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I really need some advice
    #24778839 - 11/12/17 11:41 PM (29 days, 8 hours ago)

Okay so I've had a post or 2 lately but haven't been able to provide adequate information for the main question I have so far is, am I giving these cakes what they need in order to produce some fruit? So this is my setup, it's obviously a stealth grow hence you can tell by how the sgfc is stored. Anyhow, yes I am aware that my tote is a good bit shallow it was what came with a kit I got online that came with the pre filled jars and what not all I had to do was inoculate them. So at first I thought I didn't have enough holes on this sgfc so I ended up drilling holes on all sides including the bottom where the perlite rests. I have cut back a lot on the misting, I wait until the cakes seem just a bit dry as well as the verm that they were rolled in and then I gently mist over top the cakes and let the water fall down on top but I also gently mist the sides so the cakes just start to glisten. I then fan with the lid and lately somebody on here told me maybe i should take the lid off and put it off set to get more FAE. Anyways here are 2 pics that I have to show exactly what I'm dealing with here. Also if you can see in the picture that is showing where the tote is stored, the light that I am using for the cakes is attached to the cinderblock that sits right across from the tote.



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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24778883 - 11/13/17 12:32 AM (29 days, 7 hours ago)

Needs more perlite, fanning is pointless ,kits suck. is there holes in the lid?
Is it resting on the ground or raised? Should be raised.

I can't really tell but your cakes look a little dry. You want them to have beads of moisture on them all the time.

Something else but I can't remember.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: van hatton]
    #24778884 - 11/13/17 12:34 AM (29 days, 7 hours ago)

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Needs more perlite, fanning is pointless ,kits suck. is there holes in the lid?
Is it resting on the ground or raised? Should be raised.

I can't really tell but your cakes look a little dry. You want them to have beads of moisture on them all the time.

Something else but I can't remember.



Yes it's raised, no there are no holes in the lid. Also I just now added about another half inch to inch of perlite.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24778907 - 11/13/17 12:51 AM (29 days, 7 hours ago)

Hard to tell how much u got in there should be at least 4-6 inches.

Forget cracking the lid just put holes in it grid style 2x2 if I remember right.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: van hatton]
    #24779242 - 11/13/17 08:33 AM (28 days, 23 hours ago)

Another thing,  if your putting it under that table its not getting much air flow.  I had mine in a big closet and it wasn't doing well.  I moved it to a more open area and now I'm getting better results.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: sir_spins_alot]
    #24779329 - 11/13/17 09:30 AM (28 days, 22 hours ago)

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Another thing,  if your putting it under that table its not getting much air flow.  I had mine in a big closet and it wasn't doing well.  I moved it to a more open area and now I'm getting better results.




yes I completely agree that it probably isnt getting optimum airflow and thats another reason why i was manually fanning it. My first grow was in a closet and it did very well. I'm really hoping I can get at least some fruit out of this grow I've been so patient


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779370 - 11/13/17 09:47 AM (28 days, 22 hours ago)

Also one more thing, where I am growing it's like a tiny little room on its own that is sealed off from visibility by a magnetic door that goes on right where im taking the pic from


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779379 - 11/13/17 09:52 AM (28 days, 22 hours ago)

You will get fruits.  Mushrooms are resilient.  They just won't grow to their full potential.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: sir_spins_alot]
    #24779406 - 11/13/17 10:03 AM (28 days, 22 hours ago)

When you say full potential are you talking quantity and quality? One or the other or both? I was hoping to get at least an eighth per cake per flush, of course dry that is.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779436 - 11/13/17 10:17 AM (28 days, 22 hours ago)

Just follow the Teks man.. Build the SGFC like it's supposed to be built and use it like it's supposed to be used. If you just follow the Teks success will follow soon :shrug:


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: Mateah]
    #24779444 - 11/13/17 10:20 AM (28 days, 21 hours ago)

Well that was the plan but I didn't realize the kit I ordered would give me such a shallow tote. I've been following it Im trying to make sure everything looks alright.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779494 - 11/13/17 10:39 AM (28 days, 21 hours ago)

What does the size of the tote have to do with the fact that you didn't drill holes in the top and that you placed the SGFC in s small unventilated area? If you follow the Teks you won't make these mistakes!


