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What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients)
    #24781445 - 11/13/17 11:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

What, In you cultivators opinions, would make the best all-around mushroom substrate for growing cubensis? Manure? Coir? Peat moss? Straw?  A mixture of all these things then supplemented with gypsum? 

      Also what do you think about adding vegatable oil or more specifically, olive oil to compost at different times?  I read in Paul Stamets' "The Mushroom Cultivator", he says commercial growers sometimes add it during the composting stage and it can be added with necessary amounts of gypsum prior to pasteurization.

      So, if you could design your Perfect mushroom substrate what would it consist of if you don't mind sharing???  Haha.... Mine is a mixture of aged hpoo, chopped straw, coco coir with small amounts of olive oil and of course gypsum.  Along with small amounts of unsulphured blackstrap molasses.  :thumbup::heart::mushroom2:


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: Threads from God89] * 1
    #24781450 - 11/13/17 11:56 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Oil and molasses in a substrate sounds like a hassle and easy fail.

My ideal substrate is coir. Because price and prep and ease of obtaining it. And the difference in results if any isn't obvious enough for us to notice despite years of collective experience


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24781452 - 11/13/17 11:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you very much Bodhisatta.  If you had easy access to good, aged horse poo, would you incorporate it into your coir?


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: Threads from God89]
    #24781457 - 11/14/17 12:04 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

If you can get manure it is great...nothing better then free


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24781460 - 11/14/17 12:09 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Oil and molasses in a substrate sounds like a hassle and easy fail.

My ideal substrate is coir. Because price and prep and ease of obtaining it. And the difference in results if any isn't obvious enough for us to notice despite years of collective experience




Since you have a TON of experience using coir,  are all kinds created equally?  Is there any types of coir a mushroom grower should not use?


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: Threads from God89]
    #24781463 - 11/14/17 12:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Thank you very much Bodhisatta.  If you had easy access to good, aged horse poo, would you incorporate it into your coir?



Probably not. Pasteurizing is something I don't need to spend time on.
Unless it made for twice as good of a grow I would rather make twice as much coir because all it takes is boiling water.

Never found a coir that hasn't worked just fine yet.


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: cronicr]
    #24781465 - 11/14/17 12:12 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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If you can get manure it is great...nothing better then free





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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: Threads from God89]
    #24781466 - 11/14/17 12:14 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Coir is like 1-3$ a tub. I would pay someone 10$ a tub to pasteurize the manure for me lol.

Straw is dirt cheap. Works great too. But for the hassle fuck straw. If you could do it all outside or in a warehouse then i would probably use straw rather than coir. Ive had success with boiling water and some lime or lye. Also even if you do pasteurize straw its easier to handle moisture content and draining with straw. Manure is better to get to proper moisture content first then pasteurise which is a space hassle since then its pasteurised in bags or jars.

Straw just hangs to dry. You can even weigh the bags with a fish scale


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24781477 - 11/14/17 12:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Hey right on Bod!  That makes sense.  Why mess with it if you don't have to? Lol.

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Coir is like 1-3$ a tub. I would pay someone 10$ a tub to pasteurize the manure for me lol.

Straw is dirt cheap. Works great too. But for the hassle fuck straw. If you could do it all outside or in a warehouse then i would probably use straw rather than coir. Ive had success with boiling water and some lime or lye.



 
    Right, friggin' straw gets everywhere... I have a hell of a time chopping ENOUGH of it up into small enough pieces too.  Tomorrow I think im going to put some in a big, clean plastic trash can and chop it up with a weed whipper!!!  Haha, see how that works.  Neighbors may wonder wtf though....:grin::grin::shocked:


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: Threads from God89]
    #24781487 - 11/14/17 12:39 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24781521 - 11/14/17 01:16 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Coir is like 1-3$ a tub. I would pay someone 10$ a tub to pasteurize the manure for me lol.

Straw is dirt cheap. Works great too. But for the hassle fuck straw. If you could do it all outside or in a warehouse then i would probably use straw rather than coir. Ive had success with boiling water and some lime or lye. Also even if you do pasteurize straw its easier to handle moisture content and draining with straw. Manure is better to get to proper moisture content first then pasteurise which is a space hassle since then its pasteurised in bags or jars.

