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Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ * 2
    #24834839 - 12/08/17 11:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

:hi:This thread is dedicated to caerulescens.

(Species info here)

*this thread is currently under heavy construction*


Im currently working on caerulescens W. Big thank you to a very shroomy cat lewp!

Im on T2 ms wild, its slower than cubes but not by much very possibly do to bacteria still present, even at this early xfer it doesn't seem to mind the tams and has uniform growth.
(Will update with pics)

If you received a swab from me please post results here along with your notes!:vibin:

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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24834875 - 12/09/17 12:03 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)



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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: cronicr]
    #24834883 - 12/09/17 12:08 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Notes please?


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24834892 - 12/09/17 12:11 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Agar grain to wood mulch lol..i didnt pay much attention to this run just clonized a small amount and tossed it on the porch and put some peat moss on top


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: cronicr]
    #24834904 - 12/09/17 12:15 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Wood hu? What species/variety??


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24834938 - 12/09/17 12:33 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Is this not a caerulescens thread?


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: cronicr]
    #24834946 - 12/09/17 12:35 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

i think he/she blew it


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: championmushroom]
    #24834953 - 12/09/17 12:37 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

dont caerulescens grow around Michigan?


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: cronicr]
    #24834967 - 12/09/17 12:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

P. caerulescens ssp. caerulescens var. albida
P. caerulescens var. mazatecorum
P. mazatecorum
P. caerulescens var. nigripes
P. mazatecorum f. ombrophila
P. mazatecorum f. heliophila
P. mixaeensis
P. caerulescens ssp. mazatecorum var. ombrophila
P. wrightii
P. caerulescens var. ombrophila
P. heliconiae
P. weilii
P. villarrealiae
P. subannulata
P. bispora
P. caribaea

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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: championmushroom]
    #24834969 - 12/09/17 12:53 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Got any pics pf fully developed caerulescens?


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24834980 - 12/09/17 12:59 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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P. caerulescens ssp. caerulescens var. albida
P. caerulescens var. mazatecorum
P. mazatecorum
P. caerulescens var. nigripes
P. mazatecorum f. ombrophila
P. mazatecorum f. heliophila
P. mixaeensis
P. caerulescens ssp. mazatecorum var. ombrophila
P. wrightii
P. caerulescens var. ombrophila
P. heliconiae
P. weilii
P. villarrealiae
P. subannulata
P. bispora
P. caribaea

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caerulescens is the species these are villarrealiae...the fruited for me but slugs got them once they pinned


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: cronicr]
    #24836400 - 12/09/17 07:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Good luck lemur :rockon:

I've been trying to grow p. caerulescens from wild spores, but I haven't fruited any yet. I have a few wild clones on agar now also but they aren't ready to use yet.

This is a unmodified 20qt tub that I spawned on 11/5. MS syringe -> BRF cakes -> CVG. Cakes were inoculated on 9/23. Substrate height is about 6" with a thin casing layer of cvg.


There's some metabolites and a small green spot but the contams haven't been growing for a few weeks. Fingers crossed.


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24836419 - 12/09/17 07:16 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Oh shit now:awetongue:


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24836474 - 12/09/17 07:48 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)



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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: cronicr]
    #24849500 - 12/16/17 11:25 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I don't check this tub everyday. I have some action finally!



Nothing incredible, but I'm excited to have some pins. I cracked the lid on the tubs and moved it under my lights. I think it looks like I might get a few more pins.  There's been an increase of metabolites also. I'm not sure if I'll get another flush, but I have some more attempts on the way.


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24849610 - 12/16/17 12:43 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

:pipesmoke: i wonder if a late casing would be beneficial so much to discover... definitely take a clone of that big one!


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24854392 - 12/18/17 08:16 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Nice to see pins! what temp do you keep your tube for fruiting?


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24854436 - 12/18/17 08:43 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I don't check this tub everyday. I have some action finally!



Nothing incredible, but I'm excited to have some pins. I cracked the lid on the tubs and moved it under my lights. I think it looks like I might get a few more pins.  There's been an increase of metabolites also. I'm not sure if I'll get another flush, but I have some more attempts on the way.



Metabs are common with these no worries


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: cronicr]
    #24854817 - 12/18/17 11:29 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

:popcorn:  :takingnotes:


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: V.L]
    #24857119 - 12/20/17 08:22 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)



Still chugging.  Should I mop up the pools of metabolites or just let it do its thing?

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Nice to see pins! what temp do you keep your tube for fruiting?



Nothing special, my thermostat is set to 68.  It's an older house so temps can swing a few degrees.


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24858578 - 12/20/17 08:20 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

they look nice! for pools it's your's, too much liquid is not really good but to touch a growing tub is not very good too.. soon you can have indoor print of caerulescens congrat :smile:


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24859774 - 12/21/17 12:40 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

What part of the year you'd pick wild 1s?

Id dap it with tp so it doesnt get gooey


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: LemurLemur]
    #24860322 - 12/21/17 04:12 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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What part of the year you'd pick wild 1s?

Id dap it with tp so it doesnt get gooey



I was picking from June until late October this year.  Most of the prints I sent were post Irma. I started taking good prints around that time.

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they look nice! for pools it's your's, too much liquid is not really good but to touch a growing tub is not very good too.. soon you can have indoor print of caerulescens congrat :smile:




Thanks, I'm going to print and take clones of plenty.