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779500 - 11/13/17 10:42 AM (28 days, 21 hours ago)

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Another thing,  if your putting it under that table its not getting much air flow.  I had mine in a big closet and it wasn't doing well.  I moved it to a more open area and now I'm getting better results.




yes I completely agree that it probably isnt getting optimum airflow and thats another reason why i was manually fanning it. My first grow was in a closet and it did very well. I'm really hoping I can get at least some fruit out of this grow I've been so patient



Manual fanning requires 6-10 fannings an hour to make up for the FAE it gets if built correctly


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24779523 - 11/13/17 10:53 AM (28 days, 21 hours ago)

Well that's the only area I can place this thing at the moment excuse me. Plus I wasn't aware of the holes in the top because I didn't do it with my last grow either and things came out how I anticipated then.

If I just add these holes to the top then will I be in better shape?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779547 - 11/13/17 10:59 AM (28 days, 21 hours ago)

Well, at least you will have a SGFC if you drill holes in the top. A SGFC is a good FC for your mushrooms.


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    #24779554 - 11/13/17 11:01 AM (28 days, 21 hours ago)

My advice is if you have to hide your sgfc rethink growing mushrooms at this time in your life.

And if you're going to build a sgfc at least follow the directions.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: Mateah]
    #24779570 - 11/13/17 11:04 AM (28 days, 21 hours ago)

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Well, at least you will have a SGFC if you drill holes in the top. A SGFC is a good FC for your mushrooms.



Okay well I appreciate that. I can show a picture of this little room that they are in, and I guess technically I could pull them out from under that thing because if someone looks in that little room to begin with they'll see them no matter what, it was just like making me feel safer keeping it under there for some reason. I'm going to post a pic here in a few minutes of this "little room" and I would like some feedback on that as well if I may please ask.

Okay so here is what I am working with


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24779579 - 11/13/17 11:05 AM (28 days, 21 hours ago)

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My advice is if you have to hide your sgfc rethink growing mushrooms at this time in your life.

And if you're going to build a sgfc at least follow the directions.



Thank you for your advice. I mean not to sound jerky but, unless you're living in a place where it is legal to grow psilocybes then you are still hiding them from the law at that point.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779651 - 11/13/17 11:30 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

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Okay so here is what I am working with





Was the photo taken from a window? Or a door? I don't understand this picture, can you provide some measurements of the room? :smile:
SGFC need at least e few meter around it and some air movement to work properly. Are you occupying that room or another one?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24779661 - 11/13/17 11:33 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

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My advice is if you have to hide your sgfc rethink growing mushrooms at this time in your life.

And if you're going to build a sgfc at least follow the directions.




  I think he got the fc with a kit of some sort.  Not that he can't modify it.  Or just drill a bunch of holes in a 5 dollar tote.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779666 - 11/13/17 11:34 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

Your right but he's not talking about the law.  He means any prying eyes such as family or roommates.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: Mateah]
    #24779681 - 11/13/17 11:38 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

okay the room is just for a sump pump it has to be at least 8 feet tall in there. where the picture is taken from, well its just a boxed off area of the basement with a magnetic panel that is just a little bigger than the whole cut out for it so it can have a cover which sticks to the wall to cover up this square hole.This room is no wider than this picture really and is not being occupied at all just when i go and check on my cakes, there is plenty of room to stick this tote behind that hole.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: sir_spins_alot]
    #24779683 - 11/13/17 11:39 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

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Your right but he's not talking about the law.  He means any prying eyes such as family or roommates.



I understand, but I'm this far into it I don't want to just abandon ship now...i don't think I have the heart to


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779694 - 11/13/17 11:43 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

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Your right but he's not talking about the law.  He means any prying eyes such as family or roommates.



I understand, but I'm this far into it I don't want to just abandon ship now...i don't think I have the heart to




I'm starting to wonder if not your your setup would do better if you cracked the lid 90 degrees and kept it that way during the days and put it back on when you go to bed. There is not much air circulation in your room and I'm afraid the cakes will suffocate in there with the lid on. Wait for the opinion of more experienced growers!


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: Mateah]
    #24779704 - 11/13/17 11:47 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

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Your right but he's not talking about the law.  He means any prying eyes such as family or roommates.



I understand, but I'm this far into it I don't want to just abandon ship now...i don't think I have the heart to




I'm starting to wonder if not your your setup would do better if you cracked the lid 90 degrees and kept it that way during the days and put it back on when you go to bed. There is not much air circulation in your room and I'm afraid the cakes will suffocate in there with the lid on. Wait for the opinion of more experienced growers!