Straw just hangs to dry. You can even weigh the bags with a fish scale



What's harder about it...I mean the same pot of water your gonna boil to bucket tek it will pasturize it


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: krypto2000]
    #24781523 - 11/14/17 01:22 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: cronicr]
    #24781527 - 11/14/17 01:29 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Coir is like 1-3$ a tub. I would pay someone 10$ a tub to pasteurize the manure for me lol.

Straw is dirt cheap. Works great too. But for the hassle fuck straw. If you could do it all outside or in a warehouse then i would probably use straw rather than coir. Ive had success with boiling water and some lime or lye. Also even if you do pasteurize straw its easier to handle moisture content and draining with straw. Manure is better to get to proper moisture content first then pasteurise which is a space hassle since then its pasteurised in bags or jars.

Straw just hangs to dry. You can even weigh the bags with a fish scale



What's harder about it...I mean the same pot of water your gonna boil to bucket tek it will pasturize it




  Straw can also be pasteurized by aerobic fermentation too I think, and you can use molasses to kick off this process!  :wink:


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: cronicr]
    #24781959 - 11/14/17 10:10 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Having to come back to turn it off.
Having to load bags or jars
Having to hit field capacity first
Having to monitor temperature.
Having to unload bags or jars later.
Then having unclean bags and jars

Vs boiling water and dumping in a bucket and coming back the next day.


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24782020 - 11/14/17 10:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Use a sous-vide setup with an drum/tub etc.

Perfect pasteurization. Can have a Bluetooth or WiFi controller. No worries about temp,time,nada.

Poo, verm, straw, canola oil, gypsum. Perlite can help fluff in small quantities


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: Snazz]
    #24782031 - 11/14/17 10:49 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

I use a cooler that I turned into a steam pasteurizer. I load my shit into bags, stick a probe in the center of one, and once it reaches ~40C I cut it off. It'll rise to 65-70C and hold it for long enough to do the job. I don't have to worry about the moisture content either, if it's too wet it drains, if it's too dry it absorbs water from the steam. I can probably fit about 5-10 pillow cases worth of substrate in there at a time, not too sure as I've never needed to fit more than 2.


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: Snazz]
    #24782033 - 11/14/17 10:50 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Still gotta load jars or bags with field capacity substrate.

Vs measuring water boiling and pouring.

And I'm never going to use a pillow case or other similar draining device for substrate


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24782047 - 11/14/17 10:58 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Sous-vide and mycobags for Pan-tastic fruits


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24782151 - 11/14/17 11:48 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

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Having to come back to turn it off.
Having to load bags or jars
Having to hit field capacity first
Having to monitor temperature.
Having to unload bags or jars later.
Then having unclean bags and jars

Vs boiling water and dumping in a bucket and coming back the next day.




I just have one major concern with this whole concept of pouring boiling water into a non-food grade container. (5-gallon bucket.)  Plastics are rated for food-use based on each type of containers chemical manufacturing compounds, such as poly-propylene: (PP, which is usually safe for boiling liquids), Poly-styrene: (PS, which is styrofoam, and I will NOT drink anything HOT from it.) And Poly-ethylene: (PE) just to name few examples.

    In my house we are big fans of not boiling things in plastic containers UNLESS we have to, even if they are rated a "PP-5", which is supposedly "safe" for boiling foods.  I just do not trust consuming hot liquids or foods from plastics as the heat can cause the plastic to leach manufacturing chemicals into the foods, potentially causing health problems.

      Blah, blah... My point is though, a 5 gallon bucket is only rated a "PP-2".  Which means it is not rated for "Hot-food use".  The boiling water added to the bucket with the coir could potentially leach harmful chemicals into the pasteurizing coco coir. 

      Just wanted to bring that to people's attention that may use the "5-gallon bucket tek" for coir pasteurization.  You may be exposing yourself and anyone else who consumes resulting fruits to unseen levels of polyphenols leaching from the bucket. :eek:

      I have always had concerns with that method due to that food-safety fact.    :heart::heart::heart:

      No offense to anyone who uses that technique.  I just wanted to possibly bring that to my fellow shroomerites attention. :thumbup:


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Re: What would the perfect, ideal substrate consist of? (ingredients) [Re: Threads from God89]
    #24782176 - 11/14/17 12:04 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

You can grow mushrooms on crude oil and petroleum waste and still eat them. Im 0% worried about plastic.


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