I dabbed up some of the metabs. I have two more pins but some of the fruit are showing weird features.  One is flipped over and looks to be sterile.  The other cap seems to be bleached.  I left the lid off for a few hours today while I was working a half day.  Maybe direct light isn't good for these guys. The 20qt tub has an opaque lid.


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24860363 - 12/21/17 04:36 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24860383 - 12/21/17 04:45 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

:bender:i waiting for the dunk, i bet fertilizers would do something :pipesmoke:


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    #24865204 - 12/24/17 06:39 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

These are from today.  Not sure what's going on but everything appears to be sterile. Fruit shape is weird and coloring is off.  :snow:


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24865212 - 12/24/17 06:46 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

:camping:


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    #24867094 - 12/25/17 06:42 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Cute!! maybe not dark but need a try on tinfoil :wink:


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    #24867126 - 12/25/17 07:49 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I wonder the potency :pipesmoke:


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    #24910650 - 01/13/18 01:36 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I've been busy with the holidays, but here's another set of fruit.  Everything has been growing curled and thin, not really sure what that is about.  There's a couple different causes I can imagine.


I have enough dry now to try a potency test.  I'm waiting until I have a chance to do a two week tolerance break from 5-HT2A agonists though.


My minitub started getting some green mold growing on top:


It's still producing fruit so I decide to try some surgery. I've read many posts about how this never works, but hopefully it will at least slow the spread.



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    #24910675 - 01/13/18 01:43 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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    #24923295 - 01/18/18 04:07 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

My tub from November is still going strong. I think I have 7 new pins.  Here's some of them:


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    #24936950 - 01/23/18 08:04 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)



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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24952114 - 01/29/18 01:33 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

:takingnotes:


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    #24954281 - 01/30/18 12:31 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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I wonder the potency :pipesmoke:



Potency is comparable to wild caerulescens.  I tried 4g dry with my girlfriend(each). It was a good time.

I've picked pounds of these.  Stronger than cubes, probably 1:1.5 in terms of potency by weight.  Wild can have some variation in potency, weaker and stronger.


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: lewp]
    #24973345 - 02/07/18 10:51 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)


Great find what kind of spot? Soil? Average temperature at this period? Please</font>


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    #25102806 - 03/30/18 07:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Wish me luck.



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    #25102960 - 03/30/18 08:32 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Oh shit we got Ham onboard :grin:

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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: LemurLemur]
    #25102972 - 03/30/18 08:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yea man, that's just some cased WBS in half pint wide-mouths with grain jar lids.  Going to leave the lids on so everything can bunch up a bit, then once casing layer (50/50+ peat/verm/gypsum/hydrated lime) colonizes a little bit, going to bury jars in a bed of perlite inside of a mini, pre-constructed SGFC, and fruit them. 

I also g2g'ed some colonized WBS into a few quart jars of hydrated and sterilzed organic pine mulch supplemented with wheat bran.  Inoculated that mess a few days ago and it's already recovering strong.  It'll have to be until tomorrow night before I can take some pics and show ya, though.


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: hamloaf]
    #25103417 - 03/31/18 01:09 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I've got a swab! I'll be sure to take notes before I put mine to agar


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    #25109201 - 04/02/18 07:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Here goes those jars of sterilized, supplemented, organic pine mulch 3 days out from inoculation.  :smile:

 


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: hamloaf]
    #25109206 - 04/02/18 07:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Those are looking good! Can't wait to see how they turn out


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    #25109224 - 04/02/18 08:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Plan is to spawn that mulch mix to straw/coir/vermiculite.  :yesnod:


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    #25109251 - 04/02/18 08:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

You gonna run a mono or go smaller?


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    #25109261 - 04/02/18 08:27 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Tray culture.


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    #25109263 - 04/02/18 08:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Nice!


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    #25109271 - 04/02/18 08:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Had I thought of it at the time, I would have used wide mouthed jars instead of small mouth, and gone for some bottle cultures.  :smile:


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    #25109281 - 04/02/18 08:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Right. That's what I think I may do with my swab just to try and get something out of it. Was the pine mulch something you picked up or prepared yourself?


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    #25109289 - 04/02/18 08:42 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Bought from a garden nursery.


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    #25109397 - 04/02/18 09:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Lme 1 spoon to 2 agar in 500ml.

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    #25116347 - 04/05/18 06:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Just before shake.



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    #25122871 - 04/08/18 12:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Psilocybe Caerulescens effort attempt#1.

   

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    #25122878 - 04/08/18 12:20 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Really excited to see how this turns out


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    #25128447 - 04/10/18 03:13 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Finally got these on Agar Lemur. Thanks.



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    #25141425 - 04/15/18 05:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Had some little guys popping up.  Hopefully I can get more fruit from these.


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    #25145675 - 04/17/18 03:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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    #25145733 - 04/17/18 03:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I'm close to being able to put it to grains.


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    #25145736 - 04/17/18 03:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

At some point, someone will stumble upon a culture that does fairly well, and then it is on. We just need this to be domesticated.


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    #25146999 - 04/18/18 01:20 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I think first we need to find out what it likes(conditions/sub) best an put together a solid tek with easily replicable results an then look for specimens for domestication for indoor cult that matches cubes productivity(possibly).


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    #25147368 - 04/18/18 07:52 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I will be looking for specimens from the very start. They should do just fine on compost and coir. I'm going to try spawning straight to coir 1st. If culture is good and clean it should work.