Okay I am planning on drilling holes in the lid asap. Are you implying that even with drilled holes and as a real sgfc that it is still going to suffocate in there?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779720 - 11/13/17 11:53 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

Yes, I'm afraid that even with a properly built SGFC the mycelium will suffer from the lack of air currents in the room. So in that case placing the long side of the lid across the short side of the bin will open up more at the top of the bin allowing for much more FAE. This will require that you keep a closer eye on the cakes to make sure they don't dry out. Mist as needed.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: Mateah]
    #24779725 - 11/13/17 11:56 AM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

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Yes, I'm afraid that even with a properly built SGFC the mycelium will suffer from the lack of air currents in the room. So in that case placing the long side of the lid across the short side of the bin will open up more at the top of the bin allowing for much more FAE. This will require that you keep a closer eye on the cakes to make sure they don't dry out. Mist as needed.



Okay, I obviously won't expect much yield this grow just because of lack of planning. When I do this again in the future it will be done a lot better. live and learn i guess. Will these guys still produce any fruit though? I'm so nervous about getting absolutely nothing. I at least wanted a few grams per cake per flush


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779736 - 11/13/17 12:00 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

I agree I wouldn't abort the grow.  Keep pushing on the best you can.


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    #24779745 - 11/13/17 12:04 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

I will thank you. I just pray that I can get something at least :confused:


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    #24779749 - 11/13/17 12:04 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

The more time and thought that goes into it the better the results. I feel if you half ass it then expect half ass results. If you're worried about FAE then build a proper FC and then you don't have to worry or try and skate by with a poorly built FC. Teks are written to be followed EXACTLY not to pick out the parts you like and go from there.

My advice is to get a rack, put it in the middle of the room, elevate your FC, drill all the holes the right way, get more perlite, and if you need a new tote go out and spend the $7 and 20 mins and build it right. They shouldn't suffocate in a SGFC if it's built right and has adequate room around it. You'll still get fruits so don't worry there, how much is anyone's guess.


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    #24779763 - 11/13/17 12:11 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

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The more time and thought that goes into it the better the results. I feel if you half ass it then expect half ass results. If you're worried about FAE then build a proper FC and then you don't have to worry or try and skate by with a poorly built FC. Teks are written to be followed EXACTLY not to pick out the parts you like and go from there.

My advice is to get a rack, put it in the middle of the room, elevate your FC, drill all the holes the right way, get more perlite, and if you need a new tote go out and spend the $7 and 20 mins and build it right. They shouldn't suffocate in a SGFC if it's built right and has adequate room around it. You'll still get fruits so don't worry there, how much is anyone's guess.




Okay I'm not going to be able to get a brand new tote this grow, just for reasons if i explained id be here all day but anyway transportation is a bit of a problem right now. What I can do though, is drill the holes in the top like I said I would, I planned on moving it out from under there and more towards the middle of the room, obviously propped up on a rack if I can find one.


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    #24779778 - 11/13/17 12:15 PM (28 days, 20 hours ago)

oh and I did add more perlite but if I add anymore then the cakes are going to be almost as tall as the bin itself then the lid wont fit on.


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    #24779790 - 11/13/17 12:20 PM (28 days, 19 hours ago)

Put holes on the lid.  Make sure there's holes in the bottom and fan as much as possible in that tight space.  Good luck.


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    #24779812 - 11/13/17 12:26 PM (28 days, 19 hours ago)

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Put holes on the lid.  Make sure there's holes in the bottom and fan as much as possible in that tight space.  Good luck.



so you do advise to fan even with holes in the top? Pretty much that's how ive been doing it just without the holes on top which is going to make a big difference im sure


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779831 - 11/13/17 12:36 PM (28 days, 19 hours ago)

In that tight little space yes I would fan.


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    #24779835 - 11/13/17 12:37 PM (28 days, 19 hours ago)

roger that, can do. I'm going to be honest though. this room is at least 3 times the size of the closet that i grew in last time and i got a significant yield then, but my tote was taller and I had a better light at that time.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24779956 - 11/13/17 01:17 PM (28 days, 19 hours ago)

Okay guys, here is an update. I have moved the tote from where it was and placed it on top of 4 mason jars (which i did a balance test to see if I would take one jar out if it would collapse and I am proud to say it did not so I know even if it doesn't look like it, it is safe how it is.) I finally drilled the holes in through the top and I fanned the chamber for the 4th time today. I misted it earlier on this morning about several hours ago and it still seems to be pretty damp all the cakes and verm are fairly moist still.



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    #24779963 - 11/13/17 01:20 PM (28 days, 18 hours ago)

Much better.  Take pics of you're cakes when you get a chance.


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    #24779986 - 11/13/17 01:27 PM (28 days, 18 hours ago)

Here you are. the one in the back by itself has been in there the longest out of all. This is probably day 4 or 5 for it. The other 2 just got birthed 2 days ago.



