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Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting
    #24761698 - 11/05/17 01:42 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

According to this, currently 20 dead and 30 injured.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/texas-church-scene-shooting-report-192705171--abc-news-topstories.html

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At least 20 people were killed and 30 injured in a Texas church shooting Sunday morning, law enforcement sources told ABC News.

The alleged shooter is dead, and it appears there is no longer an active threat at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, about 40 miles southeast of San Antonio, police told ABC News.


A witness reported seeing a man walk into the church around 11:30 a.m. and begin shooting.

The FBI and ATF are heading to the scene, and at least six people from the church were taken to Connally Memorial Center in nearby Floresville for treatment.

By Sunday afternoon, police had formed a perimeter around the white clapboard church and flooded its grounds with emergency and police vehicles, according to KSAT.

    Area of the church is now blocked off and taped off. Family and friends still waiting to hear if their loved ones are safe. pic.twitter.com/YsKz78i3Lg
    — Max Massey (@MaxMasseyTV) November 5, 2017

A small group of people were seen clustered together outside the church, an unassuming building with a red door. They were holding hands as tears overtook an attempt to pray, a KSAT reporter said.

    Families in tears wait to see if their family and friends are safe. Praying for the safety of all those involved. pic.twitter.com/yjzK7lZJ1S
    — Max Massey (@MaxMasseyTV) November 5, 2017

Trump tweeted on the shooting from Japan where he is visiting on his Asia tour.

    May God be w/ the people of Sutherland Springs, Texas. The FBI & law enforcement are on the scene. I am monitoring the situation from Japan.
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 5, 2017

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said in a statement, "The thoughts and prayers of all Texans are with the people of Sutherland Springs as tragic reports come out of First Baptist Church."

"Please join Angela and me as we pray for those impacted by this horrific shooting,” Paxton said.




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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #24761752 - 11/05/17 02:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Does this happen every day now?


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: sunshine]
    #24761820 - 11/05/17 02:40 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Wasn't the last major shooting the Las Vegas one? I know there was the truck attack, was there any other attacks I was missing?


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
    #24761845 - 11/05/17 02:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Nope Walmart in Colorado


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: JonBongGroovy] * 3
    #24761848 - 11/05/17 02:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Gun down a school or blow up a car.
The media circus will make you a star.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
    #24761849 - 11/05/17 02:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Man there are some fucked up people in the world.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
    #24761851 - 11/05/17 02:50 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

27 dead now


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #24761865 - 11/05/17 02:53 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

So right around 7-8days on average now? Wow.


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I don’t want to get back up but I have to so it might as well be today.
Nothing appeals to me no one feels like me, I’m too busy being calm to disappear.
I’m in no shape to be alone contrary to the shit that you might hear.


You can't wake up, this is not a dream. You're part of a machine, you are not a human being
With your face all made up, living on a screen. Low on self esteem, so you run on gasoline

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: JonBongGroovy]
    #24761871 - 11/05/17 02:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

#yolo

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #24761890 - 11/05/17 03:05 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

You can't cage a bunch of wild animals and stick a bunch of ideas, false hopes and leave them with broken dreams without having one go postal once in awhile.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Morgenstern]
    #24761916 - 11/05/17 03:15 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Terrorist? Hate crime?


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
    #24761955 - 11/05/17 03:33 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Texas dollars to donuts right wing racist nut job

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #24761982 - 11/05/17 03:41 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know race is a factor, but I meant "hate crime" in the sense of that its a place of worship having been shot up, it could be antireligious violence.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
    #24762010 - 11/05/17 03:52 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

maybe be really loved some diff type religion type of love u no u kill for n die or summin dumb :shrug:

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #24762018 - 11/05/17 03:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe it was a westboro baptist in the making and the sanest member put them out of his misery.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
    #24762085 - 11/05/17 04:35 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: vinsue] * 7
    #24762115 - 11/05/17 04:51 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

He should have been flagged based on that picture alone


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24762121 - 11/05/17 04:54 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Very fucked up! I agree, that photo is very disconcerting


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods] * 2
    #24762127 - 11/05/17 04:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
He should have been flagged based on that picture alone



that mentality is prob one the biggest parts of this.

Edited by CHeifM4sterDiezL (11/05/17 04:57 PM)

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: vinsue]
    #24762220 - 11/05/17 05:39 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

He looks half his age.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante] * 2
    #24762290 - 11/05/17 06:06 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

the beta uprising has begun

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 3
    #24762305 - 11/05/17 06:11 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
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koods said:
He should have been flagged based on that picture alone



that mentality is prob one the biggest parts of this.




Ugly people are too sensitive


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24762311 - 11/05/17 06:15 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Something is fucked up


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Citizen X]
    #24762315 - 11/05/17 06:17 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Something is fucked up




Seriously bad picture


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Citizen X] * 6
    #24762318 - 11/05/17 06:18 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods] * 1
    #24762323 - 11/05/17 06:19 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

something tells me this was revenge not terrorism. Someone put it in his pooper


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods] * 2
    #24762325 - 11/05/17 06:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

One thing is for sure. You can't blame guns for this shooting, cause guns don't hurt people. People hurt people**

** By using the most lethal gun they can find


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #24762330 - 11/05/17 06:24 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

it's cool we'll be able to print off scary guns soon enough anyway.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24762342 - 11/05/17 06:34 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I’m watching Fox News-brb with more details


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #24762347 - 11/05/17 06:38 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
One thing is for sure. You can't blame guns for this shooting, cause guns don't hurt people. People hurt people**

** By using the most lethal gun they can find



Arm the priests.....problem solved:elmo:


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: pineninja] * 2
    #24762360 - 11/05/17 06:45 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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pineninja said:
Quote:

Patlal said:
One thing is for sure. You can't blame guns for this shooting, cause guns don't hurt people. People hurt people**

** By using the most lethal gun they can find



Arm the priests.....problem solved:elmo:





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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #24762376 - 11/05/17 07:05 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

M surprised that this could happen in Texas of all places. I'd think the open carry people would've stopped it before it went too far. Guess many people wouldn't of thought to bring a gun to church thou

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Ogla] * 1
    #24762384 - 11/05/17 07:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Im Surprised your suprised.
Texas has ALOT of guns.

