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Germs
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Looks like bacterial spawn leading to nold infection
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TheMadHatter420
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#24804096 - 11/24/17 12:52 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am going to say struggling against bacteria. The 2nd and 3rd(of the knew 10) may start knotting up soon. IF the substrate is to wet it can cause that as well.
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Violet Wizard
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I had two of my 6 shoeboxes go bacterial I think. They were showing a decent amount of white growth, I actually thought they were doing the best. It wasnt until the other 4 showed signs of growth and those two just stayed white that I suspected something was wrong. I isolated them and waited but neither ever did anything.
I tossed them once I got rid of the finished boxes. I dont have any pictures because once I realized they werent doing well i stopped opening them and taking a look. I cant say what happened for sure but They looked different and never produced anything compared to the other boxes that produced about 20g dry on average (first bulk run so I did well)
My guess is its bacterial but I dont have the experience others have.
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bodhisatta 
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TherickSanchez21
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Germs]
#24804849 - 11/25/17 12:38 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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How can you tell?
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Aunit
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Bod those are lovely. Idk why but I love sporesplosion pictures!
The ricksanchez, they're not colonizing properly. combine that with the fact you already have mold colonizing one of your boxes. I'd say that there is something definitely wrong with your sterile procedure or the syringe you used was a bad syringe.
Evaluate where you could have gone wrong and what you can do next time to prevent that from happening. If it is the syringe then you will need to start agar cultures and transfer until clean. If it's your sterile procedure maybe evaluate you PC cycle, use of a SAB, etc. Try to be as honest with yourself as possible when you do evaluate the different scenarios that could have led to this issue. It's important to know and understand where you went wrong so you can fix it.
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stareatclouds
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Aunit]
#24804930 - 11/25/17 02:57 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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bod,
Beautiful fruits, man. Do you dub tub yours or have them in a GH during fruiting?
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Enkidu
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@thericksanchez
Is that last one mold ?
Was your sub at field capacity ?
Did you allow your tubs to fully colonize before you introduced an increase in FAE and light ?
I would guess the sub is either too wet or too dry, or maybe you introduced FAE and light too early and its just taking time to colonize the sub.
If they were mine I might increase FAE slightly and hold off on the misting and see if some knots start to form, but that's because for some reason i'm guessing your sub is too wet or you're over misting in relation to the evaporation caused by your FAE.
If your sub is too dry then Idk wtf to do because I had some tubs I intentionally made too dry to see how performance was and they have been a major pain in the ass. I tried misting extra, watering, pain in the ass.
They took WAY longer to knot and the first flush yield was garbage. Equal to like a third flush yield from my other tubs. I've been neglecting and ignoring them because I'm lazy and had a bunch of other tubs that were basically like I just mist once a day or bottom water once a day. Maybe mist again at night, and they've been producing.
So long story short I would guess the field capacity of your sub or not allowing your sub to fully colonize, or being too dry or too wet without proper FAE, may be the problem.
Try not to micromanage too much. I feel like that messed with my results early on. These shoebox's seem like you can easily spawn, wait a little over a week for full colonization, flip the lid for pin formation for a week or so, full growth of mushrooms and harvest another week or so. All without doing much more than flipping the lid, then dubbing.
I think I missed a page... Or its bacterial like they mentioned
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bodhisatta 
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Quote:
stareatclouds said: bod,
Beautiful fruits, man. Do you dub tub yours or have them in a GH during fruiting?
Grocery bag. Got 3 oz 1 gram dried from those three
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bodhisatta 
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Heres another pesa MS box. Bigger than normal Showbox

From the big one on the right

No big enough bag so this one gets to be open air
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mushboy
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Im really liking the 20qt mega showboxes. Unmodified.
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Enkidu
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24805398 - 11/25/17 10:46 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you do a grocery bag, you just remove it when you mist? Treat it like a dub basically?
Do you fluff it up with air so there's space between the bag and the fruits or just let it come all the way down to your fruits ?
Is this thing basically air tight? Wrapped around the tub? Or do you just let it sit freely for air exchange?
I know its super simple concept but I'm curious about the specs because I'm going to try it out...
My apologies
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Enkidu]
#24805405 - 11/25/17 10:48 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Try it out everything you brought up is the common sense stuff you need to succeed. Ill tell you i just poke holes in the bag tho
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Enkidu
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stareatclouds
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Nice, nice. I'll probably give a few bag contraptions a go down the line.
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Aunit
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Bod. How would you compare the dub tub method to the grocery method?
Any reason you use bags and not dubtub it? Is it because of the space factor?
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: Aunit]
#24805632 - 11/25/17 12:31 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think dub tubs are a waist of a tub and they can fall off pretty easy. Bags are basically free and accomplish the same thing.
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Munchauzen


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binder clips help a lot with the top dubs. my og method is to just do 1 qt spawn 1 qt sub so that its really shallow, allowing enough room to just fruit with the lid on. and then you can stack em.
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RatThing
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Quote:
bodhisatta said: Heres another pesa MS box. Bigger than normal Shoebox
Beautiful.
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RatThing
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Re: Making shoeboxes [Re: mushboy]
#24805896 - 11/25/17 02:51 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
mushboy said: I'm really liking the 20qt mega shoeboxes. Unmodified.
Time to update the shoebox tek and mention 20qt mega Shoeboxes / Bootboxes. :-)
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