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 Hpoo? 
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So me and a friend are gonna Attempt a bulk grow using damions5050 tek in a monotub, using 6 pounds of rye grain spawn bags, 1 brick of coir and 2 quarts Vern but I was worried that the coir and vermiculite wouldn't have enough nutrients as a bulk sub so I was gonna go down to a horse pasture down my street and get some horse poo for nutrients. But I had a couple questions before I go grabbin horse shit.
1. What's the most efficient way to prepare it?
2. How much hpoo should I use to work with the ratios mentioned above? I don't want to accidentally use to much and end up contaminating the hole grow
3. When it comes to pasteurizing should I mix it all up with the coir and vermiculite and pasteurize it all together at the same time or do it separately?
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Coir is just as nutrtitous and twice as forgiving.
A typical 66 qt tub ya need roughly ten qts of bulk.
Yes you could mix it all up n pastutize
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Besides that we use so much spawn when growing cubes that you're overly nutritious to start before even adding substrate
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So should I pass on the horse poo then? I just heard that coir has little to no nutrients so that's the only reason I thought I should use hpoo
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Coir kicks ass
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Coir is so easy. I'm new to it and haven't had a shoe box fail yet. Ditch the shit. Coir is so simple.
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So should I pass on the horse poo then? I just heard that coir has little to no nutrients so that's the only reason I thought I should use hpoo
I am getting ready to do a mono with a hpoo, coir, gypsum mixed sub. If you have a source of AGED hpoo it is a great bulk substrate medium....That being said IT MUST BE PROPERLY BROKE UP AND PASTEURIZED. When you mix your substrate ingredients I would load it in quart jars(after field capacity) and use alum. foil lids. Use a cheap meat thermometer to make sure YOUR PASTEURIZATION TEMPS STAY IN THE 140-160 degree range for at least one hour-1.5. Do not let the temp get hotter than 170 for any longer than ten minutes or your sub will become more susceptible to molds.....There are beneficial microbes in hpoo that will eat mold but it must be properly pasteurized in order to retain them.
You just have to be careful and precise when using aged hpoo, make sure every piece of hpoo gets completely broken up. The less chunks in your sub the better!! Faster, more even colonization.
Proper pasteurization is key with the poo!!! 
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So should I pass on the horse poo then? I just heard that coir has little to no nutrients so that's the only reason I thought I should use hpoo
I am getting ready to do a mono with a hpoo, coir, gypsum mixed sub. If you have a source of AGED hpoo it is a great bulk substrate medium....That being said IT MUST BE PROPERLY BROKE UP AND PASTEURIZED. When you mix your substrate ingredients I would load it in quart jars(after field capacity) and use alum. foil lids. Use a cheap meat thermometer to make sure YOUR PASTEURIZATION TEMPS STAY IN THE 140-160 degree range for at least one hour-1.5. Do not let the temp get hotter than 170 for any longer than ten minutes or your sub will become more susceptible to molds.....There are beneficial microbes in hpoo that will eat mold but it must be properly pasteurized in order to retain them.
You just have to be careful and precise when using aged hpoo, make sure every piece of hpoo gets completely broken up. The less chunks in your sub the better!! Faster, more even colonization.
Proper pasteurization is key with the poo!!!
In other words he says yes use the coir
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Coir is so easy. I'm new to it and haven't had a shoe box fail yet. Ditch the shit. Coir is so simple.
Like cron said, coir is more forgiving because it doesnt have any beneficial or harmful microbes so there's really nothing to pqsteurize, its just good to "cook" the coir (pasteurize) so the myc can eat it easier.
You could do some grows with coir until you get more comfortable with the concept of pasteurizing poo..... aged hpoo is a great substrate material though. Many mushroom cultivators take advantage of it...... coir is just easier, more fool-proof and less of a hassle I think for most people.
I use hpoo because I can get A LOT of it.....I always mix some coir with it and usually finely chopped straw too.
I'll admit tho, after losing a tub to contams for whatever reason, I am tempted to just use straight coir.....but I will not abandon my hpoo!!! Lol
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I'm a fan of manure.
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back when I first joined this site, I used the tek's available at the time. at one point I had a yard of hpoo in my garage composting lol. Once you familiarize yourself with how to use it, it is pretty easy and good.