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    #25147484 - 04/18/18 09:50 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

They grow in sunny locations, prefer muddy orangish brown soils with lots of woody debris.  That tells us they like lots of light.  As far as bulk substrate woody soils can be compensated for by using straw, and mulch. 

Opted to use pine mulch, because this species is found growing in abundance in Georgia where a lot of pine trees grow.  Straw will be added for texture, and encouragement of a woody debris like substrate.  Coir will cover brownish soil department (straw/coir).  They fruit well in the low to mid 70's, as well.


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    #25147492 - 04/18/18 09:55 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I cant wait to see what you get.


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    #25193388 - 05/09/18 02:19 PM (1 year, 15 days ago)


Three months later this quart is still pushing up fruit


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    #25208193 - 05/16/18 04:33 PM (1 year, 8 days ago)

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    #25208566 - 05/16/18 07:31 PM (1 year, 8 days ago)

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    #25382152 - 08/11/18 07:38 PM (9 months, 7 days ago)

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Here goes those jars of sterilized, supplemented, organic pine mulch 3 days out from inoculation.  :smile:

 




Super glad to see that. Last year when I took some sprints and tried to inoculate WBS, I uploaded pics and was told it was just mold and to just throw everything outside cuz I probably have better luck. Wasn't very encouraging at all. But now, I have this jar of mycelium that has just been suspended and honey water for about a year and didn't know what to try and do next.



Obviously I need to get syringes. And I had been throwing around the idea of gathering red clay and pine straw and some mulch and mixing it all together and doing it that way. obviously I would pressure cook to sterilize before I put any of the mycelium in it.

I also wanted an opinion on the darker spots inside of it. Are these contaminants? Remember this is a Year's growth. the air was a few of them to start with, and now there's more, but none of them are any bigger than the ones you see and have not gotten bigger for a very long time.


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    #25634433 - 11/23/18 02:46 PM (5 months, 27 days ago)

Hey guys!  Wondering if any of you are still working on Caerulescens grows?  I have a few SB’s, 3 T3 clones and 2 T5’s from a wild print I took this summer.


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    #25679196 - 12/14/18 04:56 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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    #25679495 - 12/14/18 07:31 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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    #25682849 - 12/16/18 01:19 PM (5 months, 4 days ago)

Already inoculated two jars of rye seed with my clone LC and they’re caking up with myc! 

Here’s one syringe of the LC and pics of GS:



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    #25764405 - 01/24/19 12:45 AM (3 months, 28 days ago)

Sorry for the bump, but I wanna watch this one... :takingnotes:


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    #25765507 - 01/24/19 03:43 PM (3 months, 27 days ago)

Unfortunately I didn’t have any luck producing fruits on my previous grows and turned my focus to cubes for a while.  Also had a stretch of contaminated batches of agar so I was dealing with mold and bacteria but now I’m back on track.:-)

Just getting back to trying my hand at Caerulescens again and have a new phenotype I came across in my experiments on agar that is looking promising. (I will post pics at the bottom)

This particular phenotype came from me experimenting with P. Caerulescens and it’s resistance to mold.  A while back I swabbed a contaminated plate with spores from a wild print I took this fall.  I let the plate grow until it was covered in green mold except for where the Caerulescens spores were germinating.  As I was hoping, the spores started to resist the mold and made a visible defensive barrier.



I very carefully took a small transfer from the center of the area the Caerulescens spores had germinated.



I was also experimenting with different types of agar during this time.  (Definitely too much going on at once so I’ve slowed down significantly).  This is T2 of the experiment on DFA.



Was looking like I had got away from the mold in just two xfers but it ended up coming back.  However I turned this into something I could learn more from and started a second experiment on agar. (Not going in depth on X2 at the moment, but I will).  This is the plate I took my T3’s from.



This is where I started to have issues with contaminated batches of agar which I believe was due to damaged caps on my media bottles and some of the agar recipes I was trying. 

I have since got new media bottles, went back to a standard LME agar recipe (7g agar -> 7g LME -> 400mL distilled water) and contamination issues appear to have stopped.  Unfortunately I don’t have pics of my T4’s and T5’s because I was focused on getting clean plates of agar.

That brings me to T6 which was on LME agar and is the phenotype I mentioned at the beginning of this post.

Pics of T6:


Finally felt good enough to take it to grain and transferred to rye grass seed on 1/19.

GS jar as of 1/23 which is where I’m currently at. 



This phenotype is acting similar to how Panelaeous does on grain.  Still trying to figure out what substrate to try this time.  Right now I’m thinking about a mix of coir, hwfp and dried/sterilized red clay.

Other subs I’ve tried so far:  CV, straight coir, coir:hwfp and straight hwfp.

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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: Brain Bulb]
    #25770794 - 01/26/19 10:33 PM (3 months, 25 days ago)

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Other subs I’ve tried so far:  CV, straight coir, coir:hwfp and straight hwfp.





Does this mean you've tried fruiting with these substrates? What were your spawn rates, and generally your fruiting protocol?

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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: straightedge]
    #25859050 - 03/07/19 07:43 PM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Im keep this thread alive yall...

Ps. caerulescens from Cherokee County GA
day 10, temps ~22C (20-24):



agar>GWLC>WBS
10cc GWLC : 4qt WBS




agar>GWLC> "mix"
(~2:2:2:1:1++ wbs : fir shavings : coir : coffee : oat bran + oyster + gypsum)
10cc GWLC : 4-5qt "mix"

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    #25859628 - 03/08/19 12:04 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

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Other subs I’ve tried so far:  CV, straight coir, coir:hwfp and straight hwfp.