More guns means more shootings.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: pineninja]
    #24762412 - 11/05/17 07:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not surprised that its ex military, a lot of shootings that have occured have been by former military.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #24762414 - 11/05/17 07:26 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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pineninja said:
Im Surprised your suprised.
Texas has ALOT of guns.

More guns means more shootings.



how come there's not a lot of shootings at gun stores then


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: pineninja] * 2
    #24762416 - 11/05/17 07:27 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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pineninja said:
Im Surprised your suprised.
Texas has ALOT of guns.

More guns means more shootings.




uh no sweetie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24762420 - 11/05/17 07:28 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Theres more shootings in gun stores than florists.

More guns eqauls more shooting.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #24762423 - 11/05/17 07:30 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

pineninja said:
Im Surprised your suprised.
Texas has ALOT of guns.

More guns means more shootings.




uh no sweetie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate



Read your own links.:thumbsup:


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: pineninja]
    #24762426 - 11/05/17 07:32 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

are you really unable to interpret simple data sets?  :huxleyfacepalm:

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #24762431 - 11/05/17 07:35 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

:whathesaid:
all you have to do is sort the column on the far right. it's easy


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Mad_Larkin] * 1
    #24762433 - 11/05/17 07:35 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Are you really able to see countless studies from reputable sources ( wiki....lol) and have the stubborness to stick with your patently and anecdotally wrong opinion.

Guns don't make you safe.
People feeling sorry for you may.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip] * 2
    #24762436 - 11/05/17 07:38 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Thank god for guns so we can protect ourselves!

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: pineninja]
    #24762437 - 11/05/17 07:38 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

did you miss all the governmental/academic sources too?

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #24762442 - 11/05/17 07:39 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

that was like the one article on wiki with good sources :shrug:


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta] * 4
    #24762747 - 11/05/17 10:50 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Being as how blatantly obvious it was that the recent Las Vegas massacre was performed(by multiple shooters ov course) for the primary interest ov allowing gun control measures to take hold, i'm surprised that people are'nt questioning this shooting more instead ov denouncing guns.  Oh wait, this is the shroomery, the place where many self-pronounced freedom loving individuals come to expose themselves as hypocrites.

What kind ov fucked up age do we live in where in the face ov increased mass shootings, regardless ov the motives behind them, people want to give up their gun rights?  It just proves that people are beginning to put more faith in a manipulated system as opposed to individuality.  Are we that guilty ov mankind that the guilt extends to ourselves? 

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: lavod] * 3
    #24762757 - 11/05/17 10:54 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I live in a country that had some horrible mass shootings.
The government of the time tightened gun control laws quite severely.

No mass shootings since.
A massive drop in gun crime.

Look outside of the states for once.
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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #24762770 - 11/05/17 10:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Have you guys ever heard about what mass killings in China are like where it's a death sentence to own a gun? It's pretty much people running around with big knives gutting people. Are we going to ban knives too? What about cars? Also, what's going to stop a savy machinist from just making his own gun in his garage?


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: pineninja] * 2
    #24762790 - 11/05/17 11:13 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Im Surprised your suprised.
Texas has ALOT of guns.

More guns means more shootings.




Quiet the contrary. More guns means less shootings. No one wants to do anything dumb cause the other person might have a gun. People don't normally shoot for no good reason

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Ogla] * 4
    #24762831 - 11/06/17 12:16 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, it's such simple logic thinking that way. I think even if you take the guns away, mass killings like that will still occur because people will get guns if they want them bad enough, or they will use other objects that can kill. It's kind of like the suicide rate among transgender people. It doesn't matter how many laws you pass to promote acceptance and deter discrimination, the suicide rate will still be at around 40%, because there is an underlying problem that is being ignored.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: TempestDnB] * 1
    #24762838 - 11/06/17 12:21 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Ok you got me....
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    #24762864 - 11/06/17 12:44 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Has it been pointed out yet that a civilian armed with a long gun is the one that stopped the church shooter?

Shot the gunman on the scene causing him to drop his rifle then chased him down and kept a gun on him while he bled out on the side of the road.

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    #24762878 - 11/06/17 12:58 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Now that is badass. If that other guy didn't have a gun, more people would have died.
I'm telling you guys, all you need is a lathe and some steel.. you can make all kinds of guns. Are we going to ban tools and metal?


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: mycosis]
    #24762880 - 11/06/17 12:59 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

he was in the military
no way to prevent him from owning a gun
but 27 people...

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: pineninja] * 3
    #24762884 - 11/06/17 01:01 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I live in a country that had some horrible mass shootings.
The government of the time tightened gun control laws quite severely.

No mass shootings since.
A massive drop in gun crime.