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    #24780131 - 11/13/17 02:24 PM (28 days, 17 hours ago)

I also hope that my lighting source will be fine. It's just a push on push off triple A operated led light. It's supposed to stick to things, it came with the kit. The sticky part has ran out and so I have just been putting the light in the tote in a corner turned on facing the cakes. I let them take in that light overnight while I sleep so I hope it is sufficient enough.


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    #24780314 - 11/13/17 03:29 PM (28 days, 16 hours ago)

Doesn't sound like sufficient lighting to me


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    #24780523 - 11/13/17 05:11 PM (28 days, 15 hours ago)

Well I have a nice plug in LED but I can't draw attention with wires and what not.If I can just tape the light to the top lid it should be fine correct?


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    #24783539 - 11/14/17 11:01 PM (27 days, 9 hours ago)

Alright guys this is an update of how things have been going. I changed everything I could still have that same led light I'm using. Anyway here is a couple pictures of the cakes. The oldest cake in the FC is only a week old. I'm starting to get a little nervous though as I havent seen any pins forming on the oldest one yet should I be stressing? I fan multiple times a day still, and i only mist when gently when the cakes aren't shiny. I really hope someone can say I'm fine not to worry I feel like I'm worrying too much about it.



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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24783548 - 11/14/17 11:03 PM (27 days, 9 hours ago)

You definitely worry way too much. Stop stressing they will pin when they are ready. I had cakes in my FC for almost two weeks before they pinned.


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    #24783557 - 11/14/17 11:09 PM (27 days, 9 hours ago)

I know I worry too much, it's just when you go to look at them everyday each day and you're anticipating seeing the first ones and nothing is there, it sort of makes me feel like i did everything wrong or something. And I can't remember if cakes can go bad with time or not or how any of that works.


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    #24783560 - 11/14/17 11:11 PM (27 days, 9 hours ago)

You can't make them grow any faster sorry. Let it do its thing. Nature always finds a way.


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    #24789216 - 11/17/17 01:07 PM (24 days, 19 hours ago)

Starting to get really frustrated as I still have no pins. Not even on the cake that's been in there almost 2 weeks. This is it's 2nd week. The other 2 cakes have been in there almost a week now tomorrow actually. I'm constantly fanning to try and cause evaporation. I don't let the cakes get too dry before misting again. I will mist when that shiny coat of water is no longer there. What the hell is going on?


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    #24789237 - 11/17/17 01:13 PM (24 days, 19 hours ago)

Fanning is pointless. The tub has 100s of holes. You're only supposed to fan after misting. The sgfc is nearly automatic don't make it a hassle. Mist it a couple times a day and be patient


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    #24790438 - 11/17/17 10:48 PM (24 days, 9 hours ago)

I know that my end answer is just be patient, but I also wanted to know if it were possible for mycelium (cakes in particular) just end up never growing anything but yet staying white and healthy looking?


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    #24790490 - 11/17/17 11:08 PM (24 days, 9 hours ago)

Yes these is change your cakes don't produce at all, after three weeks if nothing then dunk again and wait a couple more weeks. Be patient man :wink:


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    #24790931 - 11/18/17 07:50 AM (24 days, 28 minutes ago)

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Yes these is change your cakes don't produce at all, after three weeks if nothing then dunk again and wait a couple more weeks. Be patient man :wink:



oh okay sweet so i can still have another chance if the don't do anything the first few weeks? I heard about scraping with a fork then dunking to stimulate the mycelium. Is that still a thing? If so should I do so if these guys don't produce in the next week or 2? If so that's a relief to me because in my head it was like if these guys don't pin after 2 weeks I'm screwed.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24790945 - 11/18/17 08:04 AM (24 days, 14 minutes ago)

By the way I'm still using that push on and off stick to the wall LED light as my light source. It's a bit of an issue to find a way to use a regular CFL without drawing attention. I'd have to have it kick on late night and shut off early morning or something, plus I need to find an extension cord that I know has to be laying around here somewhere, in order for me to even put that light in anyway. The LED I have in there right now is actually a nice little light source. It's extremely bright, expect the only problem with it is that it get dimmer throughout the night. It's starts out real bright, then within like 30 minutes its really dim. Maybe this is why I haven't seen anything yet?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24790988 - 11/18/17 08:42 AM (23 days, 23 hours ago)

Ya they do need proper light.  Amibent sunlight works fine. 

But a few hours a night of led dimming aint cutting it broh.


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    #24791003 - 11/18/17 08:58 AM (23 days, 23 hours ago)

Okay I will try and change it asap because ambient sunlight isnt possible unfortunately. Only thing is, I won't be able to set the light on top without melting the top part of the tub. I'm going to have to like lay it down pointing up at the cakes. It might look ghetto but will it do?