Then I forgot about the hobby for a decade. Came back recently to try a PF tek for old times sake. I was overwhelmed with how the methods have changed and evolved over time. I tried Coir for the first time recently and holy fuck! its so much more forgiving and easier to use. And it doesnt make your house smell like a barn while pasteurizing. Best of all, my wife is no longer pissed at me for using pillow cases for pasteurizing the poo in the pots we used for cooking food lol.
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Re: Hpoo? [Re: FlusH]
#24826311 - 12/04/17 05:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am currently in the process of breaking up some aged hpoo and mixing it with coir and a small amount of chopped straw. It is no easy task getting the compressed hpoo nuggets shredded....a small amount is no biggy, but I am doing enough for twelve quarts!!!
I keep talking breaks because it is a exhausting staying hunched over a trash bag of poo manually using my hands to break it up so it pasteurizes and colonizes evenly..... Yeah coir is great and I am currently using it as well, but as growers we should probably try and give our shrooms a variety of different foods so they don't get bored lol. It wouldn't be good if everyone just used coco coir. It would be a drain on the resource.
So yeah I am a fan of aged horse manure, its just a real pain in the ass processing it for substrate use, I mix coir, chopped straw, and between approx. 7-10% gypsum by total volume of my sub. All that stuff really fluffs the sub up, but currently mine is not as fluffy as I would like.
Anyone have suggestions on an efficient way of breaking up aged hpoo or tricks to fluff it up? Add more dry coir? More gypsum? (without vermiculite) Im having a hell of a time with mine.....
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I like manure but I wouldnt go out of my way or pay for it. Coir is just as effective in my experience, at least when we are talking cubensis.
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I like manure enough to go out of my for it. I live in farming country so manure is readily available to me, as well as, providing a service for folks by picking up their manure. Also, I've pasteurized so much manure in my day that pasteurizing manure is second nature for me. It's a great bulk susbtrate material for cubes.
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Has there ever been a controlled experiment between coir + poo and coir + verm with a clone to determine if adding poo made any difference? There has to be some hard facts about poo grows right? I feel that there are many old debates here that could easily get dissolved with some 'science' and I understand that some just love poo and dont care it works for them, i can totally understand this, I will admit I wish I could grow with poo but I live in an apartment house and out my window is on the first floor right out on the street and neighbors would notice right away, maybe even I fall in love in poo later who knows. But up until now I have hear this debate many times but never seen anyone post anything related to like a debunking or confirming experiment with poo and coir. Maybe someone knows of something like this and can point me in the right direction? I will experiment with this some day, but not anytime soon.
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Re: Hpoo? [Re: Mateja]
#24826386 - 12/04/17 06:16 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Would need an isolate for that.
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Re: Hpoo? [Re: Mateja]
#24826449 - 12/04/17 06:46 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Has there ever been a controlled experiment between coir + poo and coir + verm with a clone to determine if adding poo made any difference? There has to be some hard facts about poo grows right? I feel that there are many old debates here that could easily get dissolved with some 'science' and I understand that some just love poo and dont care it works for them, i can totally understand this, I will admit I wish I could grow with poo but I live in an apartment house and out my window is on the first floor right out on the street and neighbors would notice right away, maybe even I fall in love in poo later who knows. But up until now I have hear this debate many times but never seen anyone post anything related to like a debunking or confirming experiment with poo and coir. Maybe someone knows of something like this and can point me in the right direction? I will experiment with this some day, but not anytime soon.
Last coue i seen was pastys and dialateds both of which used isolates both of which showed coir having the upper hand.
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I'm not arguing for which one is better. Only that I prefer horse manure because it's free, easy for me prepare, and the picking of it provides a service for others. 
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Actually, I generally mix both coir & horse manure at equal parts. 
  
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I love diverse substrates as well
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Thanks cron i will check it out! Im already reading PFs documents on pdf thanks for that as well.
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I'm not arguing for which one is better. Only that I prefer horse manure because it's free, easy for me prepare, and the picking of it provides a service for others.
