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MisterKush
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Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up.
#24764855 - 11/06/17 07:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well this is my 2nd grow ever. My first grow was very successful and tasty I kept the same strain as this time as I had last time, Golden Teachers. I have setup a SGFC that's only 16 quarts. I drilled holes on just the sides, as well as the bottom,. 12 each. I have the tank lifted up off of the ground a couple inches and a towel underneath. Well this grow I inoc. 6 jars, and out of those 6 1 got contaminated so i trashed it. The first couple got a bit more spores that say the last 2 jars because the syringe kept getting stuck when i went to push it, then when it would release and all these spores would go flying in lol. All jars are 100% colonized right now. I wanted to do some experimenting on pinning this grow so I am keeping 2 cakes inside their jars until i see pins. The first 2 that fully colonized though, I have already birthed. The first cake was placed into a 2 liter bottle at first because I thought I would do that instead of the SGFC due to discretion.
Well that first cake spent about 4 days in the 2 liters and i got impatient and decided to build a SGFC instead, like from the first grow. The second cake i let stand fully colonized in the jar for about 3 days and birthed it straight into the SGFC and it's going on day 3 in the SGFC.
Now here is my main worry. I accidently messed up the 2nd cake that was birthed(cake on the right)that is why you can see that little chunk taken out of it because i went to catch my containter and thankfully i did, but it sliced off a piece of my cake!! I was so mad at myself i couldn't believe it. Will this cake still fruit? why has there been no fruiting on either one yet?? I've been misting, fanning multiple times a day and its getting at least 12 hours of light from and led push on and off light that sticks to the side of the wall (not in or on the container) the first cake i birthed has been in there now for 5-6 days(cake on the left) it has been looking yellowish whitish but with some bruising and i want to think that whatever is on top of it there in the picture is just bruising as well. It hasn't been treated the best either, its been knocked over into the perlite a bunch of times just by me having to lift the SGFC every time i goto mist/fan. so there are some small beads of perlite on the cakes too, i try getting off as much as i can, are these cakes ruined? I really hope they can still be saved they aren't even old yet!
Someone please provide me an answer to some if not all of these questions I'll be posting the pictures below.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush] 1
#24764859 - 11/06/17 07:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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they look fine, but you didnt roll in verm, and now they are drying out. give them water.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Munchauzen]
#24764877 - 11/06/17 07:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're right I skipped the verm roll only because these were ordered jars so i never had to buy verm. If I need it I will get it but i knew enought that they would still fruit without some. I know about misting and how people say not to directly spray the cakes, but should i do that in this case since you think they're too dry? Or should I just mist heavily right over the cakes?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24764905 - 11/06/17 07:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Could I possibly get a little more input on this please?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24764952 - 11/06/17 08:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Without verm you could probably benefit with a bottom watering such as this
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Explicitdetail]
#24765002 - 11/06/17 08:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think I'll give it a shot, if they actually ever pin. I'm just hoping I haven't messed up those 2 cakes permanently
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24765295 - 11/06/17 11:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will the damaged cake still produce? Will it get contaminated?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24765302 - 11/07/17 12:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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MisterKush said: Will the damaged cake still produce? Will it get contaminated?
It should be fine, if it goes green toss it.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Ziran]
#24765511 - 11/07/17 05:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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On the cake on the right in the photo, where the chunk that's taken out of the cake at the top there, it seems to have turned almost a blueish/greenish color within a few hours to a day. I'd have to say it looks just a shade more blue than it does green while it just mixed in with the verm. I really do believe it is bruising. I just want to be safe and know for sure obviously.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24765528 - 11/07/17 05:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If your cake was in fruiting, and is than damaged a lot of the time it will blue, just take care of it and it'll repair itself, you should be able to tell if it's trich, its got a certain look that's kind of like lumpy
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Hopeless_Hound]
#24765531 - 11/07/17 05:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah I believe it is. But these cakes have never fruited not even once yet. I haven't gotten any signs of pins at all yet.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24765676 - 11/07/17 07:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's gotta be at least a whole week since i birthed that first cake(on left)now and still no signs of any pinning. ugh what' going on wrong?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush] 1
#24765771 - 11/07/17 08:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not enough patience
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Explicitdetail]
#24765776 - 11/07/17 08:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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alright, I'll just have to wait a bit longer. I was really counting on having a couple grams dry by not this weekend but the next.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24765793 - 11/07/17 08:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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MisterKush said: I know about misting and how people say not to directly spray the cakes
So then you don't know about misting? Because the cakes should absolutely be directly sprayed. Why would you not spray them?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Inocuole]
#24765801 - 11/07/17 08:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh seriously? I always read around different sites that say not to directly mist the cakes for some reason.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush] 1
#24765927 - 11/07/17 09:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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not misting the cakes directly is ancient* tek
*not in a good way
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: nubgrower]
#24765935 - 11/07/17 09:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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nubgrower said: not misting the cakes directly is ancient* tek
*not in a good way
Okay well good, because I've just recently started misting them directly now then trying to fan them right before I I put the lid back on.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24765952 - 11/07/17 09:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think from your OP, they're in a SGFC? if so no fanning is required either.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: nubgrower] 1
#24766157 - 11/07/17 10:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My cakes took over a week to pin, so just have some patience and keep misting them.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: nubgrower]
#24766209 - 11/07/17 11:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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nubgrower said: I think from your OP, they're in a SGFC? if so no fanning is required either.
Yes and you are correct, but if you read how I built it I only put 12 holes on each long side of the container, as well as on the bottom. So I'm not completely convinced that it is getting optimum FAE, which I know is a huge pinning trigger when it causes evaporation.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24766329 - 11/07/17 12:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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gotcha.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: nubgrower]
#24766517 - 11/07/17 01:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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build a proper fruiting chamber.