Does this mean you've tried fruiting with these substrates? What were your spawn rates, and generally your fruiting protocol?

At what point are you marking it down as a fail?





Sorry just saw this.  Yes I have tried fruiting with these substrates with no luck.  I wasn’t as focused on conditions during my first few runs and I considered it a fail when the subs started showing signs of contamination which took a month or longer on a few. 

I have 3 new runs going now based off of @CaptainFuture’s Weilii tek that are looking good so far.  Have a grow log going so I’ll have better documentation going forward. —> https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25798110


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Im keep this thread alive yall...

Ps. caerulescens from Cherokee County GA
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agar>GWLC>WBS
10cc GWLC : 4qt WBS




agar>GWLC> "mix"
(~2:2:2:1:1++ wbs : fir shavings : coir : coffee : oat bran + oyster + gypsum)
10cc GWLC : 4-5qt "mix"

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    #25859722 - 03/08/19 12:59 AM (2 months, 16 days ago)

Yeah BB, thank you! we're still workin on those, everything's on agar, but the only heat in my house is in my grow room, none in the lab, so everything moves slowwww brrr. we kinda just follow the flow of what looks ready to come out n play.
we should have some work from your samples comin out soon, I think we put the "summer" sample away for a later date, but working a few plates from the "winter" sample.

its just getting started ova here, we've now sourced several different samples of SE USA caerulescens, eventually we'll get a few all runnin at the same time.

we gon' be rrreal good friends, caeru n I, yes we are.

using the lc, we can test various substrates & conditions, compare results

working on a full proper grow log, will post in due time

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    #25863061 - 03/09/19 02:04 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

SB #1 - Day 13 since cased.  Casing is not colonizing but I’m starting to see growth on the surface.  Think it needs more FAE so I’m leaving the lid off for the day.  Saw a recent post from Roger Rabbit stating that myc grows around the casing.  Hopefully this is what I’m seeing.



Myco bag #1 - Day 11 since cased.  It’s had more FAE than SB#1.  Had a lot of moisture in the bottom of the bag so there have been a couple days, off and on, where I’ve left the bag open.



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    #25863609 - 03/09/19 06:11 PM (2 months, 14 days ago)

Nice! what is the casing layer, cactus soil?

this wbs bag is bout colonized. we'll probably let it go another week or so to consolidate further, but then what idk. was thinking just case the grains, keep it simple, should get at least a few fruits right? but while drifting to sleep the other night, thought popped up to expand.

-should we case the grains and just go?
-should we prep some bulk sub, then
      -dump colonized grains into bulk sub?
      -dump bulk sub into colonized grains?

probably would just keep things in the bags if were going to expand, as moving both grain spawn and bulk subs to a new separate container is just adding an extra step for contams to enter.

it could be informative to see how just cased grains compare to bulk sub mix tho

we just dumped some oyster spawn into a bulk bag of coffee-straw, but it looks like it going green. so thats discouraging. i fear this place is just too old and moldy to open bags for transfers, can only get away with quick move precision of forceps & syringes.


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    #25866917 - 03/11/19 04:00 AM (2 months, 13 days ago)

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Nice! what is the casing layer, cactus soil?

this wbs bag is bout colonized. we'll probably let it go another week or so to consolidate further, but then what idk. was thinking just case the grains, keep it simple, should get at least a few fruits right? but while drifting to sleep the other night, thought popped up to expand.

-should we case the grains and just go?
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      -dump bulk sub into colonized grains?

probably would just keep things in the bags if were going to expand, as moving both grain spawn and bulk subs to a new separate container is just adding an extra step for contams to enter.

it could be informative to see how just cased grains compare to bulk sub mix tho

we just dumped some oyster spawn into a bulk bag of coffee-straw, but it looks like it going green. so thats discouraging. i fear this place is just too old and moldy to open bags for transfers, can only get away with quick move precision of forceps & syringes.





Thanks!  These are my best looking attempts so far but I have yet to produce any fruits. 

I’ve been doing spawn to bulk recently and so far so good.  I’ve tried several other methods with no luck.  Even just casing GS.  The Caeru myc seems to metabolize grain quickly if you don’t have something mixed with it.

Method used so far is agar ~ grain ~ bulk sub ~ casing.  Spawning in jars then transferring to myco bag to colonize sub, then transferring to SB.  Let it recover 2-3 days before casing.  Probably going to do an LC for the next batch.

Sub I’ve been using is 30% Straw, 30% straw pellets, 20% pine shavings, 20% hpoo PC’d for 4 hours at 15 psi. 

These two are cased with peat, verm and perlite with CaCO3 to bring the pH up to 7 - 7.5.  I cased my 2nd SB with Miracle Grow Potting Mix which already has additives to raise the pH.  Going to see how it performs and if it does well, use it going forward.


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    #25872191 - 03/13/19 07:11 PM (2 months, 10 days ago)

Update 03-13-19:

Day 24 - SB#1 is starting to develop hyphal knots!  The sub seemed overly wet so I took the lid off and put it in my GH which is currently set at 75% RH.  This has allowed the moisture in the sub to evaporate but the casing has stayed wet.