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    #24791036 - 11/18/17 09:27 AM (23 days, 22 hours ago)

You might melt the tub?

If I only have one tub I just lay a four foot floro light on top of it.

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    #24791046 - 11/18/17 09:35 AM (23 days, 22 hours ago)

Okay, and the holes will allow  enough light to pass through? My tote lid isn't clear it's white.


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    #24791066 - 11/18/17 09:50 AM (23 days, 22 hours ago)

Oh that could be problematic. Hm..


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    #24791073 - 11/18/17 09:52 AM (23 days, 22 hours ago)

ugh so frustrating. Will 5000k work? I got plenty of 5000k 1125lm bulbs


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    #24791091 - 11/18/17 10:04 AM (23 days, 22 hours ago)

okay here the kit i bought came with 2 Grow Lights- 3 diode 5000k LED & 3 diode 2700k LED. Im guessing the push on LED is the lesser of the 2. Last time I did this I just used a standard light bulb and it all worked out fine lol.


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    #24791103 - 11/18/17 10:11 AM (23 days, 22 hours ago)

Here is the mf I would like to use....



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    #24791113 - 11/18/17 10:19 AM (23 days, 21 hours ago)

What if I did something like soak the perlite and wet the cakes then take off the lid so the cakes can get light from this being screwed in above it? I would end up restoring the lid during the day when the light is off obviously. Or is that no good....:mad:


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    #24791164 - 11/18/17 10:53 AM (23 days, 21 hours ago)

Actually I think I figured it out, f*** that lid idea. How does this config look?



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    #24791169 - 11/18/17 10:55 AM (23 days, 21 hours ago)

In all honesty you have reached the limits with what can be tweaked with, you really need to have a proper setup or wait with growing mushrooms until you have a setup that allows your u to grow healthy mushrooms :shrug: there's really not much we can help you with if you don't even have the most basic environment for your mushies.


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    #24791176 - 11/18/17 11:00 AM (23 days, 21 hours ago)

Yeah I'm not arguing with you there, after this turns out I'm going to just wait until I can set it up all properly. It all just went down in my head one way and turned out another. That being said I really do not want to just throw in the towel now. I built the sgfc wrong at first but fixed it. The only thing it lacked really was proper lighting. But I truthfully think what I have setup now should work.


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    #24791177 - 11/18/17 11:00 AM (23 days, 21 hours ago)

:whathesaid: also there is an edit button For your posts.


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:whathesaid: also there is an edit button For your posts.



my bad. Can I get an opinion on this light config though? Please?


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    #24791187 - 11/18/17 11:06 AM (23 days, 21 hours ago)

Is there light? Yes?
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Also :whathesaid: for what your trying to accomplish

They aren't like plants which rely on a really good light to do really well.


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    #24791206 - 11/18/17 11:13 AM (23 days, 21 hours ago)

The lighting you got would probably produce decent yield if all the other FC standards had been met. But your chances are really slim at this point. I see perhaps a few puny fruits and aborts in the future with this setup at best I'm reply sorry to say this I know that you are very well aware that this is a bad setup and I know that you are planning on doing it better next time and that you only want to squeeze out what you can from this setup since you got nothing to lose, I understand you. Place the lamp where it stands and fruit withh the lid turned 90 degrees and check on them often.

Your tub is too small to allow for proper FAE and the room it's in is also to small to provide for natural air currents (which you need to have a fully functioning SGFC) that why I advise you to fruit with the lid turned 90 degrees like I explained to you a few days ago! GL man hope you aare least get some fruits, take good care of it, check on it often!


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    #24791219 - 11/18/17 11:18 AM (23 days, 21 hours ago)

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The lighting you got would probably produce decent yield if all the other FC standards had been met. But your chances are really slim at this point. I see perhaps a few puny fruits and aborts in the future with this setup at best I'm reply sorry to say this I know that you are very well aware that this is a bad setup and I know that you are planning on doing it better next time and that you only want to squeeze out what you can from this setup since you got nothing to lose, I understand you. Place the lamp where it stands and fruit withh the lid turned 90 degrees and check on them often.

Your tub is too small to allow for proper FAE and the room it's in is also to small to provide for natural air currents (which you need to have a fully functioning SGFC) that why I advise you to fruit with the lid turned 90 degrees like I explained to you a few days ago! GL man hope you aare least get some fruits, take good care of it, check on it often!




Thank you for the advice I'm pretty optimistic about the yield though I mean my FC although its small. isn't too poorly built. It does have enough holes for airflow even if airflow is very little in that room, I'm constantly down there fanning and misting an just checking on them in general. I'm just going to have to wait and see.


