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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Quadman]
    #24827247 - 12/05/17 08:36 AM (6 days, 23 hours ago)

If you cant find the paper pellet mulch or Scotts mulch, there is also wood pellets in the cat litter sections in most shops.
Not as easy to use, as it's usually recycled pine, you will need to hydrate with calcium carbonate water.

Pine contains inhibitory materials, which breakdown to higher pH and over time, so on.

Liming Requirements And pH Modification For Pine Wood Chips (2014).


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #24827398 - 12/05/17 11:00 AM (6 days, 21 hours ago)

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #24828352 - 12/05/17 06:42 PM (6 days, 13 hours ago)

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If you cant find the paper pellet mulch or Scotts mulch, there is also wood pellets in the cat litter sections in most shops.
Not as easy to use, as it's usually recycled pine, you will need to hydrate with calcium carbonate water.

Pine contains inhibitory materials, which breakdown to higher pH and over time, so on.

Liming Requirements And pH Modification For Pine Wood Chips (2014).



Great info! For now I think I'll use the hardwood pellets, but in the future when I have more room to experiment and have multiple stages of grows around I think I'll give that a shot.

edit: At least for the reishi, may use the paper litter for oysters.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Thufir_Hawat] * 1
    #24828500 - 12/05/17 07:45 PM (6 days, 12 hours ago)

mulch isn't for weed prevention, its actually terrible for that. landscape fabric is for weed prevention. mulch lowers evaporation rates in the soil, which means the soil retains water better. I've worked jobs that was nothing but pulling weeds out of mulch because the company made it a point not to install the fabric, thus ensuring maintenance jobs.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Munchauzen] * 1
    #24828534 - 12/05/17 08:01 PM (6 days, 12 hours ago)

Any weed seeds that fall into mulch will germinate and grow, regardless if there is landscape fabric under it or not. The main point of discussion is safety of using mulch for producing mushrooms.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Quadman]
    #24829210 - 12/06/17 05:55 AM (6 days, 2 hours ago)

Hi guys,

I have attempted my first agar mini round following Past's Tek, but many questions popped into my head while working in the SAB and after:

SAB work:
- I was confused between using 70% alchohol for the SAB and dish soap?
- While doing the work I noticed I had to get out of the SAB a few times with my hands, and was wondering if this was a problem? I did this to flame sterelize the needle. (A good tek would help if anyone knows one)
- I had a lot of water coming out of the foil when unwrapping my mini rounds, this happened inside the SAB, so I was a bit confused on how to handle that.

Incubation:
- Is it necessary to put foil on the lids after inoculation to incubate them? I always assumed this was not necessary because you want GE and foil would prevent this.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Quadman]
    #24829215 - 12/06/17 06:04 AM (6 days, 2 hours ago)

Has anyone around here ever tried growing agarikon? There is a tree I pass on the side of the road once a week that has a growth on it that looks similar to agarikon. I haven't gotten a close look yet because it is in someone's front yard. I have been thinking about stopping and asking if I can try to clone it. I am just wondering if someone would share their thoughts on preferred agar recipes and substrate for agarikon? I don't want to end up needing to stop and ask for tissue more than once. Also, I'm wondering if I should go for it now or wait till he weather starts to warm back up?


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Time Tourist]
    #24831063 - 12/07/17 02:03 AM (5 days, 6 hours ago)

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Hi guys,

I have attempted my first agar mini round following Past's Tek, but many questions popped into my head while working in the SAB and after:

SAB work:
- I was confused between using 70% alchohol for the SAB and dish soap?
- While doing the work I noticed I had to get out of the SAB a few times with my hands, and was wondering if this was a problem? I did this to flame sterelize the needle. (A good tek would help if anyone knows one)
- I had a lot of water coming out of the foil when unwrapping my mini rounds, this happened inside the SAB, so I was a bit confused on how to handle that.

Incubation:
- Is it necessary to put foil on the lids after inoculation to incubate them? I always assumed this was not necessary because you want GE and foil would prevent this.




Soapy water is my preference. Alcohol is smelly and evaporates much faster, and is potentially more dangerous to flame sterilize near. Plus expensive. Some people use bleach water, but it's pretty stinky and shitty to work with.

Coming out of the sab for sterilizing tools is fine, just be smooth going in and out.

I've never had water issues, the pasty plate tek recommends putting a piece of folded paper towel on top. If you're already doing that, then I'm not too sure what to tell you.

You don't need to leave the foil on. It won't hurt your GE if you leave it on, but it's just unnecessary.

I suggest looking up some of the videos on here about using a SAB. There are some really good ones. Including some of how to work with the pasty plates specifically. Good luck!


