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Check me on my cyan plan, please
#24818076 - 11/30/17 11:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hi, all. I'm pretty new here, and have greatly enjoyed the resource. I am laying out plans for a cyan grow in my yard, and would appreciate any feedback on my approach.
Location: I live in the pacific NW of the USA, in an area that has growing zone 8. My back yard becomes shaded at about 2 to 3pm in the summer from a patch of trees on the SW side. There is a patch of bamboo that we have put in with some other shrubbery along a fence that runs along the south side of the yard. I intend to set the bed along the bushes and fence, which will shade the beds.
Bed structure: I intend to dig out about 4 inches of soil, which is flood plain silt and drains fairly well. I will line the bed with cardboard, lay down a layer of chips, place spawn, layer with another layer of chips. Toal chip depth to be 6 inches.
Chips: I found some fresh red alder chips, sawmill debris, mostly about 1"x1"x 1/8".
Spawn production: I intend to do a PF-Tek with brown rice flour. With that, I will inoculate alder smoking chips (smaller than the previously mentioned chips). These will be soaked for 48 hours before inoculation and then brought to 180* F for 15 min, then allowed to cool completely before inoculation. I have purchased mushroom growing bags from Amazon for this stage of the growing. The PF Tek results will be chunked up and mixed with the alder chips.
inoculation. I'll take the colonized sawdust, break it up as needed into chunks, and distribute over the bed of chips. Then cover with another 3 inches of chips.
Timing: I'd really like to get started now. If I did the PF Tek starting this weekend, I'd guess the spawn might be ready around beginning of February. Now, we get some cold spells around then. A very cold spell gets down into the lower 20's, maybe into the upper teens. My intent is to grow the spawn out, and then refrigerate it if needed to wait for any cold spell to pass.
PF Tek approach: I don't have a pressure cooker. I will build a Still Air Box. Plan on steaming for two hours. Will do by the book SAB approach flaming needle in between each of hopefully six jars.
That's what I can think of. Any thoughts on refining this, stuff I'm not thinking about? Thanks for anything that comes to mind, and again, my thanks to the collective for the assembled wealth of knowledge I have found here.
PS. My growing experience is limited to one crop of Cubes years ago, but that was successful, in a limited way.
Edited by OldManRiver (11/30/17 11:45 PM)
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24818141 - 12/01/17 12:52 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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that all sounds mostly alright, except where are your spores coming from? do you have them in a syringe already, and are you sure that they are clean?
i've actually never gone the pf cake route for anything, always used grains, but i think either way, without a pressure cooker, you're just asking for a green mess.
but the bed idea and the alder and layering, put out by feb (maybe wait till march, else top heavy with mulch or tarp) all sounds good. you just need to get you're initial spawn going.
without a pressure cooker, i would try to find some wild mushrooms growing around your neighborhood or the coast, take lots of spore prints, and be respectful of course, but get one good stem butt to propagate with. id soak the alder chips for 24-48 hrs, then boil for like 2 hrs, strain n load chips into a clean mason jar. let this cool overnight, then take a nice healthy stem butt from a fresh cyanescens, and toss it in the jar, put the lid on. i have all my jar lids already rigged up with 2 holes, one filled with silicone to self-seal after syringe inoculations, one stuffed with polyfil for gas exchange (not my idea, theres a TEK around here somewhere). ultimately you just need some way to allow for that gas exchange. i think the wood acts as a somewhat-selective growing media, where only certain organisms that can actualy digest the wood will grow. i think almost anything can eat BRF, so without a pressure cooker, i think youll end up with a lot of green or some weird fermented sake paste lol. so i suggest going directly to wood. and with any spore prints, you can mix with rainwater and spray over you patch-to-be, though i typically use the just the light and half-assed prints for spore bombing (but a shitton of them).
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I have a spore syringe, so spores are in hand.
WRT the pressure cooker, in the PF tek write up, I read that with brown rice flour, you can get away with steaming. Is that not the case?
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24818262 - 12/01/17 04:13 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes you can steam sterilize cakes, just takes longer.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: Inspir3]
#24818583 - 12/01/17 09:25 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think what spitzenkorper is getting at is that spores are almost always contaminated, especially outdoor woodlovers
That being said, I've read a lot about cyan mycelium eating contaminants, so...
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24818638 - 12/01/17 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Steaming PF tek cakes is fine and standard procedure. It is intended for people without a PC.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: somegirl]
#24820365 - 12/01/17 11:56 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cool, well listen to these folks about steaming then, I never tried it. Good to know...
Yeah, I was just thinking the spores could be dirty if they were coming off a fresh wild print or something. But hey, I've actually purchased pretty clean woodlover syringes from vendors in the past...