Look outside of the states for once.
There are better ways.




your country's murder rate is barely lower than ours.  you guys got spooked, gave up your guns, and got no significant benefit.  your homicide rate was low already.  what is it at now? 1.4 per 100k or some such?  big deal.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #24762885 - 11/06/17 01:01 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The church gunman was not a legal gun owner. Court marshaled for domestic violence. Spent 12 months in the brig.

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    #24762900 - 11/06/17 01:18 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

As we know military court is different than civilian, due to this, the shooter was able to purchase guns since he was not a felon.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: tdubz] * 3
    #24762908 - 11/06/17 01:22 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, but we also know that The Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 also places a lifetime ban on possessing a firearm and/or ammunition for those persons who:

have been discharged from the Armed Forced under dishonorable conditions.

So again, he was not a legal gun owner. :cookiemonster:

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    #24762913 - 11/06/17 01:25 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

at least that was the idea here in Texas with open carry, that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

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at least that was the idea here in Texas with open carry, that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.




Never works out does it? The bad guy killed 26 people before the good guy killed him.


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    #24762954 - 11/06/17 02:14 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Ill always own guns

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    #24762970 - 11/06/17 02:52 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
Quote:

losfreddy said:
at least that was the idea here in Texas with open carry, that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.




Never works out does it? The bad guy killed 26 people before the good guy killed him.




guess its unfortunate that noone had a gun till the police arrived :sad:

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    #24762975 - 11/06/17 02:56 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you guys ever heard about what mass killings in China are like where it's a death sentence to own a gun? It's pretty much people running around with big knives gutting people. Are we going to ban knives too? What about cars? Also, what's going to stop a savy machinist from just making his own gun in his garage?



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    #24763035 - 11/06/17 05:04 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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something tells me this was revenge not terrorism. Someone put it in his pooper





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at least that was the idea here in Texas with open carry, that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.




Never works out does it? The bad guy killed 26 people before the good guy killed him.



Only you could say that. Literally only you could look at the facts, which are the only thing that STOPPED the shooting was legal gun owner and say "Too bad having a gun didn't do anything in this case". :facepalm:


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    #24763052 - 11/06/17 05:31 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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koods said:
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losfreddy said:
at least that was the idea here in Texas with open carry, that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.




Never works out does it? The bad guy killed 26 people before the good guy killed him.



Only you could say that. Literally only you could look at the facts, which are the only thing that STOPPED the shooting was legal gun owner and say "Too bad having a gun didn't do anything in this case". :facepalm:



Want to predict the next USA mass shooting ?  Im saying USA because it doesnt really happen anywhere else...

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Kinko]
    #24763057 - 11/06/17 05:36 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Want to predict the next high point of the cost of gasoline? I say gasoline because it has as much to do with you said as what you said has to do with what you quoted.


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    #24763061 - 11/06/17 05:38 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Want to predict the next high point of the cost of gasoline? I say gasoline because it has as much to do with you said as what you said has to do with what you quoted.



I predict the next mass shooting will be within 2 weeks.  I still support gun rights .. why cant you all be like me ?

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    #24763063 - 11/06/17 05:42 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

"Cops are shooting a black person a day! ..no societal outrage? Ok lets dial spree killings up a notch."


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    #24763159 - 11/06/17 07:04 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Either god doesnt care about the tragedies going on, he doesnt have the power to do anything about it or he doesnt exist.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: ferrel_human]
    #24763172 - 11/06/17 07:13 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Or what if the current events are the best option, or perhaps the “rules” are more “rules” than we like to think and changing something just creates a burden for another?

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    #24763267 - 11/06/17 08:12 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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pineninja said:
I live in a country that had some horrible mass shootings.
The government of the time tightened gun control laws quite severely.

No mass shootings since.
A massive drop in gun crime.

Look outside of the states for once.
There are better ways.




your country's murder rate is barely lower than ours.  you guys got spooked, gave up your guns, and got no significant benefit.  your homicide rate was low already.  what is it at now? 1.4 per 100k or some such?  big deal.



Yeah these types of murders tend to be a drop in the bucket next to regular murders (let alone traffic "accidents" or whatever), doesn't make a lot of sense to frame big policy decisions around them. As with terrorism, the hype when it does happen is totally disproportionate to the risk.

That could change though I guess. A terrorist attack in which, say, 100-1000 well-armed shooters are spread out all over a major city could result in a huge death toll. My hunch is that people willing to die for the cause are in shorter supply than has been suggested though.

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    #24763282 - 11/06/17 08:21 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
something tells me this was revenge not terrorism. Someone put it in his pooper





I had the same thought but didn't want to say it. He has that molested altar boy look.



i thought it was more this dewd got picked on alot then went into the military prob got picked on there too then went home n beat his wife n got discharged type look but i guess whatever maybe he got diddled too who knows :shrug:

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: ferrel_human] * 2
    #24763288 - 11/06/17 08:23 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Either god doesnt care about the tragedies going on, he doesnt have the power to do anything about it or he doesnt exist.

Which do,you choose?





We are in the school of hard knocks. God deeply cares about the tragedies unfolding, if anything, through us, but we're supposed to learn here and this is how we learn. Either we create a paradise or we dig our own grave and let the next species take over.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante] * 1
    #24763330 - 11/06/17 08:45 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE GUNS AND MASS SHOOTINGS, HOW WOULD YOU OTHER-WORLDIES GET YOUR ENTERTAINMENT?  CAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE "NEWS" IS.  GLAD WE HAVE THESE MASS SACRIFICES SO YOU GUYS CAN STROKE YOUR MASSIVE COCKS TOGETHER AND HAVE SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT FOR THE NEXT FEW DAYS.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Morgenstern] * 3
    #24763353 - 11/06/17 08:53 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Most of us are not entertained by what goes on in the USA, but saddened.