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Boromyc]
    #24831139 - 12/07/17 03:13 AM (5 days, 5 hours ago)

A lot of people, including myself, deal with water creeping under the foil. I haven't found a great solution to avoid it, but you can dry them out in a Ziploc with the bag open or a little shoebox tote with the lid half-cracked. You definitely don't want the paper towel soaked.

Come out of the SAB as many times as you need, but reapply your 70% before entering. Do it slowly and smoothly and only when necessary. And yes, always come outside to flame your needle/scalpel. Never put a flame in the SAB.

I wipe out my SAB after each use with the leftover iso-soaked paper towels. But only spray with lightly soaped water, never 70%. You want shit to fall to the ground or stick to the walls (that's what the water is for), you don't care about killing shit. Remember: STILL Air Box, not Sterile or Sanitized Air Box.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: stareatclouds]
    #24831144 - 12/07/17 03:23 AM (5 days, 4 hours ago)

:whathesaid:
I've never used pastey plates but, if I did , I'd just put them on a veggie steamer and get them out of the splash zone.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Spotter]
    #24831182 - 12/07/17 04:21 AM (5 days, 3 hours ago)

My kingpins!



Put this bag in the martha, the other one still needs to pin...


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Spotter]
    #24831184 - 12/07/17 04:23 AM (5 days, 3 hours ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24821304/page/1

Coded a pasteurization controller. 
Current code has a few errors. I'll be uploading the corrected code tomorrow. 

One temp probe monitors the substrate.  Once it sees substrate reaches 155F a 60 mom timer is started.  The other probe controls the temp.  If 170f or above is ever reached during the process an indicator will be illuminated.  After core temp is 155 for 1 hour the process stops. 

Can be fitted with an LCD display.
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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: vatman]
    #24831462 - 12/07/17 10:17 AM (4 days, 21 hours ago)

vatman, I plan on documenting my controller builds so other people can use them and not reinvent the wheel.  What about asking to create a separate category under the Mushrooms, Mycology and Psychedelics Message Board called something like "Electronics, Controls and Automation"?

Once the builds are finalized, they can be archived in a separate heading under Mushroom Info.

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: thunderfarm]
    #24831974 - 12/07/17 03:03 PM (4 days, 17 hours ago)

Seems fine in the DIY section doesn't it?  It's where I posted my 'log' / thread of my automated growhouse..

But yeah any such documentation is of course very welcome...  maybe I ought to post my current version of my code.

The thermostat controller is a more general and accessible device though so good job :smile:


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Solipsis]
    #24832119 - 12/07/17 04:05 PM (4 days, 16 hours ago)

Nice coding, if you still get a bug PM me again. I forgot to reply to your message earlier.
Although I am better at building engines more than debugging 3rd party code.

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24832653 - 12/07/17 08:29 PM (4 days, 11 hours ago)

I had a few bugs. I cleaned it up. I'm still waiting on parts.  This is not reinventing anything just automating what is all ready done. 


I don't currently grow so I'm just going to be showing a demo of how it works provide the source and build any if anyone requests.

An electronics user group could be created. 


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    #24833929 - 12/08/17 03:16 PM (3 days, 17 hours ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24833649#24833649, I updated my journal.

Efficiency depends on the materials used, and end ratios, some experimentation is required.
You can test small samples, I'm getting standard efficiency @ 1.2% nitrogen.

Take into account starch is in vitro, and has pH limitations.

Refer to my pocket guide for enzymes and pH.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather] * 2
    #24833963 - 12/08/17 03:44 PM (3 days, 16 hours ago)

Quick tip:

How to calculate adding nitrogen to wood, paper, card, other "cold" substrates, using your favorite brand of soluble nutrients.
The additive should be bacteria and carbon free (starch, sugar free), basically 100% macro-micro nutrients, vitamins.

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We will work with wood for now, that is 50% usable carbon, 0.1% usable nitrogen (we need about 1.2%).
So 100g of any wood pellets will be: 50g carbon, 0.1g nitrogen, that is a C:N ratio of 500:1 (weak).

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Now to your chosen brand, or brands if a mix, lets say you have the following, NPK: 25-10-10.
25% Nitrogen, 10% Phosphorus, 10% Potassium. (-75% = N, -90% = P, -90% = K).

So per 1g that is: 1 - 75% = 0.25g [N], 1 - 90% = 0.1g [P], 0.1g [K]

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You need to add about 1.1g nitrogen per 100g wood.

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather]
    #24834173 - 12/08/17 05:34 PM (3 days, 14 hours ago)

The Effects of Temperature and Nutritional Conditions on Mycelium Growth (2015).
It's a good read on the effects of several types of carbon and nitrogen.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Ferather] * 1
    #24834318 - 12/08/17 06:38 PM (3 days, 13 hours ago)

I always find your avatar very fitting to the type of posts you make. What a freak you are! In a good way, but damn, you really seem to get a kick out of getting things just right to the extreme, don't you? :lol:


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