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bluemystic
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Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub)
#24837416 - 12/10/17 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey everyone, hope you're all well today. I have questions about my monotub setup if I may pester you for knowledge. Please note that I am doing Bod's unmodified tub tek. Please also note that the tub contains Coco Coir.
First, when looking through the tub I can see water droplets surrounding the entire substrate. Not too, too dense bit droplets all around the SIDES of the substrate.
When I touch the substrate with the back of my hand it feels, dry I suppose. It almost feels packed down a bit, which I certainly did not pack it down. This is probably fine, but perhaps may indicate the substrate is drying out? I'm all 'ears'. I am just a bit confused with the humidity in the chamber. This is all quite new to me.
To clarify, there is no moisture dripping down the sides, only moist looking where the substrate it, pushing against the sides of the tub.
I sprayed 4 shots of mist in there, as the substrate felt dryish on the back of my hand. Any advice would be great, pro-tips, links to articles, etc. Thank you.
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bluemystic]
#24837422 - 12/10/17 10:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quit touchin it. Post a pic. How long ago did you spawn? Are the beads of moisture on top of the sub too? If not it sounds like side pin heaven. You don't really need to worry about the moisture on the tub just the sub surface
Edit: Read this: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053
Edited by Just_A_Noob (12/10/17 10:14 AM)
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: Just_A_Noob]
#24837447 - 12/10/17 10:26 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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bluemystic
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24837566 - 12/10/17 11:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thank you for the info, oh my. Here are quite a few pictures (reverse order), feedback and advice certainly welcome:
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bluemystic]
#24837580 - 12/10/17 11:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Surface is drying out fast, give it a good mist and crack the lid for a few hours and monitor. GL Btw do you keep that lamp that close to the tub all the time? The heat from the lamp can dry out the substrate quicker if its to close to the tub.
-------------------- Cakes inside Water Tub
Edited by Mateja (12/10/17 11:51 AM)
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: Mateja]
#24837598 - 12/10/17 11:56 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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How long ago did you make that tub
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24837613 - 12/10/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
bodhisatta said: How long ago did you make that tub
Today is day 3. Been about exactly 3 days to the hour.
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bluemystic
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: Mateja]
#24837615 - 12/10/17 12:05 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Mateah said: Surface is drying out fast, give it a good mist and crack the lid for a few hours and monitor. GL Btw do you keep that lamp that close to the tub all the time? The heat from the lamp can dry out the substrate quicker if its to close to the tub.
When I touch the side of the tub where the bulb is, it's barely warm. I keep the light there all the time until I get different tubs and sockets with globes/reflector shields.
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bluemystic]
#24837619 - 12/10/17 12:07 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your coir may have been a little under field capacity. Do you check it for correctness?
There should be no need for misting during colonization unless the field capacity was wrong.
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bluemystic
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24837632 - 12/10/17 12:14 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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When squeezing the coir no water squirted out, but it was fairly moist. I think it wasn't wet enough looking back.
I can clean my hands and take a sample now if desired. No water would leak out, it's a bit dry.
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bluemystic]
#24837639 - 12/10/17 12:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Your hand is 37C degrees warm, What feels "barely warm" to your hand can be way too hot for mycelium. No need to have a lamp that close to the tub before you introduce fruiting conditions. I can also see that mycelium is starting to bruise all over the sub so it needs a good misting ASAP but let bod decide the next step in your grow.
-------------------- Cakes inside Water Tub
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: Mateja]
#24837682 - 12/10/17 12:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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did u use a hair over 4 quarts of water for one brick of coir? tell us how much water u used for one brick
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: pekin420]
#24837684 - 12/10/17 12:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find eco earth to require a hair less than 4L or 1gal of water But the grow-it garden store stuff can hold a hair more than 4L/1gal of water. Thats per 650g of only coir
Also some eco earth bricks in the three packs are 680 grams some are 620
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24837709 - 12/10/17 01:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used a brand called Planters Pride, peat-free, 100% coconut coir fiber. I weighed out 650g, which was a brick and a half. I preheated the cooler, which is wider than it is tall. I'll get a water cooler style cooler soon.
I poured 4 quarts of water, waited 80 minutes, and mixed it up. When mixing it up, it was pretty darn hot, tough to tell how moist it actually was. I'd say not moist enough.
I moved the light, it's now 14 inches away from the tub.
Ideally, am I looking for surface moisture, and not moisture down the sides? Also, is this primarily what a tub liner helps prevent?
Worse case scenario, would there be a small harvest? Or could these potentially poor conditions cause cartographic failure, or even mold to spawn instead?
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24837713 - 12/10/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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that substrate needs a thorough misting.
definitely too dry. it shouldnt pull away from the edge of the tote like that so soon. side pin city.
this one is a few days past spawning like yours.

not pulling away. if you are using a chamber and it pulls away like yours did you can assume your bulk was under capacity. just me? id drench that bitch. mist her good. leave the lid off for like 3hrs. cover back up and do your thing.
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: mushboy]
#24837767 - 12/10/17 01:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Id agree with mushboy
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bodhisatta]
#24837801 - 12/10/17 02:00 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You are all so incredibly helpful, my gratitude is ineffable. Thank you; thank you all so much.
I am confused about pulling away. Do you mean that the mycelium is pulling away from the center of the tub and spanning out toward the sides?
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: bluemystic]
#24837802 - 12/10/17 02:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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i mean the colonized coco mass. its pulling away because it is shrinking. shrinking means its loosing volume(water)
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: mushboy]
#24837810 - 12/10/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:

you can see it here best. the substrate should be flush, or pushed up on the plastic. like this..
 no condensation because the mass is filling the bottom of the tote.

the substrate must become the tote
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Re: Help me with monotub moisture and humidity (unmodified tub) [Re: mushboy]
#24837827 - 12/10/17 02:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ah ha, that makes way more sense. I totally get it now, thank you! Excellent!
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