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Re: Sanity check [Re: silversoul7]
    #2480932 - 03/29/04 05:42 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

You understand that these are the people who went into a Bahrain restaurant and demanded that everyone stop drinking. They DO NOT want to be left alone. They want to TELL YOU HOW TO ACT. If it is not in accord with their interpretation of mohammed's teaching YOU ARE INFIDEL AND HAVE NO RIGHTS. These are the people who want to blow themselves up. If they take over you will have NO, NONE, NADA, NIL, NICHT, NYET (I don't know any more) freedom to do anything. Dancing is evil to these scumbags.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2480952 - 03/29/04 05:48 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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If 1 American buys a fucking Big Mac in France all of America becomes cultural assassins. Forget the fact that the mac D is owned by Frenchmen and patronized by Frenchmen. It is there because the French people want it. If they didn't it wouldn't be there. That farmer is a retard

If you don't think this is relevant to this thread, you are stupid.



Please tell us how many French terrorists upset over McDonalds were involved in plowing airliners into buildings on American soil. If you think this is about Big Macs, you're are worse than stupid.

So what's your answer? Increase American military intervention in foreign countries? Prop up more dictators and monarchies? Bail out banks for unsound lending practices which prop up dictators and monarchies? Will these increase our security? Will these gain more friends among the powerless who look upon terrorism as the only means of striking back against overwhelming power?

If you continue to do what you have always done, you should expect the same results. If you increase actions that have resulted in undesirable outcomes, do you expect the undesired outcomes to cease, diminish or increase?


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Re: Sanity check [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2480956 - 03/29/04 05:48 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

They DO NOT want to be left alone. They want to TELL YOU HOW TO ACT.

I didn't know we were talking about Americans here? :smirk:


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Re: Sanity check [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #2480975 - 03/29/04 05:54 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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And if it is the very decadence of our society that these people want destroyed, would you support legislation forcing us to conform to strict moral guidlines?



No, but my suspicion is that most of them are not trying to achieve that goal. If that was all they were after, why would they single out the US? Many European countries are far more "decadent" from a religious fundamentalist's view than America is.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: silversoul7]
    #2480989 - 03/29/04 05:59 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Did not Spain just have an attack? Bali?

The reason that they are after us first, is we are the scapegoat for everything that is wrong with the world to them. Everyone that doesn't agree with them is a target, we're just higher up on the list.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2480999 - 03/29/04 06:01 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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You understand that these are the people who went into a Bahrain restaurant and demanded that everyone stop drinking. They DO NOT want to be left alone. They want to TELL YOU HOW TO ACT. If it is not in accord with their interpretation of mohammed's teaching YOU ARE INFIDEL AND HAVE NO RIGHTS. These are the people who want to blow themselves up. If they take over you will have NO, NONE, NADA, NIL, NICHT, NYET (I don't know any more) freedom to do anything. Dancing is evil to these scumbags.



"They" are a small group of extremists who do not represent the majority of Muslims throughout the region. The religious extremists are not the same ones blowing themselves up. They are the ones RECRUITING people to blow themselves up, and the only reason they are able to do so is because the people there hate American foreign policy. If we stop pissing off the majority, the extremist minority will have lost their audience.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: silversoul7]
    #2481054 - 03/29/04 06:13 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

UH, if someone is willing to blow themselves up, they're an extremist.

If it was only American policy they hate, then why have they attacked Casablanca, Bali, and Spain?

From another thread I posted in.

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Why is America hated? Yossef Bodansky, in his book Terror! (1994), argues:

"In the eyes of the Islamists, the American way of life and the very freedoms we most prize and cherish ? the personal rights and freedoms of the individual, the pursuit of private happiness and betterment, the separation of church and state ? make the United States 'the Great Satan,' their chief enemy. Because our way of life stands in such stark contradiction to the repressive, constricted authoritarian theocracy the Islamists demand for their own people, the very existence of American values is, for the Islamists, a deadly threat. They even describe it as a deliberate attack on Islam itself."





http://www.fff.org/freedom/1196b.asp


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Re: Sanity check [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #2481073 - 03/29/04 06:17 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Probably to help isolate America from her "Allies"...(read: lapdogs)


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Re: Sanity check [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #2481143 - 03/29/04 06:30 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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UH, if someone is willing to blow themselves up, they're an extremist.



Yes, but not an extremist in the same sense. People don't blow themselves up because we drink alcohol and look at porn. They do it because we finance their oppression.

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If it was only American policy they hate, then why have they attacked Casablanca, Bali, and Spain?



I would have to look at each individual incident to tell you exactly. I suspect that the Spain attack was punishment for cooperating with America in the Iraq War. I'm not as familiar with the other two attacks, but understand that America isn't their only enemy--just the biggest one.

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From another thread I posted in.

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Why is America hated? Yossef Bodansky, in his book Terror! (1994), argues:

"In the eyes of the Islamists, the American way of life and the very freedoms we most prize and cherish ? the personal rights and freedoms of the individual, the pursuit of private happiness and betterment, the separation of church and state ? make the United States 'the Great Satan,' their chief enemy. Because our way of life stands in such stark contradiction to the repressive, constricted authoritarian theocracy the Islamists demand for their own people, the very existence of American values is, for the Islamists, a deadly threat. They even describe it as a deliberate attack on Islam itself."




http://www.fff.org/freedom/1196b.asp



The only thing most of them hate about the American way of life is when we arrogantly try to impose it on them. It's true that most of them don't want separation of church and state or unlimited freedom of expression, but that doesn't mean they're attacking us just because we have those things. They just don't want us to force those things on them.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: Evolving]
    #2481196 - 03/29/04 06:44 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I got an idea. Why don't I go into a restaurant and threaten to beat people in the head if they DON'T order a Big Mac.