We're basically watching a historically benevolent and well liked superpower rip itself apart on all levels. :sad:


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Morgenstern] * 2
    #24763374 - 11/06/17 08:58 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Free will dictates that for one to have the free will to murder, another has to be murdered against their will.

The structure of society and I dare say our own thought processes are to blame.  The animal dna in you see’s others as.. others.  On the individual level as well as international level, religious level, political level, legal shit level.

Until people retrain their thoughts, further separation will occur and more sick shit will happen, because it’s a sickness.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Morgenstern]
    #24763408 - 11/06/17 09:08 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

It’s like this... on an animal level, eyes pointing forward is a real good physical trait, for predators.  Binocular vision etc.  But there seem to be a downfall when that animal has a really complex brain and lives in a massively over blown social population.  It’s like this tunnel vision sort of thing.  All that aim in those eyes, all those factors in that society, and so much brain it’s hard to keep track of (and considering the subconscious, it’s impossible to keep track of).

Add those up and you have a receipe for disaster.  It’s almost like you have a really good predator that’s half blacked out.  Shit’s going to happen.  Look at people’s bodies....consider the range of physical health comparable to mental health.....  see what I’m saying?

Also consider that some people are just ‘bad’.  Not a whole lot of serial killers use guns.  Look at their minds..

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    #24763410 - 11/06/17 09:09 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I bet these types of mysterious mass shooting/suicides in the US are going to get a lot more common in the upcoming years.

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    #24763427 - 11/06/17 09:16 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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at least that was the idea here in Texas with open carry, that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.




Never works out does it? The bad guy killed 26 people before the good guy killed him.



Only you could say that. Literally only you could look at the facts, which are the only thing that STOPPED the shooting was legal gun owner and say "Too bad having a gun didn't do anything in this case". :facepalm:



Having a gun did matter. The killer had a gun and killed 26 people. Your good guy with a gun theory was useless to those people. It's always useless yet you people cling to it like a religion.


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    #24763436 - 11/06/17 09:21 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
something tells me this was revenge not terrorism. Someone put it in his pooper





I had the same thought but didn't want to say it. He has that molested altar boy look.




oh yeah, that look. i hear its in this season.

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    #24763440 - 11/06/17 09:22 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

He had body armor and just murdered 26 people (attempted to kill a lot more than that) you really think he was just gonna give up and stop? I have never once said it would prevent shootings. I think it's kind of idiotic to think it will, these people already know there's a good chance they'll die and they do it anyways, so more armed people isn't really going to prevent much of anything. The point is having the ability to stop them and prevent further killings when they start shooting.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods] * 3
    #24763443 - 11/06/17 09:25 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

What shootings are stopped without a gun?
Only police should be armed?

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    #24763447 - 11/06/17 09:28 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Having a gun did matter. The killer had a gun and killed 26 people. Your good guy with a gun theory was useless to those people. It's always useless yet you people cling to it like a religion.




you're right about this time.  The only thing that stopped the bad guy was the fact that he had already finished spraying down the inside of the church.  The good guy with a gun did help keep the bad guy from getting away though. 
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    #24763450 - 11/06/17 09:29 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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at least that was the idea here in Texas with open carry, that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.




Never works out does it? The bad guy killed 26 people before the good guy killed him.



Only you could say that. Literally only you could look at the facts, which are the only thing that STOPPED the shooting was legal gun owner and say "Too bad having a gun didn't do anything in this case". :facepalm:



Having a gun did matter. The killer had a gun and killed 26 people. Your good guy with a gun theory was useless to those people. It's always useless yet you people cling to it like a religion.



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    #24763456 - 11/06/17 09:32 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Never works out does it? The bad guy killed 26 people before the good guy killed him.



Only you could say that. Literally only you could look at the facts, which are the only thing that STOPPED the shooting was legal gun owner and say "Too bad having a gun didn't do anything in this case". :facepalm:



Having a gun did matter. The killer had a gun and killed 26 people. Your good guy with a gun theory was useless to those people. It's always useless yet you people cling to it like a religion.



It wasn’t useless to #27 koods. 




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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Amanita86]
    #24763463 - 11/06/17 09:38 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Ive actually been secretly in favor of strict gun control anyway. Jt will make the black market better. All the guns ive owned were black market, bought off of some really shady people, probably stolen from some old white dudes car's glove box.

The re-industrial revolution is coming. At home manufacturing is going to be a thing soon. There will be people really into that kind of stuff operating underground gunsmithing businesses.

Gun regulations are going to be the best shot in the foot the government ever did.

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    #24763466 - 11/06/17 09:39 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24763492 - 11/06/17 09:50 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Ive actually been secretly in favor of strict gun control anyway. Jt will make the black market better. All the guns ive owned were black market, bought off of some really shady people, probably stolen from some old white dudes car's glove box.

The re-industrial revolution is coming. At home manufacturing is going to be a thing soon. There will be people really into that kind of stuff operating underground gunsmithing businesses.

Gun regulations are going to be the best shot in the foot the government ever did.

Hello fully automatic ghost guns!