This I can really appreciate 
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Re: Hpoo? [Re: Mateja]
#24826645 - 12/04/17 08:15 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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My latest tub thats what I am doing as well. Its roughly half and half anyway, with a little chopped straw in there to act as "highways" for the myc to jump around through the sub!! Lol.
Yeah i agree, coco coir is great to mix with with the poo! 
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Has there ever been a controlled experiment between coir + poo and coir + verm with a clone to determine if adding poo made any difference? There has to be some hard facts about poo grows right? I feel that there are many old debates here that could easily get dissolved with some 'science' and I understand that some just love poo and dont care it works for them, i can totally understand this, I will admit I wish I could grow with poo but I live in an apartment house and out my window is on the first floor right out on the street and neighbors would notice right away, maybe even I fall in love in poo later who knows. But up until now I have hear this debate many times but never seen anyone post anything related to like a debunking or confirming experiment with poo and coir. Maybe someone knows of something like this and can point me in the right direction? I will experiment with this some day, but not anytime soon.
Last coue i seen was pastys and dialateds both of which used isolates both of which showed coir having the upper hand.
What is the full screen name of 'dialated'? I cant find matching username in the search function..
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Re: Hpoo? [Re: Mateja]
#24827102 - 12/05/17 02:26 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's like 3-6 people who will tell you poo = more potency
Azur, Hamloaf, Eatyualive, Blackout, and some other old school TCs too
There's like 30+ people who will tell you it's genetic, and then after that environment/conditions and then after that substrate that's important. and of course having clean spawn otherwise everything else is a bust.
(Cronicr, SpitballJedi, pastywhyte, rogerrabbit, pussyfart, blindingleaf, workman, myself and a bunch of other non TCs who are smart too.
there's no reason to believe poo or coir are superior substrates. the superior substrate is what you can get easily, get cheapest, use comfortably, get results in your environment, circumstance, etc... ie what works for you best.
in the bucket only goes water, coir, verm, and gypsum if you have it.
everything else needs proper pasteurization
your genetics play the biggest role in potency and yield. if you use agar and play with clones and isolates you'll get much better results
if you play with dialing in your fruiting conditions, fruiting chamber, environment, lighting, moisture content, etc... you'll get better results
if you change your ingredients(so long as they're prepared correctly) you won't notice much difference if you're using the same cultures.
many people attribute their successes to the changes they make while they're learning. rather than just becoming more experienced. so in this way a lot of people attribute different ingredients to better performance. rather than the fact that they just got better as time whent on and they tried different things.
at this point the best you can do is get your feet wet. do what seems best for you
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Well, I am going to give Hpoo and straw a run. I want to grow bellas and torks, and the sub should do well for cubes as well, so I'll be giving it a try in the next few weeks.
I can do a side by side of coir alone and the straw poo as I have a couple bags from the same master jar waiting in the fridge. It won't be perfectly scientific, but anecdotally, it should give a valid comparison. As long as my pasteurization of the poo is on point, that is.
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Chances are if you did two coir tubs or two manure tubs you would see some differences. So your comparison won't be shedding any light. Do 20 tubs one way and 20 the other.
People just starting off do exactly what youre about to do. Whatever tub happens to do better will be cemented as the better way for you for years to come if you believe your test was reasonable. This is how people get so opinionated. Well i did a side by side 4 years ago with the first few tubs ive ever done and one substrate worker better so that one IS better.
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Re: Hpoo? [Re: Mateja]
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Re: Hpoo? [Re: Mateja]
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There's like 3-6 people who will tell you poo = more potency
Azur, Hamloaf, Eatyualive, Blackout, and some other old school TCs too
There's like 30+ people who will tell you it's genetic, and then after that environment/conditions and then after that substrate that's important. and of course having clean spawn otherwise everything else is a bust.