You really just need to get some mycelium started anyway, so even lsomenof the cake starts to go green in a month or two, well hey, you're going to bury it in woodchips outside anyway right? Once it's outside, yeah it'll probably eat n outrun any contaminants.
Sounds like a pretty solid plan then, best of luck, post pics of the good stuff!
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Woodlovers are pretty bad ass when it comes to spores i never worry about it...when pasturizing go no higher then 160
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: cronicr]
#24822447 - 12/02/17 09:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You guys are freaking awesome. Thanks for the pointers. I will deintely post pics. Just waiting for a couple supplies to come from Amazon to get started...
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24822454 - 12/02/17 10:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Based on reading the pastuerization thread, I'm going to reduce my temp to 150*. I'll do this in a sous vide bath.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24824182 - 12/03/17 05:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ive been tossing around the idea of an outdoor bed similar to this, thanks op and to everyone who weighed in to clear things up.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver] 1
#24824353 - 12/03/17 07:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Skim through this thread
There's also plenty more info on the site about woodlover cultivation. They are easier than cubes IMO... just seasonal yields.
Try to have all your patches in place by the end of Spring. Summer is for consolidation. Fall/Winter rains brings the epic beauty.
Cultivated P. azurescens

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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: Primal Call]
#24824552 - 12/03/17 10:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Primal Call said: Skim through this thread
There's also plenty more info on the site about woodlover cultivation. They are easier than cubes IMO... just seasonal yields.
Try to have all your patches in place by the end of Spring. Summer is for consolidation. Fall/Winter rains brings the epic beauty.
Read that whole thread, and everything else I can find here. I think I'm ready. Just waiting for some supplies to arrive to get started.
Found a pile of chanterelles today.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24854082 - 12/18/17 04:01 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Spores are in. Now the waiting begins...
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24863546 - 12/23/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Hmmmm. The good news is, six days in, no contamination in my four jars. The bad news is, absolutely no signs of colonization. Still waiting. I ran the spore solution down the sides of the jar, but I see no signs of growth at the inoculation sites.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24863969 - 12/23/17 01:42 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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spores can easily take 2 weeks to show visible growth IME, especially if the spores happen to be older. in fact, i just put several species of wood lovers on agar a couple months ago, and all of them took a good 2 weeks before they got started. and i once knocked some jars with old pan cy (not woodlover) syringes, and they didnt do jack for seriously bout 2 months... also, everything goes slower in the cold- at what temps are you keeping your jars? they will grow (slowly) in the cold of a garage, but a room-temp closet indoors should speed things up. i say be patient, if theres no signs of contams yet, thats a good thing! you might be free of bacteria, that stuff grows fast and would probly notice it at this point. but molds can take more time to show, and hopefully they wont, but 6 days isnt a whole lot of time.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: spitzenkorper] 1
#24864260 - 12/23/17 04:09 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/11774724 I like this thread about wood lovers cultivation.
I’m planning on starting an outdoor patch of azurescens. I just started with agar yesterday (first time w/agar) but if that don’t work I’ll probably just noc up some rye berries and see how that goes.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: Cybin_man]
#24879114 - 12/30/17 04:26 PM (7 years, 18 days ago) |
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Two jars took, out of four. No contams anywhere yet.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24900245 - 01/09/18 09:22 AM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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All four jars are colonizing, no apparent contams yet! Two are about 40-50%, two are just starting. Cyan seems to be a slow grower at 70*. About three weeks in.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24902129 - 01/09/18 11:29 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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Slowly but surely...
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24902131 - 01/09/18 11:30 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver] 1
#24912156 - 01/13/18 10:21 PM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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Coming along... Getting more chips for the beds this weekend. Alder sawdust is ready for spawn expansion.

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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24975352 - 02/07/18 10:07 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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All jars fully colonized, transferring to pasteurized sawdust tomorrow. Alder chips are waiting, gonna spread them and get them soaking soon.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24975384 - 02/07/18 10:34 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Right on thnx for the update
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#25034290 - 03/02/18 06:28 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Status update: After transferring to alder chips a few weeks ago, I have had the chip bags outside. It has been cold, but warmed up to the 40's. The PF-tek spawn is bridging nicely to the chips and beginning to spread. As the weather warms, I expect them to speed up, but they are already doing nicely.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#25286081 - 06/22/18 09:06 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mycelium has spread almost eight inches on either side of the spawn lines, where I planted spawn in the wood chips. I have gallons of mycelial mass in the chips now. Watering twice a week.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#25286105 - 06/22/18 09:23 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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So have you planted the beds yet? Or are you still expanding your mycelium?
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: Crispy224]
#25303432 - 07/01/18 09:13 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I spawned to the wood chips some months ago. The mycelium has spread densely through the chip bed; it's almost solid now.
