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Fruiting mini monos
#24795218 - 11/20/17 09:10 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey guys I had a quick question about colonization time for 28L mini mono. What do you guys think the average time it would take to get to 100% colonization? Mine are on day 9 since I spawned them. I can still see the Coir and verm, but there are white knots all over both tubs.


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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24795221 - 11/20/17 09:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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fruit that now. you can also fruit at spawning but you made need to mist more since the substrate is exposed to more air.
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: mushboy]
#24795397 - 11/20/17 10:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So i just need to take duck tape off holes, stuff with polyfill, mist and fan a couple times a day, is that right? Is ambient light fine, or should I get a 6500k bulb to put next to them?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24795418 - 11/20/17 10:55 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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id get the bulb. remove the tape. use poly if you want. micropore tape is much easier to use and less messy.
kep the surface moist and glistening. not soaked. just mist when it needs it to maintain the beads of moisture. fanning is 100% unless imo.
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: mushboy]
#24795436 - 11/20/17 11:01 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay cool, i have micro pore tape, I'll try that first since its not messy. I'll pick up a bulb later today also. So keep it moist but not soaked, and you say fanning is useless? So it will get enough FAE with the micropore tape?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24795442 - 11/20/17 11:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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HighKing said: Hey guys I had a quick question about colonization time for 28L mini mono. What do you guys think the average time it would take to get to 100% colonization? Mine are on day 9 since I spawned them. I can still see the Coir and verm, but there are white knots all over both tubs.



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Put them into fruiting conditions yesterday, instead of using polyfill I just used micropore tape, 2 layers on bottom holes and 1 layer on the top ones. I only had to mist it once yesterday, the tubs hold moisture amazingly! I'll keep updating as I go....so it should only take a week to get fruits correct?

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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24799552 - 11/22/17 09:06 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh I think it can take much longer than that. might take a week or two just for pins.
But, they will come
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: nubgrower]
#24805285 - 11/25/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So it's day 4 of fruiting, tub 1 is looking pretty good! Tub 2 is doing good, I'm noticing these little white dots popping up in spots and a weird patch in the top left corner... Tub 1:

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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing] 1
#24805336 - 11/25/17 10:22 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Tub 2 has trich growing in the corner.
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: hamloaf]
#24806165 - 11/25/17 05:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So is it a total loss, or can I still get something out of tub 2
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24806173 - 11/25/17 05:11 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Toss it
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: cronicr]
#24806377 - 11/25/17 07:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Toss it before it sends out spores and infects the other tube
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: Aunit]
#24806673 - 11/25/17 11:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aaaanny other responses on it before i toss the whole thing?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24806690 - 11/25/17 11:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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put it in your garage, outside, friends house or down by the river and hope for the best. Maybe bury it in your garden
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: frankeh] 1
#24806864 - 11/26/17 04:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea cut a good section of it out and plant it. Ime once u got it its gonna pop up again n again not to say u cant get a flush, they say toss cause they've got like 100qts of spawn so fuck it haha
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So plant it outside? It's winter, so will it just freeze and then come back in the spring time?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24807298 - 11/26/17 10:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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It might but its no good in your house and will just cause future issues, you've got 1 tub so dont sweat it and try better next time.
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So i took tub 2 out, just have tub 1 now...yesterday i saw a green spot so i spooned it out of the tub...also out of my 19 jars I had agar>WBS i had to toss 2 of them with green mold in them...it was crazy, barely move the jar and a green cloud would swirl around inside....at least I know what to look for now. I wonder what caused this... On a lighter note, tub 1 has pinning! Went ahead and removed the micropore tape from the top holes, and 1 layer off the bottom holes. I haven't had to mist at all with the tape on, it stays very moist (i think almost too moist, maybe that's what's caused this contams?) But i will watch to make sure it doesn't try out.

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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24811735 - 11/28/17 12:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So the pins are looking good, i can see the bacteria coming back after I scooped a portion of it out.....also i expected the tub to smell like my jars (mushroomy), but it doesn't smell like that at all...can i still wait a few more days for the pins to fruit? Any advice yall?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24811760 - 11/28/17 01:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats trich mold cut those sections out and toss that after the first flush. You can salt small spots.
Theres no fixing trich just hoping your fruits come in before it blooms everywere
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So anyone have any ideas on what caused the outbreak? Two factors that i can think of is these tubs retain moisture like insane. So i dont know if it's maybe way to moist for the mycelium and allowing mold to thrive? Also the jars sat in another closet,and they were colonizing just fine, but i couldn't get the temps to raise past 68 so i moved everything into another closet that i can get between 70-75..... So maybe it's to hot for cubes?
Sorry guys, just trying to figure out how to prevent this with my other jars, i have a few agar>wbs jars that i started last month that are almost 100%...one looks like it might of stalled, it still hasn't recovered from its last shake. Thinking about trying some 6qts in a sgfc I have left over from my first grow
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24812071 - 11/28/17 02:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bad spawn, it was either your inoculate or it got in when noc'n.
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: LemurLemur] 1
#24816998 - 11/30/17 02:24 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So today is 9 days into fruiting, have some little guys coming in pretty okay....i plan on tossing the tub after I harvest them. I still feel like the temps and the way these tubs retain moisture are big factors in why I got the mean green.... On a happier note, 2 of my jars are ready to be dumped,so I'm going to do them in "shoeboxes" I'm gonna do them at a 1:1.5 ratio 1qt of spawn. We shall see how it goes! Still have plenty of jars and agar going, so it will just take a little time... also reading some books by Paul Stamets, just makes me want to dive deeper into mycology!
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24817003 - 11/30/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also I went ahead and salted the areas where I saw green after spooning out those portions, after putting salt down I have noticed alot of the water pooling on the surface...is this the salt sucking up all the moisture?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24817014 - 11/30/17 02:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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salt draws out moisture.
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24817681 - 11/30/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dont worry about it your tossing it after the first flush.
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: Gurdjieff]
#24819585 - 12/01/17 05:10 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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So they are B+ strain, should they have these white dots all over the caps?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24819793 - 12/01/17 06:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea thats fine its a phenotype. Wait till u start seeing mutants with deformed caps and split curled stems.
Hey did u case with jiffy?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24819833 - 12/01/17 06:59 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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HighKing said: So they are B+ strain, should they have these white dots all over the caps?

