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Kalimano
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Paul stamets on Joe Rogan 1
#24773910 - 11/10/17 02:24 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Been watching this guy talk about mushrooms since I was in high school, but when he says his life in danger and cant talk about why Portobella mushrooms are bad I just had to ask if anyone know whats hes talking about
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The talk about this starts around 1hr 44min, but the part where he wont answer a question starts at exactly 1hr 45min
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wannabmckenna
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Re: Paul stamets on Joe Rogan [Re: Kalimano]
#24774060 - 11/10/17 03:51 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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i duuno if this is relevant but i think he had best friend that was assassinated for trying to copyright or patent a mushroom or something similar to that this was years ago not sure exactly when!
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drake89
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Lol wut
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Sumimasen
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Re: Paul stamets on Joe Rogan [Re: Kalimano]
#24775411 - 11/11/17 08:49 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hydrazines are used in the production of rocket fuel. That's why he called it an "explosive area of conversation".
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WeakHyperCharge
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Re: Paul stamets on Joe Rogan [Re: Sumimasen]
#24775775 - 11/11/17 11:52 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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I saw this it was.. curious.
Thing is "hydrazine",as in what's used in rocket fuel, is super easy for a chemist to make. Same way we don't extract ammonia from pee no one in their right mind would try and convert the hydrazines in mushrooms to the Hydrazine used in rocketry. It's also a class of hydrazine and not actual simple hydrazine molecule used in rocketry.
But someone did mentioned on reddit that it contains Suritozole. Which some people seem to think is a limitless style drug which improves intelligence and protects against MKUltra style mind control. Crazy shit. The drug also for no apparent reason had all funding removed back in the day. Most of the research was on it's effects on GABA which are like an inverse of benzodiazepines (NOT an antagonist like flumazenil but an inverse agonist).
Which is curious but doesn't tie in with "explosive".
Maybe it's just the carcinogenic side of the portobello and he didn't want to have the industry on his back? This is what I personally thought he was talking about. Because it's most toxic when undercooked. So it follows naturally. Also, it is two hydrazines in the mushroom which seem to be carcinogenic so it fits like a crypto crossword hint.
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GlasShrooms
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God that whole comments section is a shit show. Lmao at discussion of literal explosives from mushrooms. Here's the only comment chain that sounds plausible: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7bjzry/mycologist_paul_stamets_just_refused_to_answer_a/dpj34kg/
tl;dr the hydrazine compound (agaritine) in porotbellos that is destroyed by heat that he talks about is a carcinogen. Presumably widespread knowledge of this would be damaging to the portobello industry, who I guess employs contract killers to keep their secrets... Perhaps he knows that the risks are worse than previously thought or something like that. Paul can be kind of dramatic sometimes.
Here's the link to the source in the comment in case anyone would prefer to avoid reddit: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/2132000/
Or just the wikipedia article on agaritine for an overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agaritine
The suritozole stuff is interesting too but it sounds like he was talking about something negative, not positive.
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WeakHyperCharge
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Re: Paul stamets on Joe Rogan [Re: GlasShrooms]
#24775882 - 11/11/17 12:46 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Definitely would put my hat in with the carcinogenic aspect as it fits in well with the discussion before he didn't answer. Perhaps personally he completely avoids them.
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GlasShrooms said:
The suritozole stuff is interesting too but it sounds like he was talking about something negative, not positive.
Yeah re-watching he seems to suggest something is bad about them and so he needs to keep quite. Not they are bad because the Illuminati are making him stay quite on the subject.
Near the bottom of the reddit thread is people linking this to using sodium bicarbonate to treat cancer. And how the practitioners of this quackery are "persecuted by the establishment". Some how Stamets refusing to answer a question about portobello mushrooms is now being used to support using baking soda instead of mainstream medicine to treat cancer...
Later in the thread someone asks if this coverup is why so many alternative medicine practitioners have died. Maybe if they could tell the difference between a cake recipe and chemotherapy they wouldn't have died.
Edited by WeakHyperCharge (11/11/17 01:04 PM)
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wannabmckenna
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its the the illuminati
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AndyHinton


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Whatever the specific allegations, many of the most terrifying diseases seem to stem from people destroying the natural environment. The mechanics of DNA replication are self-selected to perform best within a range of acceptable parameters. Commercial agaricus mushrooms are products of the industrial revolutions just like smog and acid rain are.
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wannabmckenna
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Re: Paul stamets on Joe Rogan [Re: AndyHinton]
#24776896 - 11/11/17 10:40 PM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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so do all agaricus contain carcinogens?
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OttoLoaded
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Stamets plainly offered his unfettered opinion of Buttons and Portabellas claiming both are highly carcinogenic - "analogous to smoking a cigarette, except that the agaritines cause tumors all over you body as opposed to just in your lungs..."
found at the 6:30 mark of this video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-QlPb3J74
Edited by OttoLoaded (11/12/17 02:32 PM)
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ShroomyToons
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Re: Paul stamets on Joe Rogan [Re: OttoLoaded]
#24779130 - 11/13/17 04:45 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
OttoLoaded said: Stamets plainly offered his unfettered opinion of Buttons and Portabellas claiming both are highly carcinogenic - "analogous to smoking a cigarette, except that the agaritines cause tumors all over you body as opposed to just in your lungs..."
found at the 6:30 mark of this video..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-QlPb3J74
Is there any study at all that shows a carcinogenic component of buttons and bellos?
I'm on limited bandwidth so I can't download many videos at all, but I am wondering if he is possibly talking about CRSPR'd buttons? They've genetically edited them against browning, but I don't know of any genetic editing of portobellos.
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Quadman
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There are conflicting studies. Some say agaritines are carcinogenic and some say not. Either way heat destroys the agaritines.....so don't eat raw buttons,crimini or portabella.
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ShroomyToons
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Re: Paul stamets on Joe Rogan [Re: Quadman]
#24779321 - 11/13/17 07:27 AM (6 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks! I knew that to get the available vitamin D that they needed to be cooked. At least that is what I have read. I can't say I empirically 'know' that myself.
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TravelAgency
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Yeah I'm not totally sure what he was referring to with Agaricus I've never read anything of that sort. Part of me thinks he's just trying to mess with the huge agaricus farms. Either way the discussion was amazing, Paul shared a few stories I hadn't heard from him before and I truly enjoyed it.
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ShroomyToons
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Listening to it now. Very interesting. Thanks for making us aware of this interview!
Editing to say that if you haven't listened to this, you absolutely need to! Incredible interview. Even if you don't agree with everything Stamets says or is about, this is a must listen.
Edited by ShroomyToons (11/15/17 11:19 AM)
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tryptanethylamide
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I don't know where you got the idea that suritozole was from portobello mushrooms, but I'd like to see a source for this information. As far as I can tell suritozole is a synthetically produced drug.
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Plethora Fungi


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My guess on this topic is that Paul might have been threatened by Portobello growers for his previous comments in his book. Maybe they thought it might ruin their market. Maybe it should.. who really knows though
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