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#25576989 - 10/29/18 06:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just thought I'd post the results. They are flushing hard. I have three patches, this is currently the biggest. Inch and a half of rain two days ago, temps have been in the 50's, down into upper 40's.
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#25576997 - 10/29/18 06:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just looked at my join date. Almost exactly a year to success. I owe most of it to this site and group, and I thank you all.
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#25577064 - 10/29/18 06:38 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great work
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#26256733 - 10/16/19 06:18 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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And the next season, more... There are probably fifty in the first photo alone.

Edited by OldManRiver (10/16/19 07:18 PM)
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#26256785 - 10/16/19 06:42 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: cronicr]
#26256832 - 10/16/19 07:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude, you have no idea. There are hundreds of them, and its raining hard. :-)
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#26256842 - 10/16/19 07:17 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some notes for anyone doing this. I added chips to the bed last december. I had piled the chips next to the bed to see if more would come up. The chips were there for a month. When I shoveled the chips onto the bed, I found that mycelia had spread two feet into the chips. Cyans are aggressive!
The bed is rock hard with mycelia. The flushing started on 9/20. It slowed, and then it rained hard last night, and the second flush is coming hard, probably twice as big as the first flush. There are probably 200+ caps out now, and I'm a little scared to see what comes tomorrow. I expect a smaller third flush in 3 weeks or so.
For the record, the chips are kept wet with tap water, with plenty of chlorine in it, over the summer. Doesn't seem to faze them. The fruits are concentrated . around the edges of the patch, heaviest on the side with the most light.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#26257007 - 10/16/19 08:40 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey great news im just starting this process ....But not for my benefit I want to be Johnny Appleseed and spread them every place I can think they will grow I’ve grown tired of growing cubes
Here is my post maybe I can PM you with some specific questions when I have them
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: 99.99]
#26257013 - 10/16/19 08:42 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Absolutely reach out. I've learned some things. If you're starting from PFTek, I'd modify the mix to include 20 percent alder chips. Do that in quart jars, then you can spawn straight to chip beds.
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OldManRiver said: Absolutely reach out. I've learned some things. If you're starting from PFTek, I'd modify the mix to include 20 percent alder chips. Do that in quart jars, then you can spawn straight to chip beds.
Im going from spore syringe to agar to grain.....Once things are in good shape I’m just going to go spread the colonized grain everyplace I think they might grow
I’m going to need an eyeball at each stage to confirm what’s growing looks right
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: 99.99]
#26257142 - 10/16/19 10:02 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuck yeah dude! I might have to give this one a try. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: 99.99]
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Im going from spore syringe to agar to grain.....Once things are in good shape I’m just going to go spread the colonized grain everyplace I think they might grow
I’m going to need an eyeball at each stage to confirm what’s growing looks right
I'd mix some chips in with the grain. I think it will help the mycelia bridge from the grain to the new substrate. Maybe like 20% chips. Use alder smoking chips, soak them before PC'ing them.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
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Im going from spore syringe to agar to grain.....Once things are in good shape I’m just going to go spread the colonized grain everyplace I think they might grow
I’m going to need an eyeball at each stage to confirm what’s growing looks right
I'd mix some chips in with the grain. I think it will help the mycelia bridge from the grain to the new substrate. Maybe like 20% chips. Use alder smoking chips, soak them before PC'ing them.
Hmmm ok 20% surly cant hurt
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#26257490 - 10/17/19 03:59 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just thought I'd post the results. They are flushing hard. I have three patches, this is currently the biggest. Inch and a half of rain two days ago, temps have been in the 50's, down into upper 40's.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: 99.99]
#26269951 - 10/22/19 02:39 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Picked a few today
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#26270229 - 10/22/19 05:22 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Man those look so nice I got my syringe in the mail over the weekend So ive taken it to agar.... hopfully it will be clean and i can take it to the next step Do you have any photos Of the mycelium on agar ??
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99.99 said: Man those look so nice I got my syringe in the mail over the weekend So ive taken it to agar.... hopfully it will be clean and i can take it to the next step Do you have any photos Of the mycelium on agar ??
I didn't use agar. Just PFTEK, to pasteurized chips, to raw wood chips.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#26270491 - 10/22/19 07:27 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#26665674 - 05/12/20 01:08 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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OldManRiver said: More pics:



curious, in the 2nd picture what is the other type of mushroom growing in that patch? Also, if u were not to make grow jars from spores, but had a patch in the wild that u knew of and could get mycelium from (I do), how would u go about growing grain jars? I have transplanted a wild patch to my beds at home with some growth coming, hoping for fruits this fall but would like to use some of the mycelium to make rye jars for more/better transplants. Attached are some pictures of my progress, would love some feedback.
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