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    #24791428 - 11/18/17 01:29 PM (23 days, 18 hours ago)

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Also :whathesaid: for what your trying to accomplish

They aren't like plants which rely on a really good light to do really well.



This made me curious to ask, is light positioning more of a factor than light quality? By light positioning I mean, like how most people have their lights directly down towards their shrooms so that they grow upward. As opposed to like how I have mine setup where there light is on one side of the cakes (which on a side note, I'm able to place the light I have in the picture up there, on top of the tub and the lights is shinning right through to the top onto the cakes and the sides are getting some ambient lighting from that too I think this is how I will do it.)


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    #24791438 - 11/18/17 01:33 PM (23 days, 18 hours ago)

Nah the mushrooms tend to grow towards light for whatever reason

When I stack monos I just lean the light against the side of the tubs. If I feel picky then I'll move to light to the other side so they even out more.


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Okay makes sense. Well considering I do have everything I'm supposed to have now after doing some digging around the house and stuff. The biggest thing I am most likely lacking is airflow like mateah up there said. I am trying my best to fan when i can even though bodhisatta is right about the sgfc not needing fanning other than after misting I was sorta fanning to replace the fact that there is probably poor air circulation in there. I wish there was a way other than this grow lol, to tell if there was for sure poor flow. I now have the light on top of the tub and it seems to be lighting the inside fairly well. I can see all the perlite and the sides aren't completely darkened so I mean that's good. It's definitely better than wtf I was using before lmao. I'll give the cakes another week or 2 before dunking again


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    #24793445 - 11/19/17 12:58 PM (22 days, 19 hours ago)

So I tried out this light for the 1st 12 hours, and I swear I'm starting to see some raised puffy and bumpy mycelium on top. I hope it's actual primordia! Could I get some  opinions on these cakes? Too wet, dry,anything wrong with them at all just from looks?



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I ended up editing in some pictures of the cakes (taken today) Looking okay?


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Looks pretty good! Make sure the cakes have dried off a bit before you mist them again. You want them to go from being covered with tiny droplets
to where they have evaporated off most of the surface moisture. Then you give them another good misting and let them evaporate.
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Looks pretty good! Make sure the cakes have dried off a bit before you mist them again. You want them to go from being covered with tiny droplets
to where they have evaporated off most of the surface moisture. Then you give them another good misting and let them evaporate.
This is the rhythm you want :thumbup:



Thank you for this, it's a good confidence boost for me that this isn't over yet. I am so glad I was able to put this light to use and I have high hopes for it and truthfully believe it has already helped


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    #24797123 - 11/21/17 05:18 AM (21 days, 3 hours ago)

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Okay so here is what I am working with





Was the photo taken from a window? Or a door? I don't understand this picture, can you provide some measurements of the room? :smile:
SGFC need at least e few meter around it and some air movement to work properly. Are you occupying that room or another one?





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Okay so here is what I am working with





Was the photo taken from a window? Or a door? I don't understand this picture, can you provide some measurements of the room? :smile:
SGFC need at least e few meter around it and some air movement to work properly. Are you occupying that room or another one?




Yes it is a sump pump lol it was a very tiny room built specifically for the sump pump and to hide it from view. Right now the cakes smell very shroomy There are bumps starting to form on the top now that the light has been in there for a few days. It runs from like 8PM to 6AM and sometimes I try to make it a full 12 hrs. I figured this would be enough, no heat emits from the light source but the cakes dry out by mid day if I let them go through the night. Then I spray them nice and good through the day and the get fanned well for a good 20-30 seconds. I really hope these guys start pinning soon they are so far behind like ugh im getting so frustrated what can I do..are they ever going to pin??


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24798678 - 11/21/17 09:59 PM (20 days, 10 hours ago)

Alright so, cakes are starting to get dry quicker. Should I attempt a scrape with a clean fork and another dunk? After that, I really don't know what else to say, think, or do until I do this next time when circumstances are correct. Anyone got anything else to add? Also when I do this scraping of the cake surface with a clean fork, am I to use the end part of the fork to scrape, or one of the sides of the fork? Also how hard do I scrape? I don't want t entirely bruise the mycelium


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24798692 - 11/21/17 10:07 PM (20 days, 10 hours ago)

What's with the scraping? Drowning the cakes for a few hours is enough, no need to massacre them with a fork...