Will be well worth it.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: tombosley8]
#24767800 - 11/07/17 09:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tombosley8 said: build a proper fruiting chamber.
Will be well worth it.
I would like to as soon as I get proper resources, it's a bit of a struggle for me to get around places. I might just have to order something online again. You don't think that this grow is failed now do you? Will these cakes still produce fruit? why are there those little dark bluish/blackish dots on top of the cake on the left? I hope its not some type of mold and it's just bruising. It won't just wipe off with a paper towel, and it smells like a mushroom too.
Please tell me I will get some fruits out of this
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24768836 - 11/08/17 10:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah and I think last time I did this my cakes took about 10 days, but they were healthy cakes these ones have damages and I'm not exactly sure still what those little blackish bluish dots are on top of the cake on the left. It's making me feel like they're both going to fail.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24768863 - 11/08/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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the blue/black spots are bruising from either drying out, primordia/invitro fruits, or bacteria.
Though they don't look very bacterial so could get a few flushes out of them.
The lack of being rolled in verm is going to make it hard to keep perfect surface conditions on your cakes.
You want to have as much evaporation from FAE as possible without drying the cake up and replenishing with water(light mist) a few times a day.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: tombosley8]
#24768909 - 11/08/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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tombosley8 said: the blue/black spots are bruising from either drying out, primordia/invitro fruits, or bacteria.
Though they don't look very bacterial so could get a few flushes out of them.
The lack of being rolled in verm is going to make it hard to keep perfect surface conditions on your cakes.
You want to have as much evaporation from FAE as possible without drying the cake up and replenishing with water(light mist) a few times a day.
hopefully you're right, unfortunately the pic doesnt show as bad as it really looks nothing smells off or anything everything still smells like shrooms, but something about it just looks unhealthy
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24770267 - 11/08/17 08:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The first cake on top is like yellowing and getting more bruised looking with like bruised dots all on top that very well could be primordia. I've been keeping it moist with misting lately and it never really dries out, but why is this coloring happening? If it doesn't pin after like 10 days should I try dunking again? Then actually rolling?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24770885 - 11/09/17 06:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just birthed the 3rd cake today that has been fully colonized now for about 5-7 days. Still nothing from the 1st cake that's been in there now for about 10 days or more. Not much more if so. 2nd cake has only been in there for about 4-5 days now. I just really hope that the first cake isn't ruined it just looks hurt, the top is still all bluish blackish bumps with a yellowish tint around the top edge of the cake. I really hope that's not bacteria or something detrimental not only to that cake but to my other cakes that will be in there. I am going to be rolling this 3rd cake in verm and setting it in the lid of the jar itself, filled with verm(Which I guess you would call that casing?) as well as rolling them in verm like i said. I really hope these guys fruit soon. Even just a little bit a few pins would be so nice to see. Anyone have any input for me???
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24770895 - 11/09/17 06:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't bump your thread every 10 hours, you will get answers to all your questions eventually! 
Cakes can go 2 weeks without fruiting, in that case you can try dunking them again cause they have dried out a bit by then, but don't dunk them more than 6h it's not necessary. GL
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Mateja]
#24770899 - 11/09/17 06:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mateah said: Don't bump your thread every 10 hours, you will get answers to all your questions eventually! 
Cakes can go 2 weeks without fruiting, in that case you can try dunking them again cause they have dried out a bit by then, but don't dunk them more than 6h it's not necessary. GL
I know I know I'm just very eager for answers right now and my post was like 3 pages in, and it isn't that great or interesting of a post. So redunk after 2 weeks of no fruiting?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24770905 - 11/09/17 06:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If nothing happens after 2-2.5 weeks in fruiting then dunk them again real fast and put them back in the FC. Also roll them in verm this time and don't mist them right away cause that will cause the verm layer to fall off quicker, roll them, place them inside and after 5h mist them gently and the verm will stay in place. GL
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Mateja]
#24770914 - 11/09/17 07:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mateah said: If nothing happens after 2-2.5 weeks in fruiting then dunk them again real fast and put them back in the FC. Also roll them in verm this time and don't mist them right away cause that will cause the verm layer to fall off quicker, roll them, place them inside and after 5h mist them gently and the verm will stay in place. GL
Roger that. Thank you very much I will head your advice here.
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24775863 - 11/11/17 12:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here is a look at my sgfc after some editing. I had to add way more holes than there were and I rolled the last 3 cakes in verm. Any tips here? Does it look sufficient enough to work so I can get some safe fruit?
Edited by MisterKush (11/11/17 12:35 PM)
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24775883 - 11/11/17 12:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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When there is verm on cake, then do not mist directly on it so you do not wash it off. If there is no verm on cake, you do not have to worry about it 
Could you upload more clear pics of the first two cakes you birthed mate
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: prcula011]
#24775899 - 11/11/17 12:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see, thank you its been a while since I've done all this I forget all the little details that do matter. Does everything else look okay though so far?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24775910 - 11/11/17 12:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had this in the contam thread but nobody could really give me a definitive answer on weather this cake here, the only one i didnt roll, is it contam'd?

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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24776190 - 11/11/17 03:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is the FC lifted up 4-5 inches off the ground?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Mateja]
#24776199 - 11/11/17 03:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is about 3 inches up off the ground
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: MisterKush]
#24794817 - 11/20/17 01:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Howd those cakes turn out?
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: nubgrower]
#24796579 - 11/20/17 08:02 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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nubgrower said: Howd those cakes turn out?
Still struggling :/ https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24778839
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Re: Only 2nd Grow hopefully its not messed up. [Re: Yonatin]
#24872680 - 12/28/17 01:35 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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What happened?
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