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#24840791 - 12/11/17 10:23 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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If one must find god though faith (and not faith through god)...how do you recommended going about finding faith?
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 Duncan Rowhl
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‘Faith’ should be understood as surrendering all in which you cling to.
That is to say, you should have faith to surrender all that you think you are to the furthest extent that you can, in order to rendezvous with the divine which becomes apparently known when you meet it (once again).
Also known as ‘The Leap of Faith’.
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You set aside all judgements and preconcieved notions and clear your mind and open your heart and actually ask god to show up and help you out, you chant the name yaweh, or yeshua, or jesus christ, or wahe guru (there are many different names for god) and if you do it with fervor and an open mind you will experience the divine and generate a little faith. At least that is how it worked for me. And I was an atheistic psychedelic communist hippy up until a couple years ago.
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If you haven't read him already, Søren Kierkegaard has a lot to say about this question.
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sudly
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Hope says that in the future it could be so, faith says that it is now so.
Where possible I've more so been recently trying not to state absolute truths, but only to put forward what I think are likely probabilities that are reasonable to suggest.
Such as, I have faith that the Earth is most probably a globe.
I found what I consider a resemblance of the idea of god in the nature of the world, the cosmos and the scientifically describable gearing that makes it run.
What I think of as god is what brought together giant clouds of cosmic dust to form the stars that exploded into the cosmic elements that went through the cycles of gravity to form planets such as ours.
What I think of as god is what goes on through the organism to enable reproduction and the survival of a species.
What I think of as god is what keeps me alive and in my case that is my heart and the underlying processes that allow me to feel, and perceive and experience the entreaty of pumping blood.
What I think of as god is nature and all that it encompasses, and all that it allows to happen.
And I have faith that in nature I can have faith because it has provided me with all that I have, all my resources, all my experiences and all of what I consider my knowledge, and I'm grateful for that and I appreciate that I have a chance to be here for it.
When I see that a building can be constructed, and that a bridge can be erected from natural capital, I don't see how I can doubt that there is a capability for nature to evolve, in animals through a natural process and in natural resources through human intervention.
If the idea of god isn't geared into nature then I don't believe I can have faith that it is now so. There is a lot of information about what nature involves, and how things like our planet and the diversity of species upon it came to be.
If someone was to suggest that the idea of god was beyond nature then I personally don't see reason to consider god as a part of nature, and in this view I can not have faith that god, in the idea of being distinct from nature, can exist.
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 Re: Finding God [Re: sudly]
#24841278 - 12/12/17 03:53 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nature = true_god;
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Quote:
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If one must find god though faith (and not faith through god)...how do you recommended going about finding faith?
Let go.
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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe
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I've been having trouble doing that as of late.
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Duncan Rowhl
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Quote:
redgreenvines said:
Nature = true_god;
Certainly a 'down to earth' way of regarding God whilst disregarding the metaphysical...
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I believe God is transcendent of nature
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Pretty sure "faith" is the layman way of describing detachment and trust in nature's unfolding.
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redgreenvines
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this sentence works well without the "detachment", but you can keep it in if your are attached to it.
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Finding God...lol.
He's right here. 
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If one must find god though faith (and not faith through god)...how do you recommended going about finding faith?
Realize God is looking for you and then accept the terror of your situation.
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Nature = true_god;
gtfo
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redgreenvines said:
Nature = true_god;
I am the dark, amongst the winds, divine flame with moan
flying far away - like a silent midnight bell
in the dark of the mountains I set the redness of aurora ablaze
by the spark of my pains, by the star of my impotence
I am the king of comets - but the spirit shreds in me
like dust of the desert into an ethereal pyramid
I am the thunderbolt of storms but silent more than a grave
I hide the deadness and atrocity of my tombs
I am the chasm of rainbows but I'd cry over myself
like a cold wind on the withered reeds of the pond
I am the glow of volcanoes but through the muddy plains
I walk, like a funeral, with dulness and mourning
The sea is playing harps, the fire of edens writhes
and the sun -- my enemy sun! is rising, praising God
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Re: Finding God [Re: WScott]
#24841859 - 12/12/17 12:51 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, I'm digging the necessity of facing dread to find faith.
God (the Father) is like a plan set in motion, one that I may not be able to fully understand.
Nice poem, who is it by? Is it St. John of The Cross?
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Edited by Grateful Dead (12/12/17 12:52 PM)
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I'm
Who?
What I mean is that the 'i am' often takes precedent over the I AM.
I don't know if dread is necessary but who knows.
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Edited by WScott (12/12/17 12:59 PM)
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Re: Finding God [Re: WScott]
#24841896 - 12/12/17 01:10 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel a lot of dread thinking about death and the difficulty I'm feeling trying to find values that can withstand the doubt inflicted when sharing with others.
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Check out jordan petersons lecture series about christianity and how it molded the western world, it is really fascinating, on youtube.
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