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Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included
    #24796258 - 11/20/17 05:32 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

pics attached  I really think these are Psilocybe Cyanscens because they have a VISCID WAVY cap,  they are the right color and size and  one shows some hints of blue.  Wikipedia also says caps of these cap of P.Cyanscens get "brittle" in old age.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: zymbass]
    #24796281 - 11/20/17 05:44 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Not cyans.

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: Sk8nshram]
    #24796344 - 11/20/17 06:16 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Is there another species that has brown wavy caps?  I swear, its difficult to see with pics, but in the video and in real life, I can see the shapes and they are very wavy and even the coloring looks similar

only thing that mine are missing is the blue on the stem, but then again, I see pics online which have a white stem with no blue like mine.

Are the liberty caps good at least?  I had one, and I swear its working closed eye visuals

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: zymbass]
    #24796397 - 11/20/17 06:44 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Yes deadly galerinas are a fatal look-alike. Do. not. eat. without positive ID from Trusted Identifier tag

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: bluepatterns]
    #24796408 - 11/20/17 06:47 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I think those are Inocybe, def not cyans or anything active

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: zymbass]
    #24796414 - 11/20/17 06:49 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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zymbass said:
Is there another species that has brown wavy caps?  I swear, its difficult to see with pics, but in the video and in real life, I can see the shapes and they are very wavy and even the coloring looks similar

only thing that mine are missing is the blue on the stem, but then again, I see pics online which have a white stem with no blue like mine.

Are the liberty caps good at least?  I had one, and I swear its working closed eye visuals



There are many mushrooms with wavy brown caps. Keep looking and you'll know when you find real cyans. Get better pictures next time. Also do not eat unidentified mushrooms, those are certainly not liberty caps (and even if they were, one would produce no closed eye visuals). You'd need much better pics of the underside and stem for any kind of id, but they look like an inocybe species which are notoriously hard to identify and some of which are deadly. you'll most likely be fine if you haven't noticed any negative effects yet, as the acute effects of muscarine (the active toxin in inocybes) usually come on fairly quickly. be safe and don't eat them without an id next time.

Edited by pyrolight (11/20/17 06:51 PM)

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: zymbass]
    #24796415 - 11/20/17 06:49 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, there are several kinds of mushrooms with wavy caps. Some are deadly. Nothing that you have pictured is psychoactive, or really resembles a liberty cap or cyan. Your closed eye visuals are wishful thinking, and it is very dangerous to take unidentified mushrooms. In the future, take pictures of the mushroom in situ, and take close ups of the gills after you pick them. Then take a spore print and post a picture of that as well. If your spore print is not purple, and you mushrooms doesn't bruise blue, you probably don't have the right thing.

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: pyrolight]
    #24796541 - 11/20/17 07:38 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I found this pic of confirmed P.Cyans from the Bay area:
 


They look very similar to some of mine, I don't know how you can tell.


Also, these are growing in a mix of grass and wood chips, maybe its just not the ideal habitat so they look like this.

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: ApostleofAzathoth]
    #24796559 - 11/20/17 07:50 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Zymbass, I don't want to sound rude here, but you need a solid lecturing.

Not only are your closed-eye visuals just wishful thinking as Azathoth has pointed out, your "blue staining" is also wishful thinking. There isn't any blue on these mushrooms.

You need to learn something right now, or you're going to get yourself killed.

1. No matter how bad you want a mushroom to be psychedelic, if identifiers say it isn't, it isn't. End of story. Throw it out. Arguing with them is playing roulette with your own life.

2. Assume every single mushroom you pick is deadly poisonous. Keep assuming this until a Trusted Identifier has told you otherwise. And even after s/he has ID'd your pick, remember that these are people on the internet that you don't know, and they have zero accountability if you die.

3. Every hallucinogenic mushroom has a look-alike, or three, and some of them are deadly. In the case of cyanescens, there is a mushroom called a galerina, which will cause fatal liver damage. Even if you survive, you'll be on dialysis for the rest of your miserable life.

4. The fact that you ate one of these mushrooms is an indicator that you just do not even have the patience required to be a serious myco hunter. You need to straighten up, or you're dead.

Sorry if all of this sounds rude, but I'm trying to save your life.

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: zymbass]
    #24796562 - 11/20/17 07:52 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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zymbass said:
I found this pic of confirmed P.Cyans from the Bay area:
 


They look very similar to some of mine, I don't know how you can tell.


Also, these are growing in a mix of grass and wood chips, maybe its just not the ideal habitat so they look like this.





Dude confirmation bias. Read it. I'm seriously worried we're going to be reading about you in the newspaper pretty soon.

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: zymbass]
    #24796564 - 11/20/17 07:52 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

That picture is of cyans. Your pictures are not. Look at the size and shape of the gills. Look at the texture of the cap. If you don't believe us, take a spore print. Your "cyans" will give a tan sporeprint, where as real cyans would give a purple spore print.

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: ApostleofAzathoth]
    #24796577 - 11/20/17 08:02 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Also, you're arguing with people who either do this for a living, or went to school and got Master's/PhD's in mycology. They're trying to help you. Not bring you down by negging on your finds.

By the way, here's a link to two non-cyan wavy cap species I found today.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24796392

Wavy does not = psychedelic

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: bluepatterns]
    #24796881 - 11/20/17 10:06 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not arguing with them, I just needed to make sure, because I've never dealt with anything which is nearly as hard to distinguish as mushrooms are.

I accept that they are correct now, but I just wanted to make sure.

What really gives it away now is that it doesn't have any blue or dark on the stem instead its pure white.

I'm heading to Olympia next chance I get I'm about a few hrs away but I saw some promising stuff on mushroomobserver

Anyone got any better place to go then Olympia?  So far I've only hunted around a few spots for about 3 hrs in Portland and didn't find anything real, but a bunch of lookalikes.

I hate to do it now, but since I didn't have a proper pic of the "liberty caps" which might just another bloody Inocybe, but still hoping its a Psilocybe or some are, these were growing in a spread out cluster so they really looked like one species:


Edited by zymbass (11/20/17 10:25 PM)

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: zymbass]
    #24796923 - 11/20/17 10:38 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Those are also inactive. Just because a mushroom is inactive doesn't mean it isn't real :wink:
Keep learning. Keep researching. Familiarize yourself with psilocybes if that's what you're looking for. Read everything you can get your hands on. Go through the old PNW actives threads on here. Burn those macroscopic features and variations in morphology into your brain. If you're really dedicated, you'll get what you want.


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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: TempestDnB]
    #24796995 - 11/20/17 11:54 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Those are also inactive. Just because a mushroom is inactive doesn't mean it isn't real :wink:
Keep learning. Keep researching. Familiarize yourself with psilocybes if that's what you're looking for. Read everything you can get your hands on. Go through the old PNW actives threads on here. Burn those macroscopic features and variations in morphology into your brain. If you're really dedicated, you'll get what you want.





Thank you.

Thank you to everyone in this thread for their valuable advice.  I can tell that this is a community much more knowledgeable and gracious than most forums, and I am very grateful to have access to it.

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Re: Psilocybe Cyanscens and Liberty Cap ID request, Video included [Re: zymbass]
    #24797001 - 11/20/17 11:57 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

We are all trying to keep each other safe

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