MB #1 is showing the most growth of the 3 experiments and I noticed my first primodia forming!  Sub was looking too wet in the bag as well so I left it open in my GH for a few days.  Once the sub was dry and it looked like dry patches of the casing were showing I took it out, watered the dry patches with a syringe and re-clamped the bag.



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    #25873373 - 03/14/19 10:17 AM (2 months, 10 days ago)

Just got a wild print today and pretty excited since I wasnt expecting to receive it. Hopefully I'll have something to show you guys later in the year.


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    #25874643 - 03/14/19 10:09 PM (2 months, 9 days ago)

I've got a swab from the original poster lemur from about a year ago that I just found gonna put it to agar and see what I get tomorrow


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    #25874845 - 03/15/19 12:11 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

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Just got a wild print today and pretty excited since I wasnt expecting to receive it. Hopefully I'll have something to show you guys later in the year.




Nice!  That’s how I got started.  They started growing in my yard a couple years ago.  Very resistant to contaminants.  Even with wild prints I’ve never had a contaminated plate with initial inoculation, only if something was wrong with my agar and everything got contaminated.

This grow log from @CaptainFuture has been the most helpful for me.  Made some minor changes but don’t have any results yet.

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    #25874889 - 03/15/19 12:44 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

Nice one:thumbup:

I got some semperviva otg from CF too lol. I've had like 3 of 5 tubs contaminate so for though lol.


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Nice one:thumbup:

I got some semperviva otg from CF too lol. I've had like 3 of 5 tubs contaminate so for though lol.




Are you using rye grass seed, rye berries or oats?  Any time I’ve used RGS I have problems with contamination.  Oats have worked best for me.


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    #25875093 - 03/15/19 04:13 AM (2 months, 9 days ago)

I'm out of oats, I can get a bag easy enough but it's a 15 minute drive and I dont have a car atm. I only have wbs. They're such a pain to get right :shrug: I find cold soaking for like 24 hrs works best for me (after picking all the shit out of it).

Only good thing about them is how small they are, oats are far easier to use though. Might have to make an effort to get some tomorrow.


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    #25880488 - 03/17/19 06:24 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

Im new so how does this compare to cube or pan? Im wondering which type would be grown from a medium of 

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    #25880527 - 03/17/19 06:44 PM (2 months, 6 days ago)

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Is there any difference in strength between Caerulescens and Cubes?


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    #25882358 - 03/18/19 07:14 PM (2 months, 5 days ago)

caerulescens are supposed to be a good 2-3x ++ the potency of cubensis, but I think it they can vary quite a bit
I’ve not yet tried them myself, that’s just what I read

I think caerulescens are considered either a secondary or tertiary decomposer of wood, not sure how well it does on fresh wood chips, but old wood, sawdust, straw, manure, pine needles, leaf compost are things it seems to prefer.

You could try brf/Verm/worms, but my first thought is it might like something more fibrous
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    #25882816 - 03/19/19 12:13 AM (2 months, 5 days ago)

I haven’t taken a full therapeutic dose but I ate one shroom, probably 1/2g dry, as my microdose before going to work and I started tripping while talking to my supervisor.  Totally lost concentration, supervisor was talking but I wasn’t comprehending what he was saying.  Didn’t have full visuals but every had a halo around it that moved in and out with each breath.  I can only imagine taking 2-3g.  Hopefully soon! 

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    #25888975 - 03/21/19 09:58 PM (2 months, 2 days ago)

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    #25890060 - 03/22/19 01:39 PM (2 months, 1 day ago)

Nice! Looking forward to your results, I've also been working on these.


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    #25891988 - 03/23/19 01:53 PM (2 months, 23 hours ago)

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Nice! Looking forward to your results, I've also been working on these.




Thanks!  Spotted some trich on the bottom of the box so I’m hoping the fruits reach maturity before the trich takes over...  On a side note there are quite a few more pins coming up and the first couple are getting plump!  Here are the best pins so far.




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    #25892743 - 03/23/19 09:46 PM (2 months, 15 hours ago)

those first two bags i had posted went bad. this was first time trying bags, so still figuring it all out.

looks like contams got in during inoculation, no injection ports on the bags, just duct tape. few lil yellow n green spots. either spent too long squirting lc round the bag, or the seal covering the injection site was not secure, maybe both- either way, must have let some dirty air in. contams are mainly concentrated near injection site.

got a second round coming. it looks better, ill post pics in a few days. but we nocced up the second round BEFORE noticing the contams in first round, so did not modify technique a whole lot. probably got a better seal over the hole, but still took time squirting lc round the bag.

if these go bad too, then will try again, this time put a dab of rtv silicone on the bag, boom! injection ports, should solve the contam issues. third times a charm, right?

the bad bags went into potted plants. they were all both 75% colonized or more, so hopefully something pops up.


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    #25897145 - 03/26/19 02:52 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

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those first two bags i had posted went bad. this was first time trying bags, so still figuring it all out.

looks like contams got in during inoculation, no injection ports on the bags, just duct tape. few lil yellow n green spots. either spent too long squirting lc round the bag, or the seal covering the injection site was not secure, maybe both- either way, must have let some dirty air in. contams are mainly concentrated near injection site.

got a second round coming. it looks better, ill post pics in a few days. but we nocced up the second round BEFORE noticing the contams in first round, so did not modify technique a whole lot. probably got a better seal over the hole, but still took time squirting lc round the bag.

if these go bad too, then will try again, this time put a dab of rtv silicone on the bag, boom! injection ports, should solve the contam issues. third times a charm, right?

the bad bags went into potted plants. they were all both 75% colonized or more, so hopefully something pops up.




