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InvisibleKthxBye
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All views are true, but none are the whole truth.
    #2483365 - 03/30/04 01:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Fire is hot.
Compared to the sun, fire is cold.

Water sustains life.
Water takes life.

What about numbers?
2 + 2 = 4
Right?

What you must understand is that they were 4 before you added them, and so added are still 2 plus 2, 1 plus 3, 10 minus 6, and any other combination.

Seeing as all things are unique there can be no true number of objects besides 1

0 included. It is impossible to concieve of something that is not in existence or composed of things in existence.

Cross posted on OTD as well...lets see how the different forums respond.


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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: KthxBye]
    #2483558 - 03/30/04 02:30 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.


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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: KthxBye]
    #2484282 - 03/30/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

All views are equally true.. For those who sleep

For all who have awaken, it is the same truth, ONE..


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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: KthxBye]
    #2484445 - 03/30/04 07:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"There is no absolute and everything is relative, so we must judge according to the circumstances."



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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2484723 - 03/30/04 08:25 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Relativism is not the answer.. neither is absolutism however.
A sort of middle ground is required.


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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: NariusFractal]
    #2484853 - 03/30/04 08:52 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I usually figure that while there can be relative relativism, you have to be able to get out of bed and drive to work in the morning. Therefore, an amount of objective assumption can be made.
"This chair might turn into a wombat, but I'll sit on it anyway, because it's damn unlikely."


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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: KthxBye]
    #2484861 - 03/30/04 08:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Truth is impossible to know except for what you personally experience, but even then it is only what your perception tells you.


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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: KthxBye]
    #2484927 - 03/30/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Some truth evades logic, syntax, and rhetoric. It looms in the big picture, transcendent of any boundaries that you can impose with your mortal mind. I alone am familiar with this truth of epic proportions.


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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: KthxBye]
    #2486661 - 03/31/04 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

**Insert random brain fart here**


I agree with some of the consequent posts, but what exactly was the point of the original? What do you mean?

"Seeing as all things are unique there can be no true number of objects besides 1. 0 included. It is impossible to concieve of something that is not in existence or composed of things in existence."

It is impossible to convcieve of something that is not in existance. Do you include advanced branches of mathematics where people can comprehend worlds with dimensions which are physically impossible in this universe?Or were you talking in profound metaphors?

Maybe I'm just not enlightened enough to comprehend, but that smells a wee bit like BS.


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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: KthxBye]
    #2486685 - 03/31/04 11:44 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

"Seeing as all things are unique there can be no true number of objects besides 1"

So, if I understand, when I have an apple in my left hand and one in my right I say I have two apples. But this is assuming that the left apple =1 and the right apple = 1, which is to say that they are identical - which of course they are not. Therefore taken together they do NOT equal 2.

What about subatomic particles, does anyone know if they are identical? I would guess that the only thing we can say about subatomic particls is what state they are in (actually the uncertainty principle excludes even that possibility). So if the state of particles defines them, they will always be unique. Unless two particles are sharing exactly the same position and velocity, but if that were the case then 'they' would actually be 'one'.

Uh...sorry about all that.


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Re: All views are true, but none are the whole truth. [Re: Source]
    #2525589 - 04/04/04 09:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

As for the molecules, in the most pure view when looking at an apple we would only consider its individual and unique atoms. But because we do not see reality fully, we come up with these artificial designations. An apple, or apples to describe items that are necessarily not the same.

Subatomic particles -> Atoms -> Molecules -> Specific apple -> granny smith apples -> All apples -> all fruit -> etc.

any of these ways of looking at an apple are "true"


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