(Cronicr, SpitballJedi, pastywhyte, rogerrabbit, pussyfart, blindingleaf, workman, myself and a bunch of other non TCs who are smart too.
there's no reason to believe poo or coir are superior substrates. the superior substrate is what you can get easily, get cheapest, use comfortably, get results in your environment, circumstance, etc... ie what works for you best.
in the bucket only goes water, coir, verm, and gypsum if you have it.
everything else needs proper pasteurization
your genetics play the biggest role in potency and yield. if you use agar and play with clones and isolates you'll get much better results
if you play with dialing in your fruiting conditions, fruiting chamber, environment, lighting, moisture content, etc... you'll get better results
if you change your ingredients(so long as they're prepared correctly) you won't notice much difference if you're using the same cultures.
many people attribute their successes to the changes they make while they're learning. rather than just becoming more experienced. so in this way a lot of people attribute different ingredients to better performance. rather than the fact that they just got better as time whent on and they tried different things.
at this point the best you can do is get your feet wet. do what seems best for you
What the heck is this crap? That's some slander. I'm glad I didn't help,you with your greenhouse now. 
My response is that I prefer manure for the reasons stated in this thread earlier. Final answer.
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Thanks cron i will check it out! Im already reading PFs documents on pdf thanks for that as well.
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I'm not arguing for which one is better. Only that I prefer horse manure because it's free, easy for me prepare, and the picking of it provides a service for others.
This I can really appreciate
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I'm just going to try it for the heck of it. Not to prove or disprove that coir or poo is better. It's really for the heck of it and nothing more. And I don't have the room to do 20 tubs each in a side by side.
Maybe poo actually DOES work better for some people. Maybe coir actually DOES work better for some people. There's just more than one way to skin a cat or grow mushrooms. No big deal.
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There really isn't a "better". It's mainly subjective. My issue is with those who can't keep others names out of their mouths to gain them a sense of superiority.
Furthermore I've done hundreds and hundreds (maybe even a thousand ) tubs over the last few years all kinds of different ways and the conclusion I've drawn is that I like horse manure, and I ain't skimping on the gypsum anytime soon. Im NOT coming from a position of doing a few tubs four years ago or any misinformation like that. Coir is cool too. Like I said though, horse manure is easy for me to source and it's free.
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Re: Hpoo? [Re: Mateja]
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Has there ever been a controlled experiment between coir + poo and coir + verm with a clone to determine if adding poo made any difference? There has to be some hard facts about poo grows right? I feel that there are many old debates here that could easily get dissolved with some 'science' and I understand that some just love poo and dont care it works for them, i can totally understand this, I will admit I wish I could grow with poo but I live in an apartment house and out my window is on the first floor right out on the street and neighbors would notice right away, maybe even I fall in love in poo later who knows. But up until now I have hear this debate many times but never seen anyone post anything related to like a debunking or confirming experiment with poo and coir. Maybe someone knows of something like this and can point me in the right direction? I will experiment with this some day, but not anytime soon.
Last coue i seen was pastys and dialateds both of which used isolates both of which showed coir having the upper hand.
What is the full screen name of 'dialated'? I cant find matching username in the search function..
I think it is..dilated
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I'm not arguing for which one is better. Only that I prefer horse manure because it's free, easy for me prepare, and the picking of it provides a service for others.
Agreed. I like Hpoo by itself. But coir is so damn easy. I got a straight hpoo tub, a coir/verm/gypsum tub, and a coir/coffee minitub.
Although the poo season is over when it gets cold cause it all freezes lol.
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True, that's why I gather all that I need to last during the winter months during the fall, dehydrate it, shredd it, then store it in totes to use during the cold months.
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True, that's why I gather all that I need to last during the winter months during the fall, dehydrate it, shredd it, then store it in totes to use during the cold months.
How do you shred all yours? Iv been doing it by hand and it sucks! Lol
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True, that's why I gather all that I need to last during the winter months during the fall, dehydrate it, shredd it, then store it in totes to use during the cold months.
Idk if I could put hpoo in my dehydrator lol.
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True, that's why I gather all that I need to last during the winter months during the fall, dehydrate it, shredd it, then store it in totes to use during the cold months.
How do you shred all yours? Iv been doing it by hand and it sucks! Lol
I hand shred also and am open to any faster methods
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True, that's why I gather all that I need to last during the winter months during the fall, dehydrate it, shredd it, then store it in totes to use during the cold months.
How do you shred all yours? Iv been doing it by hand and it sucks! Lol
With a weed whacker and a tote.
  
The next level in automated manure shredding would be a woodchipper.
Nah, brainfart. You dry it outside when the weather is right, THEN Doctor it up. Manure in the dehydrator, haha.