It really can't get any easier then it is now.  My old boss had 30+ automatic weapons basically all sourced illegally. 

Not sure how people building their own and selling them would be worse on any level. 

We live in a place were cold medicine purchases are more scrutinized then gun purchases...


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: ReposadoXochipilli]
    #24763501 - 11/06/17 09:56 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
Ive actually been secretly in favor of strict gun control anyway. Jt will make the black market better. All the guns ive owned were black market, bought off of some really shady people, probably stolen from some old white dudes car's glove box.

The re-industrial revolution is coming. At home manufacturing is going to be a thing soon. There will be people really into that kind of stuff operating underground gunsmithing businesses.

Gun regulations are going to be the best shot in the foot the government ever did.

Hello fully automatic ghost guns!



It really can't get any easier then it is now.  My old boss had 30+ automatic weapons basically all sourced illegally. 

Not sure how people building their own and selling them would be worse on any level. 

We live in a place were cold medicine purchases are more scrutinized then gun purchases...




guns are expensive.
the machines necessary to make infinite numbers of your own aren't that much more than one high-quality rifle.
buy a decent 3-d printer and one of those purpose built CNCs for making AR receivers and you could probably crank out 30/day


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    #24763504 - 11/06/17 09:57 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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    #24763510 - 11/06/17 09:59 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

like I said, guns are expensive.  I don't even have one for myself.


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    #24763523 - 11/06/17 10:05 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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like I said, guns are expensive.  I don't even have one for myself.



We can buy him a used Hi-Point. :canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
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like I said, guns are expensive.  I don't even have one for myself.



We can buy him a used Hi-Point. :canthelpbutlaugh:




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    #24763536 - 11/06/17 10:13 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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bodhisatta said:
Ive actually been secretly in favor of strict gun control anyway. Jt will make the black market better. All the guns ive owned were black market, bought off of some really shady people, probably stolen from some old white dudes car's glove box.

The re-industrial revolution is coming. At home manufacturing is going to be a thing soon. There will be people really into that kind of stuff operating underground gunsmithing businesses.

Gun regulations are going to be the best shot in the foot the government ever did.

Hello fully automatic ghost guns!



It really can't get any easier then it is now.  My old boss had 30+ automatic weapons basically all sourced illegally. 

Not sure how people building their own and selling them would be worse on any level. 

We live in a place were cold medicine purchases are more scrutinized then gun purchases...



What about felons. They can't just go buy one. All my friends rely on the black market.

What about not wanting to be registered to the gun. I would rather own one stolen with filed off numbers than walk into Cabela's


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
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like I said, guns are expensive.  I don't even have one for myself.



We can buy him a used Hi-Point. :canthelpbutlaugh:




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    #24763576 - 11/06/17 10:30 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

You can be pro gun or anti gun, but I think its safe to say that just about anyone in that church if they did have a gun would attempt taking him out.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
    #24763588 - 11/06/17 10:35 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Something something it doesn't work like that. There's crossfire and accuracy problems. So sit there and wait your turn for your hot lead and don't be a hero


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    #24763591 - 11/06/17 10:37 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I've played enough overwatch to be highly effective in such a situation thank you!


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24763599 - 11/06/17 10:39 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Ive actually been secretly in favor of strict gun control anyway. Jt will make the black market better. All the guns ive owned were black market, bought off of some really shady people, probably stolen from some old white dudes car's glove box.

The re-industrial revolution is coming. At home manufacturing is going to be a thing soon. There will be people really into that kind of stuff operating underground gunsmithing businesses.

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Hello fully automatic ghost guns!



Maybe we can trade our drug enforcement agency to a gun enforcement agency.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: twighead] * 1
    #24763600 - 11/06/17 10:40 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I trained on counter strike. Not cs:source. I'm talking the old shit back when it was on W@N before steam.


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I trained on counter strike. Not cs:source. I'm talking the old shit back when it was on W@N before steam.




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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: MushMaggot]
    #24763620 - 11/06/17 10:48 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Damn right give me a gaming mouse and keyboard and I would have probably headshot that guy before he got his first round off.


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I've played enough overwatch to be highly effective in such a situation thank you!




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    #24763629 - 11/06/17 10:53 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

zenyatta's ult would have saved the day tho

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    #24763715 - 11/06/17 11:52 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

lets jus hope this whole mass shooting trend blows over soon so we can go back to doing fun stuff :]

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    #24763808 - 11/06/17 12:38 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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He had body armor and just murdered 26 people (attempted to kill a lot more than that) you really think he was just gonna give up and stop? I have never once said it would prevent shootings. I think it's kind of idiotic to think it will, these people already know there's a good chance they'll die and they do it anyways, so more armed people isn't really going to prevent much of anything. The point is having the ability to stop them and prevent further killings when they start shooting.




Just stop with this ridiculous fantasy you people have. The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many. And I'm using you because people like you are the problem and it's about time we stop being politically correct about it.

If this stupid good guy theory didn't work in a church in Texas, where you are allow to carry, it's a failure. If you say it's a success because it could have been worse you have a perverted idea of success. Its a delusion.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24763817 - 11/06/17 12:40 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

:uhoh: Oh no, I'm being scolded by koods.


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    #24763831 - 11/06/17 12:45 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I haven't looked at the news since last night but wasn't he done with his rampage when he was shot? He was outside the church. And didn't he kill himself?


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    #24763847 - 11/06/17 12:53 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

What we really need to be talking about is all this white on white crime.