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: Mateah]
    #24798707 - 11/21/17 10:16 PM (20 days, 10 hours ago)

I heard about it from other threads about how it's supposed to be stimulating to the mycelium to grow or something. They only need a few hours this time? Not like a full 12 to 24 again?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24798713 - 11/21/17 10:22 PM (20 days, 9 hours ago)

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Alright so, cakes are starting to get dry quicker. Should I attempt a scrape with a clean fork and another dunk? After that, I really don't know what else to say, think, or do until I do this next time when circumstances are correct. Anyone got anything else to add? Also when I do this scraping of the cake surface with a clean fork, am I to use the end part of the fork to scrape, or one of the sides of the fork? Also how hard do I scrape? I don't want t entirely bruise the mycelium




I haven't heard of scraping. Just dunk them for 8-12 hours and you'll be fine.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: Yonatin]
    #24798719 - 11/21/17 10:26 PM (20 days, 9 hours ago)

Okay, well if anybody is interested in where I read about scraping. Here's the link

https://mycotopia.net/topic/90570-my-cakes-just-wont-start-pinning/


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24799545 - 11/22/17 10:59 AM (19 days, 21 hours ago)

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Okay, well if anybody is interested in where I read about scraping. Here's the link

https://mycotopia.net/topic/90570-my-cakes-just-wont-start-pinning/




One guy suggested it and noone backed him up, not a good source.

Sounds like a terrible idea to me.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: AyePlus]
    #24799650 - 11/22/17 12:02 PM (19 days, 20 hours ago)

Alright well I just dunked them and nothing else. I re added them to the FC this morning. Would be nice to see some growth come from this in a few weeks.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24799652 - 11/22/17 12:03 PM (19 days, 20 hours ago)

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Okay, well if anybody is interested in where I read about scraping. Here's the link

https://mycotopia.net/topic/90570-my-cakes-just-wont-start-pinning/



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    #24799656 - 11/22/17 12:03 PM (19 days, 20 hours ago)

That entire site is a trove of bad advice and misinformation


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    #24799665 - 11/22/17 12:11 PM (19 days, 20 hours ago)

Will keep in mind. Thanks


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24801064 - 11/22/17 11:50 PM (19 days, 8 hours ago)

Question again, I understand that using fans to get FAE is a bad idea because of how quick the cakes dry out. In my case I have a miniature wireless fan that has 3 settings. I though of maybe placing it in a corner not blowing directly on the tote but just to get some FAE going. Bad idea? I'm just trying to think of anything I can do at this point I'm so nervous that I'm just going to get zip out of this. Everything looks and smells just fine. I'm hoping this dunk will do something. I used colder water when I dunked by the way. Not too cold but just colder if it matters.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24804536 - 11/24/17 10:46 PM (17 days, 9 hours ago)

Okay  so here is an update on the cakes, they smell shroomy still. As you can see I have gotten a new lamp for my light, and I took Mateah's advice about turning the lid to 90 degrees for better FAE I've been able to keep  the humidity where it needs to be, is it possible the process has just been slowed dramatically? Or is there really no point at this point? I don't want to have a dud grow :frown:



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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24804593 - 11/24/17 11:12 PM (17 days, 9 hours ago)

They look over saturated to me, and I can see some slight yellowing in the first pic, indicating to me some bacteria. Bacteria is usually not an issue in cakes, but when given extra H2O bacteria can spread and thrive. ONLY mist when vermiculite is lightning in color indicating it is drying out.

How long since birthing the cakes? I am assuming no flushes at all yet, sorry only looked at the last page.

EDIT

How many inch deep is the perlite and is that SGCF sitting on the floor?

Since it looks to be in a basement, what is the temp of that area?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24804604 - 11/24/17 11:17 PM (17 days, 9 hours ago)

Yeah no flushes yet :/ I have dunked 2 of the cakes twice now, once before birthing and once again after 2 weeks. It's been about 18 days I think. I'ts so frustrating that I haven't gotten anything, but then again they had no lights for the first week and a half this past half week has been the only time they have received efficient light. These pics were taken right after misting.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24804611 - 11/24/17 11:19 PM (17 days, 8 hours ago)

I figured, but based on my experience with cakes and looking at clues on the mycelium, I still think they may be getting misted to heavily. Spray the mist in the air above them and let it fall onto the cakes. Spraying cakes directly can cause bad issues.

What are the temps and is the FC sitting straight on the ground?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24804621 - 11/24/17 11:25 PM (17 days, 8 hours ago)

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I figured, but based on my experience with cakes and looking at clues on the mycelium, I still think they may be getting misted to heavily. Spray the mist in the air above them and let it fall onto the cakes. Spraying cakes directly can cause bad issues.

What are the temps and is the FC sitting straight on the ground?