That sucks man.  Definitely been there.  This is my 7th or 8th attempt with a lot of agar work. Was a lot of trial and error.  @CaptainFutures Weilii grow log got me on the right path.  I’d check it out if you haven’t already.  My method was print ~ agar ~ GS ~ MB with sub~ SB.  Going to try LC on the next batch.  Keep at it!  If I can help I’m happy to share the limited knowledge I have.


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    #25897174 - 03/26/19 03:35 AM (1 month, 29 days ago)

So far SB#1 is the only thing that is fruiting.  I used 3 different phenotypes and 3 different methods.  Think this next round I’ll use the same method on all 3 to see if it makes a difference.

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    #25908090 - 03/31/19 05:40 PM (1 month, 23 days ago)

ok we got a new bag, same LC.

this is 20 days after inoculation

sub: 1:2:1:1 WBS:"manure mix":"SG mix":fir shavings

"manure mix": 6:4:3:2:1 horse manure: coco: oat bran: wheat straw: verm

"SG mix": 2:1:1 sweet gum wood: sweet gum gumballs: sweet gum leaves

theres a small bit left to colonize at the bottom, and think it needs some time to digest the wood, but looks about 95% colonized, no sign of contaminants.

will probably leave to consolidate for another week or two, then idk gotta case it with something... we might try to find some red clay soil, mix 2:1:1 clay:peat:sand, with just a pinch of verm... suggestions??
if we were to case with red clay soil, wouldn't that be relatively acidic? whereas most casings we prepare are slightly basic, right? thoughts??

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    #25908784 - 04/01/19 02:02 AM (1 month, 23 days ago)

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ok we got a new bag, same LC.

this is 20 days after inoculation

sub: 1:2:1:1 WBS:"manure mix":"SG mix":fir shavings

"manure mix": 6:4:3:2:1 horse manure: coco: oat bran: wheat straw: verm

"SG mix": 2:1:1 sweet gum wood: sweet gum gumballs: sweet gum leaves

theres a small bit left to colonize at the bottom, and think it needs some time to digest the wood, but looks about 95% colonized, no sign of contaminants.

will probably leave to consolidate for another week or two, then idk gotta case it with something... we might try to find some red clay soil, mix 2:1:1 clay:peat:sand, with just a pinch of verm... suggestions??
if we were to case with red clay soil, wouldn't that be relatively acidic? whereas most casings we prepare are slightly basic, right? thoughts??

we'll prep some more bags soon with silicone for injection ports, should solve contaminant issue.






Nice!  Let me know how those subs work out.  I ended up planting my mycobag outside bc it wasn’t really doing anything, the weather’s getting warmer and it was getting loaded with trich.  Just did a few A2G transfers to get my next batch going. 

Fruits are growing extremely slow in SB#1 but I have one that the veil broke on recently.:-).  The rest are still pins.  Weather is supposed to be nice in a couple days so I may put my tub outside.  It’s also loaded with trich now.



As far as casing I had the best luck in SB #1 which was: 

Peat Moss 7 cups
Vermiculite 3 cups
Perlite 2 cups
Water 6 cups
CaCO3 to bring the pH up to 7 - 7.5.

I packed it down as much as I could since they are growing in an area with thick red clay, sand and dirt in my yard.  Only thing I’m going to change up is the depth.  Since I’m packing it down I’m only going to use about 1/2” instead of the 1.5” that was recommended the last time.


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    #25968185 - 05/02/19 02:49 PM (22 days, 22 hours ago)

Started up a new batch of Caerulescens a couple days ago.:-)

This batch is with spawn from the wild prints I took last Oct./Nov.  Changed my spawn to sub ratio from 1:1 to 1:2 and am using a 12 qt boot box.

Spawned 4/28:



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    #25977678 - 05/07/19 01:26 PM (17 days, 23 hours ago)

T1 that started from the spores my indoor Caerulescens dropped!  Just took 4 more transfers.





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    #25977706 - 05/07/19 01:43 PM (17 days, 23 hours ago)

Here's my best effort so far. I was away for a week and the temps dropped so all my jars and plates were on a go slow. I think everything is picking up again now though



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    #25977768 - 05/07/19 02:24 PM (17 days, 22 hours ago)

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Here's my best effort so far. I was away for a week and the temps dropped so all my jars and plates were on a go slow. I think everything is picking up again now though



Edit: I reduced the file size of the pic too much:shrug:





Looks like healthy myc.  This strain in general colonizes and fruits very slow.

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    #25977848 - 05/07/19 03:16 PM (17 days, 21 hours ago)

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This strain in general colonizes and fruits very slow.




The mycelium grew just fine for me, but yeah getting it to fruit is ~3 month colonization/fruiting period. My best results were with just coir.  Any fruit pics brain?


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    #25977882 - 05/07/19 03:36 PM (17 days, 21 hours ago)

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What are you planning to use for sub?



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    #25980023 - 05/08/19 04:27 PM (16 days, 20 hours ago)

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This strain in general colonizes and fruits very slow.




The mycelium grew just fine for me, but yeah getting it to fruit is ~3 month colonization/fruiting period. My best results were with just coir.  Any fruit pics brain?




I had a ton of aborts but two reached maturity about a month after spawning.  After the second fruit trich took over.