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I haven't looked at the news since last night but wasn't he done with his rampage when he was shot? He was outside the church. And didn't he kill himself?



He ran out of the church because he was shot. That's the last I've heard


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    #24763858 - 11/06/17 01:00 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

So someone in the church had a gun and they let him murder 26 people before he started to shoot back?


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    #24763865 - 11/06/17 01:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

He was a semi-good guy.

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Quote:

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He had body armor and just murdered 26 people (attempted to kill a lot more than that) you really think he was just gonna give up and stop? I have never once said it would prevent shootings. I think it's kind of idiotic to think it will, these people already know there's a good chance they'll die and they do it anyways, so more armed people isn't really going to prevent much of anything. The point is having the ability to stop them and prevent further killings when they start shooting.




Just stop with this ridiculous fantasy you people have. The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many. And I'm using you because people like you are the problem and it's about time we stop being politically correct about it.

If this stupid good guy theory didn't work in a church in Texas, where you are allow to carry, it's a failure. If you say it's a success because it could have been worse you have a perverted idea of success. Its a delusion.




"The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many"

How would having less guns avoided this shooting? :popcorn:

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    #24763882 - 11/06/17 01:11 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Seriously, what is the moral obligation of someone that has the means to stop a shooting? Is a good guy with a gun responsible for letting people die if he can't aim straight or is too scared to try?


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So someone in the church had a gun and they let him murder 26 people before he started to shoot back?



Don't know. Maybe it was in his car he managed to get out and get it. I don't know the entire story.


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Seriously, what is the moral obligation of someone that has the means to stop a shooting? Is a good guy with a gun responsible for letting people die if he can't aim straight or is too scared to try?



Yes. Just like you can't walk past a person in cardiac arrest if you have CPR training. Aim not so much but trying yes. Aim would be negligence of competency with a firearm.


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He had body armor and just murdered 26 people (attempted to kill a lot more than that) you really think he was just gonna give up and stop? I have never once said it would prevent shootings. I think it's kind of idiotic to think it will, these people already know there's a good chance they'll die and they do it anyways, so more armed people isn't really going to prevent much of anything. The point is having the ability to stop them and prevent further killings when they start shooting.




Just stop with this ridiculous fantasy you people have. The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many. And I'm using you because people like you are the problem and it's about time we stop being politically correct about it.

If this stupid good guy theory didn't work in a church in Texas, where you are allow to carry, it's a failure. If you say it's a success because it could have been worse you have a perverted idea of success. Its a delusion.




"The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many"

How would having less guns avoided this shooting? :popcorn:




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    #24763895 - 11/06/17 01:15 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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So someone in the church had a gun and they let him murder 26 people before he started to shoot back?



Maybe they weren't in a position to pull their weapon, maybe they had to retrieve it from somewhere first, we don't know. At the very least if they had let him escape after the shooting, police lives would be on the line. There's also the very real possibility they could've confronted him in public and he could've taken hostages or people could've got killed in the crossfire. The simple fact is someone like that has no regard for life and needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.

I don't know what image you have built up in your head of gun owners, but most of us are not stupid. I'm not going to go reaching for a gun when someone has one pointed right in my face. Not unless I believe he is about to shoot and it's my last opportunity to defend myself. I would try and wait until I had the advantage, like with his back turned to me.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
    #24763897 - 11/06/17 01:16 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The gun that ended it was a rifle so chances are the guy didn't bring it in the church with him and needed to retrieve it.

Now If everyone in the church besides the children had a mandatory sidearm the shooter would have stayed home.

Not to many people try mass shootings at places full of armed people.
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    #24763898 - 11/06/17 01:18 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

So what's the point?

We have so many opportunities in this country for this good guy theory to work and the best example we now have of a good guy firing back is a shooting where 26 people died. That's pathetic.


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    #24763900 - 11/06/17 01:19 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Why don't we try mandatory sidearms.

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    #24763902 - 11/06/17 01:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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The gun that ended it was a rifle so chances are the guy didn't bring it in the church with him and needed to retrieve it.

Now If everyone in the church besides the children had a mandatory sidearm the shooter would have stayed home.

Not to many people try mass shootings at places full of armed people.
I would say most mass shootings are specifically chosen because they're fish in a barrel circumstances.




Mandatory fire arm? So much for freedom. I assume you are being facetious. Mandate gun possession so the gun nuts right to own a weapon of mass destruction isnt threatened. Good lord, what is wrong with people. (Just in case you aren't being facetious)

We live in a country with more guns than people. If the good guy theory hasn't worked at this point, it never will.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24763903 - 11/06/17 01:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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He had body armor and just murdered 26 people (attempted to kill a lot more than that) you really think he was just gonna give up and stop? I have never once said it would prevent shootings. I think it's kind of idiotic to think it will, these people already know there's a good chance they'll die and they do it anyways, so more armed people isn't really going to prevent much of anything. The point is having the ability to stop them and prevent further killings when they start shooting.




Just stop with this ridiculous fantasy you people have. The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many. And I'm using you because people like you are the problem and it's about time we stop being politically correct about it.

If this stupid good guy theory didn't work in a church in Texas, where you are allow to carry, it's a failure. If you say it's a success because it could have been worse you have a perverted idea of success. Its a delusion.




"The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many"

How would having less guns avoided this shooting? :popcorn:




Really? Having exactly one fewer gun would have completely prevented this shooting.




