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Toadstool666
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Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates?
#24789165 - 11/17/17 10:39 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Right now I’m propogating Maza spawn from MS grown on agar and 2 substrains of Golden Teacher that I obtained from cloning fruits on agar. I haven’t experimented with these too heavily but so far the first flushes have left me confused. The mazatapec tub pushed out 4.5 oz on its first flush while I only got maybe 6-7 oz combined from my 2 GT isolate monotubs, most of which were weird mutant sidepins with maybe an oz or 2 on the top surface. I was under the impression that cloning was an almost fail safe way to ensure nice thick flushes but it seems to be having the opposite effect IME. Do I need to isolate these cultures further to get good results or is MS really just way better than I think? Any tips or feedback is highly appreciated.
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puff4200
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: Toadstool666] 1
#24789270 - 11/17/17 11:26 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Isolating is a way to get consistant fluahes. If you have a nice isolate that will lead to nice strong flushes, bad isolates will leave you wil consistantly bad flushes. I had to try quite a few different isolates before i found one i was happy with. Best advice i have is clone from strong fruits.
Edited by puff4200 (11/17/17 11:27 AM)
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: Toadstool666]
#24789272 - 11/17/17 11:26 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: McGrimm]
#24789292 - 11/17/17 11:36 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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work on your conditions before you play with clones.(side pins and such) also sometimes clones just suck.
its hard enough documenting clones without having to tweak you growing approach. otherwise everything is a toss up.
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Toadstool666
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: mushboy]
#24790908 - 11/18/17 04:52 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input everyone! Looks like I’m going to have to get busy with some agar again soon. Strangely enough, this is the first time I’ve seen sidepinning like this. I’ve only done MS grows before and my monotubs at least always had the pins pop up on top besides maybe one or 2 creeping up the side. Strangely, the Mazatapec MS and the GT isolates were all grown in pretty much identical conditions within a week of each other and only the isolates had sidepins (probably at least half of the fruits).
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puff4200
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: Toadstool666]
#24791004 - 11/18/17 07:02 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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If thats the case I would check if theres a possibility that something effected the environment of your isolates compared to your multispore. Did you move a fan? Start your house heater and your tubs are to close to a vent? Did you not use the same amount of water to get your coco soaked? Did your spawn take longer to colonize and dries out in the process? There are many variables to environment in monotubs. If you truly think the conditions were the same then it sounds like a weak isolate. With you talking about side-pins like that it sounds environmental. Best of luck
Edited by puff4200 (11/18/17 07:28 AM)
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Blue Wrench
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: puff4200]
#24791022 - 11/18/17 07:16 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you have an already fruiting fresh mushroom you can take that, Split it down the middle lengthwise, and cleanly take a piece of fresh mycelium from inside the stem near the base. Use that to create an already guaranteed isolate!
Good Luck!
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Edited by Blue Wrench (11/18/17 07:16 AM)
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puff4200
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: Blue Wrench] 1
#24791033 - 11/18/17 07:25 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dude you should read the question before you answer....
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: puff4200]
#24791045 - 11/18/17 07:34 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Their Last seen time indicates they're the sort of person who pops on, makes a post like this, then disappears while others pick up after them. At least it wasn't harmful in this case, but still a bad habit.
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: Toadstool666]
#24791047 - 11/18/17 07:36 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting....
I know most pros clone shrooms that grow in clusters as they tend to be both good producers and quite potent.
The performace of your clone depends specifically on the clones performance.
With MS, it could be awesome or super inconsistent.
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#24791072 - 11/18/17 07:52 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yall are right, I apologize I will read more carefully next time!
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Blue Wrench
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: Blue Wrench]
#24791080 - 11/18/17 07:58 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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And I am on my cell phone which marks me as away whenever my screen is off.
Also I double posted. I am bad at this forum thing, I'm gonna go back to the shadows lol.
Edited by Blue Wrench (11/18/17 08:00 AM)
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Toadstool666
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: puff4200]
#24793355 - 11/19/17 10:14 AM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now that you mention it, one tub seemed to be a little on the dry side. Strangely, one of the tubs that produced sidepins had a nice coat of moisture all along the surface at full colonization and most of the way through fruiting. Due to colder temps they colonized a little slower so I think I’ll try adding an extra quart of water to my coir on my next tub and see how that works. I’ve got a second flush popping up and have been making sure to mist so I guess I’ll see if that makes a difference.
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Re: Why are my MS grows so much better than my isolates? [Re: Toadstool666]
#24794102 - 11/19/17 05:28 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could have isolAted Great Great Grangma on the Daddies side instead of the mothers side.
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