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I've used coir in bulk subs since 1999. Its a great bulk additive. I do most of my grows off of it BC of accessibility and its a good price. If I had access to hpoo id definitely get it hands down. Its a great substrate and id mix it with my coir. If you have free local access to hpoo. You can't beat free. So maybe you have to pasteurize it. Pasteurizing isn't that hard. And then you have all these tc mods who give advise and haven't even pasteurized a bulk sub. 
Haha on the 4 tub grow knows everything. I've done hundreds of tubs for 16 years. Do I prefer any bulk over others. No I like them all and I love mixing it up. Doing the same thing over and over gets boring.
No one ever said poo= more potency. 
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Yea, you can't beat free. After pasteurizing a few times it becomes like second nature and can be done with your eyes closed. Like riding a bike, or breathing.
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I've heard misting is too much work from people who say pasteurization isn't lol.
Pasteurization is easy you just have to be around for over an hour.
Coir requires 15m of your time period.
Dump 1 gal of boiling water over a brick. I can wake up to 6 tubs worth of coir or come home from work to them if I do 15-20 minutes worth of heating water up to a boil.
All that time and maintenance of substrate adds up in the end. I prefer to let the mushrooms grow themselves and do little work. Sure theres no need to babysit pasteurizing after you've done it a few times. But you cant just leave it indefinitely You have to come deal with it at the end of the cycle.
$50 gets me 30+ tubs worth of coir. The appeal that there's the "free" aspect of manure isn't there for me personally.
And I don't waste heated up water. All the water I heat becomes part of the substrate. When pasteurizing you usually waste hot water to the drain.
Like I always say just weigh pros and cons. Some people really enjoy using manure. That's what works for them  no skin off anyone else's back.
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eatyualive
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Misting is easy with one tub. 20 plus and its a a full time Job. Some people like quoting things out of context to justify their anger. 
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Inspir3
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Registered: 07/06/17
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bodhisatta said:
There's like 3-6 people who will tell you poo = more potency
Azur, Hamloaf, Eatyualive, Blackout, and some other old school TCs too
There's like 30+ people who will tell you it's genetic, and then after that environment/conditions and then after that substrate that's important. and of course having clean spawn otherwise everything else is a bust.
(Cronicr, SpitballJedi, pastywhyte, rogerrabbit, pussyfart, blindingleaf, workman, myself and a bunch of other non TCs who are smart too.
there's no reason to believe poo or coir are superior substrates. the superior substrate is what you can get easily, get cheapest, use comfortably, get results in your environment, circumstance, etc... ie what works for you best.
in the bucket only goes water, coir, verm, and gypsum if you have it.
everything else needs proper pasteurization
your genetics play the biggest role in potency and yield. if you use agar and play with clones and isolates you'll get much better results
if you play with dialing in your fruiting conditions, fruiting chamber, environment, lighting, moisture content, etc... you'll get better results
if you change your ingredients(so long as they're prepared correctly) you won't notice much difference if you're using the same cultures.
many people attribute their successes to the changes they make while they're learning. rather than just becoming more experienced. so in this way a lot of people attribute different ingredients to better performance. rather than the fact that they just got better as time whent on and they tried different things.
at this point the best you can do is get your feet wet. do what seems best for you
What the heck is this crap? That's some slander. I'm glad I didn't help,you with your greenhouse now.
My response is that I prefer manure for the reasons stated in this thread earlier. Final answer.
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Mateah said:
Thanks cron i will check it out! Im already reading PFs documents on pdf thanks for that as well.
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hamloaf said:
I'm not arguing for which one is better. Only that I prefer horse manure because it's free, easy for me prepare, and the picking of it provides a service for others.
This I can really appreciate
I'm sorry ham, i didnt mean any animosity by it. Just quoting past information that is relevant to the thread, its not even my opinion.
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Brain Fart
Mushroom Nerd
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Yikes that escalated.
Lol ham I am glad you don't fill your dehydrator with poop. Had a brain fart there.
Man that'd make your kitchen smell wierd
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Doc9151
Mycologist
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Horse poo is my favorite manure, but instead of coir I use woodshavings and hay. I haven't tried it in an indoor grow but it works fabulous outside.
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