Temps are about 67-70 degrees F and NO the FC is on the old mason jars that I grew the cakes in haha. Are you saying/thinking they still can grow fruit at anytime?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24804624 - 11/24/17 11:27 PM (17 days, 8 hours ago)

They could if they are not over saturated. If they are waterlogged they will need to dry out some 1st. Cakes for the win!



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Re: I really need some advice [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24804629 - 11/24/17 11:29 PM (17 days, 8 hours ago)

Well I try not to mist until the cakes literally feel a bit dry


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24804632 - 11/24/17 11:31 PM (17 days, 8 hours ago)

Ok just don't mist to much at once. You want to just see fin mist droplets on there. Yours look like they got hosed down.

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    #24804639 - 11/24/17 11:32 PM (17 days, 8 hours ago)

Ugh I really hope you're right here about this and I can at least get something out of these damn things I've waited like almost 2 months now


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24804644 - 11/24/17 11:33 PM (17 days, 8 hours ago)

Do you think I should keep the lid at a 90 degree angle like I am? or should I close it up again?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24804650 - 11/24/17 11:38 PM (17 days, 8 hours ago)

I know that pain. It is torture waiting on your 1st fruits. Leave it like that when your home to monitor them. When gone make sure it is on right. I only say to leave it like that when home to help dry the cakes out some.


Cakes are a lot harder to dry out completely them most people think. If it was rolled in verm, like you did, that REALLY helps protect the cakes.

The 3 most common issues I see are.

1. cake was not rolled in verm.
2. cake is dry due to almost NO misting, not enough perlite
3. over saturation from heavy misting, which isn't to bad once pin set is in.

I have learned I can mist heavier when they are fruiting, and mist much lighter when trying to get the pins in.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24806491 - 11/25/17 11:08 PM (16 days, 9 hours ago)

Okay I will continue with that advice, and I appreciate it. My first grow ever was the same strain done in my closet and I would take the tote out several times a day and fan and I eventually got a lot out of thoses cakes i remember. This is a bigger area than that closet too like wth. I didn't think it would take 3 weeks or more just to get pins, which just to confirm to everyone I still do not have any pins. There is a weird, small, squigally growth on the side of one cake but it bruises if touched too hard like it' jusst like mycelium but it juzt looks odd


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24808553 - 11/26/17 10:59 PM (15 days, 9 hours ago)

Letting the surfaces of the cakes get dry to the touch before misting them. Misting above letting water fall onto the cakes. Still no luck yet. I don't know if I will have much hope for them in another week and a half or so....which disapoints me so much because I spent so much time and effort and still got nothing at all, not from any cake whatsoever.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24810108 - 11/27/17 06:41 PM (14 days, 13 hours ago)

Would it be possible to crumble these cakes and start a monotub with vermiculite? Or is that just not possible?


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24817964 - 11/30/17 11:53 PM (11 days, 8 hours ago)

lol well the evaporation is happening for sure and it is pretty good timing. What I mean by that is, after about a complete 24 hours after misting, the cakes have dried and still have a slight moist feel to the outsides. slightly yellowing spots at the top and side of the one cake. Still everything smells like fresh mushrooms. whats going on, it's been like almost 3 weeks or more for the 2 cakes, and like a little after 2 on the other one.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24818424 - 12/01/17 09:41 AM (10 days, 22 hours ago)

those cakes have consumed a bit of the nutrients in the cakes and the mycelium has lost its colonizing vigour, but the mycelium will of course switch to vegetative growth once again if you crumble it and mix with coir. just don't expect any performance on the part of the mycelium. but theoretically yes the crumbled mycelium would colonise the bulk substrate if you mix them. but hoping to get a good flush out of that bulk substrate is non existent. at best you can hope for a few tiny fruits. at this point you are really stretching the patience of the mushroom gods... :smile: but hey go for it you got nothing to lose. GL


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: Mateah]
    #24820078 - 12/01/17 10:47 PM (10 days, 9 hours ago)

Ugh I'm near giving up on this one guys. Maybe there wasn't enough FAE and the lighting was introduced way too late. Bunk syringe is also possible but probably unlikely. They keep getting dry really quickly idk if it's worth a 2nd  dunk or not. I'm most likely going to just crumble them in a bag and put them in a patch i have outside by my deck. If stuff happens cool if not oh well better luck next time.


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Re: I really need some advice [Re: MisterKush]
    #24820113 - 12/01/17 11:04 PM (10 days, 9 hours ago)

I had similar problems. Wound up putting the cakes in an upside down quart jar to fruit. I didn’t build the sgfc to spec and I remember the perlite drying out ina week despite it supposedly having enough moisture to last a long time. Think I ended up with like 3 oz from 15 cakes or something.


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