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No casing on these tubs, just mixed the spawn and sub together..on the 2 shoeboxes I made yesterday, i mixed the spawn and sub together and then added a layer of the Coir and verm on top. Added foil on top, tucked it under the lip and then put the lid on them, I'm gonna dubtub them or put them in a 66qt tub I have.
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24821290 - 12/02/17 01:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ran home on my lunch and found that a couple of the fruits already opened and veils torn, so i picked them and threw them in the dehydrator. Should have more tomorrow, i noticed a whole bunch popping up on the sides....i guess the liner didn't help, i didnt line the little 6qts, so we will see how that goes.
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24821352 - 12/02/17 01:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dont cut them. Twist n pull and take a long knife (you'll find out y) and scrape around the feet and simply pull off all the dirt leaving a nice sexy bulb full of magic. Plus the stumps are open to mold attacks.
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Okay cool I'll try that on the next ones, i read somewhere saying to cut them and not twist them, cause it leaves the sub vulnerable
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24821705 - 12/02/17 04:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats a shame man. They looked so good! Sorry for your loss. Tell us a little about your technique and we can try to identify what went wrong. Do you pasteurize your bulk substrate yourself?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24822935 - 12/03/17 03:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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What leaves the sub vulnerable is how tired the myc network is after giving birth to all those fruits and standing water specially with remnants of the fruit left. Some will disagree but the ambient spore load of tams in your house are a factor to.
Your goal is not how many flushes you can do its getting a culture to use up as much energy and material up to put out a massive first flush.
Focus on technique getting conditions right before worring about getting a magic bullet clone. Great culture+shitty conditions =shitty results.
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So i woke up to find the same weird growth on my 2nd batch of tubs. I got off work a bit a go and could tell it was spreading and turning green. So i spooned out the bad spots and then I salted them. But i haven't seen pins yet. The mycillium growth has taken over alot of the casing layer and looks so good... I dont know what could keep causing this to happen...i guess I'm gonna try doing the 3rd try in another room, currently in my closet with the door off cause it gets too cold with the door shut. I have alot of traffic animal/humans in and out of the room, that could be a factor. I'm also thinking about trying oats instead of WBS..maybe that will help? Any input?
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24847024 - 12/15/17 02:32 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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My 2 cents here. I'm not a very experienced cultivator yet, but I just hit my first batch of mean green on flush 3 of my first tub.
Your spawn is either A) infected with trich, or B) so bacterial it is allowing the trich that is possibly present in your coir or environment to take hold very rapidly.
I would lean toward option B on this one. This is why starting on agar and ensuring clean spawn is the word of god around here. The less clean the spawn the more chance of contams before your first flush.
I just harvested a first flush off a semi bacterial jar. Didn't care to try and push for a 2nd just wanted to see if I could do it. This leads me to believe you need to work on the cleanliness of your spawn first and foremost. that just shouldn't happen before the first flush
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: Aunit]
#24903617 - 01/10/18 05:26 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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At last! So for the past month I've been stockpiling spawn, and trying to figure out why I keep getting green mold when I switch to fruiting.... I narrowed it down to my sub (coir). I was just doing the boiling water in 5 gal bucket for 3-4 hours....i don't think that was good enough. So this last time, I followed that tek but then loaded it all in a oven bag and PC it at 15 psi for I think 3 hours? I could tell immediately the sub looked different, the mycelium grabbed hold and colonized way faster! Started those shoeboxes December 25th, put them in fruiting conditions the 5th of this month and have major pinning and (fingers crossed) no signs of contams!
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24907321 - 01/12/18 08:11 AM (7 years, 5 days ago) |
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Looking way better this go. I hope you have a swell flush this time. Peace & Love
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: HighKing]
#24910008 - 01/13/18 08:10 AM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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HighKing said: At last! So for the past month I've been stockpiling spawn, and trying to figure out why I keep getting green mold when I switch to fruiting.... I narrowed it down to my sub (coir). I was just doing the boiling water in 5 gal bucket for 3-4 hours....i don't think that was good enough. So this last time, I followed that tek but then loaded it all in a oven bag and PC it at 15 psi for I think 3 hours? I could tell immediately the sub looked different, the mycelium grabbed hold and colonized way faster! Started those shoeboxes December 25th, put them in fruiting conditions the 5th of this month and have major pinning and (fingers crossed) no signs of contams!

I think it comes down to 3 things, any one of which can ruin a grow and together can make you life miserable. 1) Spawn purity - Don't include any jars that look the slightest bit suspect or different than the rest. 2) Vigor (speed and ability of your culture to overcome adventitious organisms) - select fast cultures and don't take clones from weak or contaminated grows. 3) Biological burden and pathogenicity of the substrate and to a lesser extent the environment - if you have the time and money sterilize your sub until you find a clone vigorous enough to overcome residual bioburden from burden reduction teks (i.e. bucket tek).
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Re: Fruiting mini monos [Re: Shu]
#24910015 - 01/13/18 08:15 AM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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Lol wait im so lost ??? How are these mono tubs colonizing? All his holes are sealed ?? I thought you need gas exchange holes during colonization? Am I bugging out??
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