Really, destroying my gun on Saturday would have prevented this shooting on Sunday? :flowstone:

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24763904 - 11/06/17 01:23 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Again I don't know what image you have built up in your head. You keep trying to apply your imagination to me and real life. That's not going to work. Your ideas of how the real world works are stupid. Having a gun doesn't make you a superhero. There's no point in even arguing/debating this shit with you because of the ridiculousness you have built up in your head. Like every person who is carrying a gun is supposed to come swooping in with the cape and everything, maybe even a little cape for the gun. Then they're somehow supposed to shoot and stop this guy from ever getting the shot off, after arriving on the scene having heard the first shot. Because to you, that's the only thing that would justify civilians carrying guns.


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    #24763910 - 11/06/17 01:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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The gun that ended it was a rifle so chances are the guy didn't bring it in the church with him and needed to retrieve it.

Now If everyone in the church besides the children had a mandatory sidearm the shooter would have stayed home.

Not to many people try mass shootings at places full of armed people.
I would say most mass shootings are specifically chosen because they're fish in a barrel circumstances.




Mandatory fire arm? So much for freedom. I assume so you are being facetious,

We live in a country with more guns than people. If the good guy theory hasn't worked at this point, it never will.




Who's to say gun ownership for self defense hasn't worked? It does work, just because there are instances were it doesn't work doesn't mean it's not an effective form of self defense.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
    #24763913 - 11/06/17 01:26 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I'm ridiculous? You're the one who belittled me for not seeing the vindication of the good guy theory because ONLY 26 people were killed.


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    #24763916 - 11/06/17 01:27 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

151,600 people die each day on average, and for some reason the measly 20-30 people who die in occasional attacks are worth talking about for weeks after as millions upon millions of others die in the background without anyone caring

like really people whats the point of caring extra special amounts for some random texan christians? they were prolly mostly a-holes anyway


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    #24763921 - 11/06/17 01:30 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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The gun that ended it was a rifle so chances are the guy didn't bring it in the church with him and needed to retrieve it.

Now If everyone in the church besides the children had a mandatory sidearm the shooter would have stayed home.

Not to many people try mass shootings at places full of armed people.
I would say most mass shootings are specifically chosen because they're fish in a barrel circumstances.




Mandatory fire arm? So much for freedom. I assume so you are being facetious,

We live in a country with more guns than people. If the good guy theory hasn't worked at this point, it never will.




Who's to say gun ownership for self defense hasn't worked? It does work, just because there are instances were it doesn't work doesn't mean it's not an effective form of self defense.




Of course it works. You ignore the other side of the equation where it doesn't work. Where owning a gun makes things worse. Where you end up getting in a gun fight and dying when all the attacker wanted was your wallet. When your kid shoots himself in the head. When you have an argument with your wife and you shoot her in a moment of rate.

Gun owners are more likely to be murdrred than non-gun owners. The sense of security from a gun is delusional.


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    #24763925 - 11/06/17 01:31 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I've played enough overwatch to be highly effective in such a situation thank you!



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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Shroomslip]
    #24763927 - 11/06/17 01:32 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

So if a cop is off duty but present at a mass shooting he would not be able to be a hero. Only guns that show up 5-15 minutes later are effective.

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    #24763930 - 11/06/17 01:34 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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151,600 people die each day on average, and for some reason the measly 20-30 people who die in occasional attacks are talking about for weeks after as millions upon millions of others die in the background without anyone caring

like really people whats the point of caring extra special amounts for some random texan christians? they were prolly mostly a-holes anyway




6,000 people die in the US every day, not 151,000. Most of those are people dying because they are old. They are unpreventable and not significant to this topic. Of that number, maybe 1.000 deaths are premature from disease, accident, suicide, etc. 100 die from gun shot every day, so that is 10% of preventable deaths are caused by a firearm.

firearms are the NUMBER ONE cause of death for people under the age of 24. You think that is insignificant? The deaths of dozens of young people are far more significant than the thousands of old people who die because their time is up. Everyone dies eventually. It's the preventable deaths that need to be addressed.

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    #24763934 - 11/06/17 01:35 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The cops ; they do not serve you and can not protect you.

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    #24763936 - 11/06/17 01:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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151,600 people die each day on average, and for some reason the measly 20-30 people who die in occasional attacks are talking about for weeks after as millions upon millions of others die in the background without anyone caring

like really people whats the point of caring extra special amounts for some random texan christians? they were prolly mostly a-holes anyway




6,000 people die in the US every day, not 151,000.

firearms are the NUMBER ONE cause of death for people under the age of 24. You think that is insignificant? The deaths of dozens of young people are far more significant than the thousands of old people who die because their time is up. Everyone dies eventually. It's the preventable deaths that need to be addressed.



im not talking about the US, i'm talking about the world

i dont care about people dying in the US more than i care about people dying in any other country

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    #24763939 - 11/06/17 01:39 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Today on Day 310 of 2017, there have been 307 mass shootings in the US

Will the number of mass shootings overcome the number of days before the year is out?


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    #24763945 - 11/06/17 01:43 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Considering the unique circumstances in the United States where we would not be able to get rid of the guns. What shall we do? I say in these circumstances everyone being armed is better.


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    #24763948 - 11/06/17 01:46 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

This was Saturday. :facepalm:

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NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A retired NYPD officer said he had his gun stolen when he tried to intervene during an attempted robbery on the Lower East Side this weekend.

