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OldManRiver
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Check me on my cyan plan, please
#24818076 - 11/30/17 11:36 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi, all. I'm pretty new here, and have greatly enjoyed the resource. I am laying out plans for a cyan grow in my yard, and would appreciate any feedback on my approach.
Location: I live in the pacific NW of the USA, in an area that has growing zone 8. My back yard becomes shaded at about 2 to 3pm in the summer from a patch of trees on the SW side. There is a patch of bamboo that we have put in with some other shrubbery along a fence that runs along the south side of the yard. I intend to set the bed along the bushes and fence, which will shade the beds.
Bed structure: I intend to dig out about 4 inches of soil, which is flood plain silt and drains fairly well. I will line the bed with cardboard, lay down a layer of chips, place spawn, layer with another layer of chips. Toal chip depth to be 6 inches.
Chips: I found some fresh red alder chips, sawmill debris, mostly about 1"x1"x 1/8".
Spawn production: I intend to do a PF-Tek with brown rice flour. With that, I will inoculate alder smoking chips (smaller than the previously mentioned chips). These will be soaked for 48 hours before inoculation and then brought to 180* F for 15 min, then allowed to cool completely before inoculation. I have purchased mushroom growing bags from Amazon for this stage of the growing. The PF Tek results will be chunked up and mixed with the alder chips.
inoculation. I'll take the colonized sawdust, break it up as needed into chunks, and distribute over the bed of chips. Then cover with another 3 inches of chips.
Timing: I'd really like to get started now. If I did the PF Tek starting this weekend, I'd guess the spawn might be ready around beginning of February. Now, we get some cold spells around then. A very cold spell gets down into the lower 20's, maybe into the upper teens. My intent is to grow the spawn out, and then refrigerate it if needed to wait for any cold spell to pass.
PF Tek approach: I don't have a pressure cooker. I will build a Still Air Box. Plan on steaming for two hours. Will do by the book SAB approach flaming needle in between each of hopefully six jars.
That's what I can think of. Any thoughts on refining this, stuff I'm not thinking about? Thanks for anything that comes to mind, and again, my thanks to the collective for the assembled wealth of knowledge I have found here.
PS. My growing experience is limited to one crop of Cubes years ago, but that was successful, in a limited way.
Edited by OldManRiver (11/30/17 11:45 PM)
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24818141 - 12/01/17 12:52 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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that all sounds mostly alright, except where are your spores coming from? do you have them in a syringe already, and are you sure that they are clean?
i've actually never gone the pf cake route for anything, always used grains, but i think either way, without a pressure cooker, you're just asking for a green mess.
but the bed idea and the alder and layering, put out by feb (maybe wait till march, else top heavy with mulch or tarp) all sounds good. you just need to get you're initial spawn going.
without a pressure cooker, i would try to find some wild mushrooms growing around your neighborhood or the coast, take lots of spore prints, and be respectful of course, but get one good stem butt to propagate with. id soak the alder chips for 24-48 hrs, then boil for like 2 hrs, strain n load chips into a clean mason jar. let this cool overnight, then take a nice healthy stem butt from a fresh cyanescens, and toss it in the jar, put the lid on. i have all my jar lids already rigged up with 2 holes, one filled with silicone to self-seal after syringe inoculations, one stuffed with polyfil for gas exchange (not my idea, theres a TEK around here somewhere). ultimately you just need some way to allow for that gas exchange. i think the wood acts as a somewhat-selective growing media, where only certain organisms that can actualy digest the wood will grow. i think almost anything can eat BRF, so without a pressure cooker, i think youll end up with a lot of green or some weird fermented sake paste lol. so i suggest going directly to wood. and with any spore prints, you can mix with rainwater and spray over you patch-to-be, though i typically use the just the light and half-assed prints for spore bombing (but a shitton of them).
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Edited by spitzenkorper (12/01/17 12:55 AM)
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OldManRiver
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: spitzenkorper]
#24818247 - 12/01/17 03:38 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a spore syringe, so spores are in hand.
WRT the pressure cooker, in the PF tek write up, I read that with brown rice flour, you can get away with steaming. Is that not the case?
