemesis42]
#24847083 - 12/15/17 04:01 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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no theyre pins
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Cakewonder
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fan them reg. introduce more light
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Mateja
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Just give them a one or two tiny sprays with spray bottle in the morning and in the evening and during the day keep an eye on them. I think they will fruit son, looks like mycelium is getting ready to knot up on the top. Doesnt look too bad on this pics. Did you dunk the cakes before you fruited them?
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Mateja]
#24847283 - 12/15/17 07:55 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aight gona mist in the morning and evening. I dunked them for 10 hours i think. why?
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Nemesis42]
#24847288 - 12/15/17 07:58 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you dunked them before fruiting then you dont have to worry about the substrate drying out before the first flush that´s why I asked. Just make sure the surface doesnt dry out too fast. And mist lightly.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=14508610&page=0&vc=1#14508610
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Mateja]
#24851159 - 12/17/17 06:25 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi there again Heres an update after giving the cakes alot of FAE and misting lightly in the morning and the evening directly on the cakes:
As you can see theres quite alot of bruising.  Do you think thats due to misting directly on the cakes? Or could it have to do with temperature drops sometimes? I try to keep the Temp at around 20 degrees but sometimes i got around 18 when opening a window.
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Nemesis42]
#24851442 - 12/17/17 10:28 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lower temps won't cause bruising in your case it's more likely that the substrate is a bit dry, it's haare to see from the pics on my phone imma have to check it out for n the computer later, does it look dry?
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Re: Cake not Fruiting [Re: Mateja]
#24851458 - 12/17/17 10:36 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Indeed i would say it looks dry to me. I already gave the bags a few good mists on the inside of the plastic for a bit humidity.
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