Fruit 1:




Fruit 2:



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    #25980382 - 05/08/19 07:41 PM (16 days, 17 hours ago)

Not bad. You said you got a print too? I thought everything I was growing was sterile but I let some go past prime and those put out some light prints.  Haven't gotten around to trying those spores yet. I'm glad to see someone else trying and sharing.


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    #25980976 - 05/09/19 01:39 AM (16 days, 11 hours ago)

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Beautiful mushrooms Brain Bulb

Caerus are tricky and you got them to fruit. Keep at it! :sun:

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    #25982164 - 05/09/19 04:48 PM (15 days, 20 hours ago)

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Not bad. You said you got a print too? I thought everything I was growing was sterile but I let some go past prime and those put out some light prints.  Haven't gotten around to trying those spores yet. I'm glad to see someone else trying and sharing.




Yeah I meant to post this pic as well.  F2 spores still haven’t germinated but this is the print from F1.



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    #25984062 - 05/10/19 03:18 PM (14 days, 21 hours ago)

These plates are from F1.  F2 hasn’t germinated yet.

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Beautiful mushrooms Brain Bulb

Caerus are tricky and you got them to fruit. Keep at it! :sun:

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    #25994639 - 05/15/19 06:10 PM (9 days, 19 hours ago)

alright yall, advice needed

we got that spawn bag, fully colonized, opened 4.9.19. cut the bag so the top half is exposed, both top and top half of sides, but bottom & lower sides are still in plastic. all sides cased with with peat moss mixed with river clay.
its been like 5 weeks. top gets misted bout every-other day. maybe a week or two ago, the block was submerged in a pot of cold water for a few hours, trying to super-hydrate + cold shock. the block sits open air in the grow room, under some banana plants. temps range from ~68F at night to ~86F during the day, hard to keep steady this time of year, but mostly sticks round 78F. humidity also fluctuates, but my guess is its usually between 70-80%. theres a fan in the room, not directed at the block, but providing steady airflow.

i do see new growth coming through the casing layer where the plastic still covers.

i know these guys are supposed to take a while to pin, like 6-9 weeks seems standard. its bout to be show time! any advice on how to get this block to start popping???
do i need to work on keeping things consistent? are these temps okay? does it need to be wayyy humid? should limit the FAE for a week or something, then re-expose to air??

its supposed to be drizzly-rainy for the next week or so outside, but its warm spring rains finally, even a lil muggy out... i am wondering if i should maybe set the block outside somewhere?? we have successfully fruited atl7 outdoors in May a few years back, and iirc have seen posts of folks collecting these with caerus at same time/same site...

trying to be patient here, but also getting anxious like maybe we should do something to create better fruiting conditions.... help!!


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: spitzenkorper]
    #25998433 - 05/17/19 07:44 PM (7 days, 17 hours ago)

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Good work so far spitzenkorper. Cool to see you are playing with Caerus.

The river clay is an interesting choice.  These guys don't really need it, I would leave it next time.  The clay will just thicken our casing making it tougher for pins to form.

If your block is thick and you added wood, then pins will take longer.  I've found that Caerulescens doesn't require much wood or even any at all. I've done both fresh and composted wood at less than 10%, 5%, and none, and found them to still produce normal fruitbodies. 

In regards to your fruiting environment, those temperatures are fine. I would increase the humidity though as much as possible (close to 100%) to help induce pins.  We want the environment saturated up until pins form, then add the fresh air as needed to form the fruitbodies.  I wouldn't even use the fan even if it isn't directed at our block.  Just by you entering once a day to check brings in plenty of fresh air already.

Unfortunately if we are using a wood dominant substrate, we will have to really be patient and wait.

Best thing you can do for now is maximize the humidity and keep the temps as warm as possible so our pins will quickly arrive.

Okay goodluck!  :bliss:

If you have spare spawn, I say start a new tray with a new sub of mostly hummus (composted horse manure), straw pellets and verm.  Keep it thin an inch or two thick and see them definitely fruit in 3 weeks at room temperature.


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: saralove]
    #25998971 - 05/18/19 02:54 AM (7 days, 10 hours ago)

awesome, thanks for the advice sarah!

the river clay was chosen because  its said that the georgia populations are usually found in red clay, and then theres a video on youtube of mass fruiting from a sheer wall of jungle landslide, looks like sandy clay.

(if you are reading this thread and have not seen the video that im referring to, video search "caerulescens derrumbe", 2min9sec, and prepare to have your mind blown!!)

the clay casing layer is thin, ~0.5"
the whole block is about 4x4x12". it is HEAVY, from soaking, like as heavy as a gallon of milk, maybe more, 8-10lbs. but solid, dense, if it were to drop to the ground, it would just thud, not break.

there is definitely some wood in this mix. ~30% wood, ~10% each of doug-fir shavings, twigs, and crushed gum balls (both from sweet gum trees). i suspect the bigger twigs might take some time to digest, myc moves right through the gum balls.

the fan is on because the space is primarily a grow room for plants, which grow much more sturdy with just a lite steady airflow.

for now, we might just put the block into a tote with a lid on, open it once each day. that will increase humidity, and can keep the fan on plants. when the pins start popping, open the tote & leave it open.

there is PLENTY of culture left. we will try some manure & straw-based mixes in the future, but bout to relocate in just a few weeks, so cant start any more projects until after. will then have much more time and resources to put toward myco projects tho...

i will not be surprised if this block starts pinning mid-move, thats the way life goes round here lol


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: spitzenkorper]
    #26000040 - 05/18/19 04:29 PM (6 days, 20 hours ago)

I tried a mix of HWFP’s, wood chips, coir and pine needles a while back and didn’t have any luck. 