If you don't want it DON'T BUY IT. Money talks, bullshit walks

No bank should be bailed out for foreign investments. No bank should be allowed to use guaranteed deposits for investments in foreign countries. Why should any bank lend money to these countries? As a depositor I would vote against giving them any money. If the US gov didn't guarantee their loans they wouldn't get any. I think they would be better off in the long run not taking loans. You either got it on your own or you don't. Some people don't got it.

If I want to get drunk all day long that is my right. If I want to trip all day long that is my right. You have no obligation to pay for my liver transplant. And you have no right to tell me how I may destroy myself (careful here druggy babies). Muslims are scum and if you can tell me why not, I'll listen. I'm a militant Atheist and I want to be left alone.

I do not think that the rest of the world wants to be left alone by the US. We are not as dominant as you think


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Re: Sanity check [Re: silversoul7]
    #2481202 - 03/29/04 06:46 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

As I said in the other thread, I agree this is certainly a component, but I don't believe it is the sole reason for their hatred for us.

But knowing how they want their society ruled: no rights for women, no freedom of religion, basically no rights to do anything contrary to the ideals they believe their religion demands, swift punishment without due process for those they claim have violated the law, do you believe they are morally correct?


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Re: Sanity check [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2481224 - 03/29/04 06:50 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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Muslims are scum and if you can tell me why not, I'll listen.



Muslims aren't scum. Islam is scum, as is Christianity, Judaism, and just about every organized religion. But that's no reason to hate the people raised in those religions. They don't know any better.

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I do not think that the rest of the world wants to be left alone by the US. We are not as dominant as you think



Many of them want us to stop financing their oppressive governments. We don't have to do the oppressing ourselves to be part of it.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: silversoul7]
    #2481256 - 03/29/04 07:01 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

This is crushingly stupid. They hate us because we like porn and can view it (actually, they probably hate us because we supply the porn that their phony scumbag leaders who profess piety spend all their time consuming). We allow them the opportunity to indulge their hipocracy.

I don't hate them because they sell oil. I hate them because they want to take over the world and tell me how to act. If you don't think they want that you are stupid and not listening


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Re: Sanity check [Re: HagbardCeline]
    #2481257 - 03/29/04 07:01 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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As I said in the other thread, I agree this is certainly a component, but I don't believe it is the sole reason for their hatred for us.

But knowing how they want their society ruled: no rights for women, no freedom of religion, basically no rights to do anything contrary to the ideals they believe their religion demands, swift punishment without due process for those they claim have violated the law, do you believe they are morally correct?



I see many unqualified statements in there. The have rights for women, just not to the extent that we do. They have some freedom of religion in that most of these societies allow Jews and Christians, as well as different Muslim sects to practice their religion freely. You probably couldn't be a Buddhist or Hindu in those countries, but they do have some leeway as far as religion goes. They have a form of due process as well. I will not say who is morally correct here, because morality describes actions, not people. It is ridiculous to condemn a whole culture based on the actions of their government. Hell, that's the sort of thing that the terrorists do. I refuse to dehumanize an entire region based on your stereotypical and ill-informed vision of it.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: silversoul7]
    #2481300 - 03/29/04 07:10 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

You're right, Their women have the right to be beaten and to have babies. All other rights are irrelevant. Idiot


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Re: Sanity check [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2481301 - 03/29/04 07:11 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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This is crushingly stupid. They hate us because we like porn and can view it (actually, they probably hate us because we supply the porn that their phony scumbag leaders who profess piety spend all their time consuming). We allow them the opportunity to indulge their hipocracy.



You really love the phrase "crushingly stupid," don't you? Well I'll tell you what's crushingly stupid: to think that someone is going to fly an airplane into a building because we like porn, especially when there's the more logical explanation that we support and finance oppressive and corrupt regimes and maintain a military presence in their holy land.

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I don't hate them because they sell oil. I hate them because they want to take over the world and tell me how to act. If you don't think they want that you are stupid and not listening



Then I guess I'm stupid and not listening. Or maybe you're the one not paying attention. Seems to me that with two full-scale invasions in the Middle-East, that they'd have much more reason to believe that it's US trying to take over the world. If they're trying to take over the world, they're going to need some ground-troops, not just martyrs willing to send a message.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: silversoul7]
    #2481318 - 03/29/04 07:15 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I don't hate any of them. I just can't trust them. They have stupid motivations


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Re: Sanity check [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2481322 - 03/29/04 07:16 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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You're right, Their women have the right to be beaten and to have babies. All other rights are irrelevant. Idiot



Please respect the "no flaming" rule. Now, disregarding that rude comment, I'll point out that when a man and a woman are married in these countries, the man is required to set aside a certain amount of money. In the event of a divorce, a woman has the right to this money, and the courts will enforce that upon the husband. Also, spousal abuse is looked down upon in those countries too. And yes, the women do have the right to have babies, since impotence is one of the few reasons they allow a woman to get a divorce from her husband.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: zappaisgod]
    #2481326 - 03/29/04 07:17 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

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I don't hate any of them. I just can't trust them. They have stupid motivations



As do our own leaders. The problem is both sides confusing the actions of their governments with the people themselves.


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Re: Sanity check [Re: silversoul7]
    #2481396 - 03/29/04 07:33 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I'm gonna drop back to one of your earlier posts ( we seem to be typing at the same time and I am very slow). The fucking scumbag shit hole Muslims blew up our buildings, ships and embassies before we acted. There is almost no action on our part that I can't justify. Nobody is making these swine sell us oil except their own corrupt scumbag muslim hipocrate leaders. And when the oil is gone these dirt balls will go back to being dirt balls. Ashes to ashes.


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