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 VroomerMcZoomers
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#24802701 - 11/23/17 06:02 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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So they are going to make it so only the websites that can bid the highest will work well.
The elite will dominate the internet and turn it into their propaganda machine as the rest of mass media currently is.
Pretty sickening.
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koods
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
#24802792 - 11/23/17 07:05 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Half the people on this site voted for this administration. This is what they wanted.
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VroomerMcZoomers
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: koods]
#24802893 - 11/23/17 08:29 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ewww
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
#24804376 - 11/24/17 07:35 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I read on /pol/ that an open internet is a Soros psyop.
So, to Comcast and Verizon I say this: "Fuck me up fam."
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SirTripAlot
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#24804407 - 11/24/17 07:47 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am all for free enterprise(using that term loosely/... so why do the big corporations have to reverse net neutrality? Or am I missing something?
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: koods]
#24804410 - 11/24/17 07:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
koods said:
Half the people on this site voted for this administration. This is what they wanted.
keep playing the victim bubba, see how far it gets you
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: SirTripAlot] 5
#24804415 - 11/24/17 07:51 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because, under title 2, they legally arent allowed to restrict access to certain websites or apps.
Without net neutrality, Comcast (which owns Hulu) can now make Netflix run like absolute shit in order to fend off competitors. Thats just a basic example. I dont want Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T deciding how I use my bandwidth, and I cant imagine why anyone else would.
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SirTripAlot
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#24804433 - 11/24/17 07:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does it prevent/ discourage smaller entities from competing in the marketplace? ( that wouldn't fuck with your bandwidth) Seems like they would fuck themselves out of business.
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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: SirTripAlot] 2
#24804436 - 11/24/17 08:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
SirTripAlot said:
Does it prevent/ discourage smaller entities from competing in the marketplace? ( that wouldn't fuck with your bandwidth) Seems like they would fuck themselves out of business.
I don't think the telecoms would be spending millions to get this unpopilar shit shoved thru if it was going to hurt them in any way.
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ballsalsa 
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: SirTripAlot] 2
#24804444 - 11/24/17 08:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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as long as those smaller entities wanna build their own telecomm infrastructure they're free to compete with the big boys.
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The Ecstatic
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: ballsalsa] 3
#24804453 - 11/24/17 08:06 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean, how hard could it be to finance an upstart, state of the art, nationwide fiber optic network and the tens of thousands of employees necessary to keep it functional?
Just take out a $50 billion small business loan!
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SirTripAlot
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#24804454 - 11/24/17 08:06 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Like starting my own oil refinery?
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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#24804455 - 11/24/17 08:07 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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jokes on you for being such a geographically large nation
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Kizzle
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#24804744 - 11/24/17 10:36 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said:
I am all for free enterprise(using that term loosely/... so why do the big corporations have to reverse net neutrality? Or am I missing something?
They don't all want it, just those who might profits from it. Bandwidth is a limited commodity. That means there's a lot of money to be made by ISPs by charging sites for allowing that bandwidth to be used on their sites. That's the primary motivation for this change and it ignores the fact that the internet as it is now isn't simply a means to access commercial websites and services. They want to eliminate things like p2p data transfers which only benefit the people using them to ensure that the data you pay for can only be used on things that will profit big businesses.
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: Kizzle] 3
#24805110 - 11/25/17 07:21 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, this is pretty scary. I assume no one is really against it though which is probably why no one made a thread about it. I thought about making a thread but it basically boils down to net neutrality is good, we need it, there's no reason to get rid of it unless you're a kleptocratic stooge or greedy corporation.
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: The Ecstatic] 2
#24805118 - 11/25/17 07:32 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
VroomerMcZoomers said:
So they are going to make it so only the websites that can bid the highest will work well.
The elite will dominate the internet and turn it into their propaganda machine as the rest of mass media currently is.
Pretty sickening.
'Worse Than One Could Imagine'
I care. When I lived in Africa: they would turn down speeds at any given time with no accountability. It’s frustrating because I pay X amount for a service. The advertised price and what would i would get were 2 different things.
I’m mad about it. How will this help anyone that doesn’t have deep pockets?
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The Ecstatic said:
Because, under title 2, they legally arent allowed to restrict access to certain websites or apps.
Without net neutrality, Comcast (which owns Hulu) can now make Netflix run like absolute shit in order to fend off competitors. Thats just a basic example. I dont want Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T deciding how I use my bandwidth, and I cant imagine why anyone else would.
Edit: this from OPs link
"Empowers a federal agency that has never enforced net neutrality protections (the FTC) to manage consumer complaints and ensures that there is no FCC recourse for wronged consumers or businesses"
"Prevents states and localities from adopting any related consumer protections—an action that is likely unlawful."
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koods
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: Citizen X] 3
#24805180 - 11/25/17 08:37 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Seems like a company could restrict access to the shroomery because they don't like the content
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Citizen X
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: Kizzle]
#24805189 - 11/25/17 08:53 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kizzle said:
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SirTripAlot said:
I am all for free enterprise(using that term loosely/... so why do the big corporations have to reverse net neutrality? Or am I missing something?
They don't all want it, just those who might profits from it. Bandwidth is a limited commodity. That means there's a lot of money to be made by ISPs by charging sites for allowing that bandwidth to be used on their sites. That's the primary motivation for this change and it ignores the fact that the internet as it is now isn't simply a means to access commercial websites and services. They want to eliminate things like p2p data transfers which only benefit the people using them to ensure that the data you pay for can only be used on things that will profit big businesses.
Could you elaborate on p2p data transfers? I’m not familiar with this phrase
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: Citizen X] 3
#24805292 - 11/25/17 09:57 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bitorrent. They can basically do anything theu want without NN. They can block the shroomery, left wing/right wing media, bitorrent, competing media services (netflix), bitcoin, whatever they want. Anything you can think of doing they can potentially do it and history shows that they will. Why would anyone think net neutrality is a bad thing?
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chibiabos
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Re: Wheres all the net neutrality posts? Doesn't anyone care? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#24805756 - 11/25/17 01:41 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
SirTripAlot said:
I am all for free enterprise(using that term loosely/... so why do the big corporations have to reverse net neutrality? Or am I missing something?
Because a team of economists said that it would be best for everybody. 
Honestly though, the biggest threat to net neutrality has been the people arguing for net neutrality. It's not so much that I disagree with the idea as much as it is that they've been making hyperbolic statements that aren't necessarily rooted in reality (pretty much to the tune of everything, from democracy to dentistry would come to a grinding halt) for years, in response to this discussion. And, in all honesty, most of the "arguments" that I've seen them putting out there have just been catty Reddit threads about how repealing net neutrality rules would be tantamount to your phone company charging you different rates based on what numbers you're calling (which, of course, is supposed to be totally unprecedented).
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