The first time I tried @CaptainFuture’s sub recipe I was able to get a couple fruits.  I’m using 30% straw, 30% straw pellets, 30% pine shavings and 10% hpoo for sub.  2:1 sub ~ spawn ratio this go around. 

Casing I’m using is just a basic potting mix with some CaCO3 added to bring the pH up to between 6 - 7 @ 1” - 1.5” thick.  I’m going to add earth worm castings to the casing on the batch that’s almost ready.  When I find them growing wild in my yard there are always earthworm mounds around and I tested the pH of the soil which is why I started adding CaCO3.

This pic is several days old and the sub is now fully colonized.  Going to case tonight!



I set my temps at 80F during the day and dropped down to 75F at night.  Humidity was set at 85%.  Think I’ll try what @saralove recommended and set it at 100% until they start to pin.


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    #26000058 - 05/18/19 04:47 PM (6 days, 20 hours ago)

Actually have a great phenotype from one of my experiments that’s colonizing oats almost as fast as cube myc.  Again, these pics are a few days old but the jar on the left is one of my Roatan clones, right is Caerulescens.  Caeru was spawned on 5/06 and cube on 5/08.



Pics of GS from yesterday, I believe, of the Caeru jar.  Made up some more sub last night so I’ll be spawning tonight. :-)



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    #26000275 - 05/18/19 07:34 PM (6 days, 17 hours ago)

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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: spitzenkorper]
    #26001853 - 05/19/19 05:40 PM (5 days, 19 hours ago)

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I tried a mix of HWFP’s, wood chips, coir and pine needles a while back and didn’t have any luck. 

I’m going to add earth worm castings to the casing on the batch that’s almost ready. 

This pic is several days old and the sub is now fully colonized.  Going to case tonight!

Humidity was set at 85%.




Wood prolongs everything for this species.  I so happy when I found out on my own that they don't even need it all. :sun:

Worm castings will make our casing nutritious.  It can confuse the mycelium and we might have a tougher time with pinhead formation. But, I always say first hand knowledge is better than second hand, so definitely play and see for yourself.

Those temperatures are perfect but definitely maximize the humidity as much as you can.


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Nice! Cool block but looks dry. Definitely will be happier in a much more humid environment if you can provide it.


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: saralove]
    #26001975 - 05/19/19 06:44 PM (5 days, 18 hours ago)

put the block outside for a bit yesterday to get some natural rain water.
then put the block in tote, misted inside. also have a chakruna plant in there, think the plant needs higher humidity as well.

checked the tote this morning, all is still wet, so thats good i guess, humidity increase achieved. pins look the same.

bumped the heat up a lil in the room too.

yes, the top of the block is dry, but gets misted bout every other day, then let it dry for a day, then repeat. trying to stimulate pins by evaporation. the parts still covered by plastic stay moist
i thought the river clay would hep retain moisture, but it actually seems to dry pretty quickly, then its compact & crusty.

anyway, i think these are about pop off, just give it like one more week


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    #26002521 - 05/20/19 12:44 AM (5 days, 12 hours ago)

Nice looking pins @splitzenkorper!  Hope you have better luck than I did getting them to fully mature.  I think mine started aborting due to inconsistency in conditions. 

Rounds 2 - 4 currently in various stages:

#2 - Almost ready to case.  Thought it would be ready last night but not quite.



#3 - Spawned yesterday and recovering nicely.



#4 - First jar of indoor Caeru GS colonizing!  Started with spores from first indoor fruit on agar.



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    #26007052 - 05/22/19 11:36 AM (3 days, 1 hour ago)

Update:

My first grow I used 6qt SB’s.  This time I used 12qt BB’s to increase the sub: spawn ratio.

Round #2:  Cased last night using regular potting mix with a small amount of CaCO3.



Round #3:  Spawned on 5/18, this is by far the best culture I have used.  Looks very healthy and is colonizing quickly.  Pics are from last night.



This phenotype actually started from an experiment I did testing Caerus resistance to mold.



Round #4:  First batch using spores from my first indoor fruit!  Spawned 5/20, starting to recover.



Made a minor change in my sub.  Last time I used 30% straw, 30% straw pellets, 20% pine shavings and 20% hpoo.  This time I used @CaptainFuture’s recipe I posted earlier. 

Last time I had several things going in my GH.  This time I’m dedicating it solely to my Caerulescens so hopefully that will help reduce the number of aborts.


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Re: Official Caerulescens cult thread♤ [Re: Brain Bulb]
    #26009494 - 05/23/19 04:09 PM (1 day, 21 hours ago)

I have been playing with the mycelium of this Genus for a little while, only tried fruiting once and had similar problems as those above, I get a few fruit and that's it.

I realized that they will colonize over cooked oats really well, faster than if the oats were done correctly.

I noticed that the tubs I had tried to colonize indoors would contam out before pinning, but when I dumped them in the mush compost pile t;I would get a few more fruit.  With that said,  I am going to try pasteurization of some horse stall compost,red clay and sterile horse stall compost with red Georgia clay. For a casing I will pasteurize pine needles and Georgia clay at different ratios: 1:1 1:2 1:4
Pine needles/clay, I will also reverse the ratio to see what happens.


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