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24818262 - 12/01/17 04:13 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes you can steam sterilize cakes, just takes longer.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: Inspir3]
#24818583 - 12/01/17 09:25 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think what spitzenkorper is getting at is that spores are almost always contaminated, especially outdoor woodlovers
That being said, I've read a lot about cyan mycelium eating contaminants, so...
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24818638 - 12/01/17 10:03 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Steaming PF tek cakes is fine and standard procedure. It is intended for people without a PC.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: somegirl]
#24820365 - 12/01/17 11:56 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool, well listen to these folks about steaming then, I never tried it. Good to know...
Yeah, I was just thinking the spores could be dirty if they were coming off a fresh wild print or something. But hey, I've actually purchased pretty clean woodlover syringes from vendors in the past...
You really just need to get some mycelium started anyway, so even lsomenof the cake starts to go green in a month or two, well hey, you're going to bury it in woodchips outside anyway right? Once it's outside, yeah it'll probably eat n outrun any contaminants.
Sounds like a pretty solid plan then, best of luck, post pics of the good stuff!
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: spitzenkorper]
#24820425 - 12/02/17 01:04 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Woodlovers are pretty bad ass when it comes to spores i never worry about it...when pasturizing go no higher then 160
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: cronicr]
#24822447 - 12/02/17 09:58 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys are freaking awesome. Thanks for the pointers. I will deintely post pics. Just waiting for a couple supplies to come from Amazon to get started...
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24822454 - 12/02/17 10:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Based on reading the pastuerization thread, I'm going to reduce my temp to 150*. I'll do this in a sous vide bath.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24824182 - 12/03/17 05:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ive been tossing around the idea of an outdoor bed similar to this, thanks op and to everyone who weighed in to clear things up.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver] 1
#24824353 - 12/03/17 07:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Skim through this thread
There's also plenty more info on the site about woodlover cultivation. They are easier than cubes IMO... just seasonal yields.
Try to have all your patches in place by the end of Spring. Summer is for consolidation. Fall/Winter rains brings the epic beauty.
Cultivated P. azurescens

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OldManRiver
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: Primal Call]
#24824552 - 12/03/17 10:09 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Primal Call said: Skim through this thread
There's also plenty more info on the site about woodlover cultivation. They are easier than cubes IMO... just seasonal yields.
Try to have all your patches in place by the end of Spring. Summer is for consolidation. Fall/Winter rains brings the epic beauty.
Read that whole thread, and everything else I can find here. I think I'm ready. Just waiting for some supplies to arrive to get started.
Found a pile of chanterelles today.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24854082 - 12/18/17 04:01 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Spores are in. Now the waiting begins...
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24863546 - 12/23/17 10:12 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hmmmm. The good news is, six days in, no contamination in my four jars. The bad news is, absolutely no signs of colonization. Still waiting. I ran the spore solution down the sides of the jar, but I see no signs of growth at the inoculation sites.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24863969 - 12/23/17 01:42 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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spores can easily take 2 weeks to show visible growth IME, especially if the spores happen to be older. in fact, i just put several species of wood lovers on agar a couple months ago, and all of them took a good 2 weeks before they got started. and i once knocked some jars with old pan cy (not woodlover) syringes, and they didnt do jack for seriously bout 2 months... also, everything goes slower in the cold- at what temps are you keeping your jars? they will grow (slowly) in the cold of a garage, but a room-temp closet indoors should speed things up. i say be patient, if theres no signs of contams yet, thats a good thing! you might be free of bacteria, that stuff grows fast and would probly notice it at this point. but molds can take more time to show, and hopefully they wont, but 6 days isnt a whole lot of time.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: spitzenkorper] 1
#24864260 - 12/23/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/11774724 I like this thread about wood lovers cultivation.
I’m planning on starting an outdoor patch of azurescens. I just started with agar yesterday (first time w/agar) but if that don’t work I’ll probably just noc up some rye berries and see how that goes.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: Cybin_man]
#24879114 - 12/30/17 04:26 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Two jars took, out of four. No contams anywhere yet.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24900245 - 01/09/18 09:22 AM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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All four jars are colonizing, no apparent contams yet! Two are about 40-50%, two are just starting. Cyan seems to be a slow grower at 70*. About three weeks in.
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Re: Check me on my cyan plan, please [Re: OldManRiver]
#24902129 - 01/09/18 11:29 PM (6 years, 1 month ago) |
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Slowly but surely...
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