Police were called around 5 a.m. Saturday to 130 Eldridge St. for a report of an attempted robbery. At the scene, they found the retired officer on the ground with cuts to his face and complaining about pain to his body, police said.

Police learned the retired officer was at the Eldridge Street address when he heard about a possible robbery outside. He identified himself as an officer and got into a fight with one of the suspects, police said.

The retired officer was punched in the face and body during the struggle, police said. The retired officer’s gun fell out of its holster, and the suspect picked it up and took it, police said.




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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24763952 - 11/06/17 01:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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He had body armor and just murdered 26 people (attempted to kill a lot more than that) you really think he was just gonna give up and stop? I have never once said it would prevent shootings. I think it's kind of idiotic to think it will, these people already know there's a good chance they'll die and they do it anyways, so more armed people isn't really going to prevent much of anything. The point is having the ability to stop them and prevent further killings when they start shooting.




Just stop with this ridiculous fantasy you people have. The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many. And I'm using you because people like you are the problem and it's about time we stop being politically correct about it.

If this stupid good guy theory didn't work in a church in Texas, where you are allow to carry, it's a failure. If you say it's a success because it could have been worse you have a perverted idea of success. Its a delusion.



It's a delusion to think that getting rid of guns would prevent things like this. Have you ever shot a gun koods? Did you grow up with guns? Why should I give up a right that I have if I'm not going to use that right to step on other people's rights? I have the right to drive a car, but I could also drive through a crowd of people. Should we ban cars because people can use them as deadly weapons? This is a serious question. Why does your logic apply to one tool but not others?


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    #24763960 - 11/06/17 01:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

he clearly fucked up.


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    #24763961 - 11/06/17 01:50 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Why wouldn't we be able to get rid of those guns. Congress could outlaw pretty much every gun but handguns, single shot rifles and shot guns. There is no right to own a semiautomatic weapon and they are banned in states like New York.


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    #24763967 - 11/06/17 01:52 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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So someone in the church had a gun and they let him murder 26 people before he started to shoot back?



You weren't there man, you don't know what it's like to duck behind shit while someone is rapidly firing a gun in a building. That would be very disorienting. Your ears would be ringing, then you have to grab your gun and make sure you can take a shot without being shot yourself.


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    #24763971 - 11/06/17 01:53 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

He didn't use his gun.. He used his face and body to try and stop a burglary and the gun just happened to fall out during the struggle.


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    #24763973 - 11/06/17 01:53 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Today on Day 310 of 2017, there have been 307 mass shootings in the US

Will the number of mass shootings overcome the number of days before the year is out?


Meanwhile in Japan, the number of people shot in Japan this year is 2. People. At all.




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    #24763977 - 11/06/17 01:55 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Really? Having exactly one fewer gun would have completely prevented this shooting.



No... He had two other guns.


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    #24763978 - 11/06/17 01:55 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

but a retired cop shouldnt identify himself as an officer. one thing i was taught in some of the firearms training classes i have had, is dont bring unneeded attention to you.

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    #24763989 - 11/06/17 01:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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So what's the point?

We have so many opportunities in this country for this good guy theory to work and the best example we now have of a good guy firing back is a shooting where 26 people died. That's pathetic.



I'm pretty sure I've seen a few stories where shootings were prevented by someone who had a firearm. But that doesn't get much publicity because a massacre didn't happen.


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    #24763993 - 11/06/17 02:00 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Good thing he's retired, they probably woudln't let him hear the end of that one.


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    #24763995 - 11/06/17 02:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Why wouldn't we be able to get rid of those guns. Congress could outlaw pretty much every gun but handguns, single shot rifles and shot guns. There is no right to own a semiautomatic weapon and they are banned in states like New York.



Everyone i know who's a felon has guns that are illegal banned from owning it.

My drugs are banned.

But somehow they're not disappearing.

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    #24763997 - 11/06/17 02:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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    #24763999 - 11/06/17 02:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Today on Day 310 of 2017, there have been 307 mass shootings in the US

Will the number of mass shootings overcome the number of days before the year is out?


Meanwhile in Japan, the number of people shot in Japan this year is 2. People. At all.




Does it really matter to you how people suicide themselves?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan





Come on qman, there is a difference between a mass shooting and a suicide.

It is your right to take your life and I'm all for physician assisted suicide as a basic human right, but to kill another is quite another matter.


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    #24764000 - 11/06/17 02:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The government could ban porn and take the internet down and make filming pornography illegal.

There's still enough to go around for days. And people would still produce it. And it would be worth more.

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    #24764021 - 11/06/17 02:11 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

they wont ban any of the sort.

too much money in these industries. also, if they did ban guns the military contracts would skyrocket because they wont have the other people to offset the income.

it may be nice for some to think that guns will go away.. its just not realistic. the US is too far gone for it to work.

and i can verify the above statement. look at this thread right here or ANY of the shooting threads. even in this micro climate, there is no middle ground when it comes to firearms.. everybody thinks they have the perfect answer, when it all reality, they dont.


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    #24764030 - 11/06/17 02:16 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Today on Day 310 of 2017, there have been 307 mass shootings in the US

Will the number of mass shootings overcome the number of days before the year is out?


Meanwhile in Japan, the number of people shot in Japan this year is 2. People. At all.




Does it really matter to you how people suicide themselves?  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan





Come on qman, there is a difference between a mass shooting and a suicide.

It is your right to take your life and I'm all for physician assisted suicide as a basic human right, but to kill another is quite another matter.




My point is that most of the gun deaths in the US are from suicide, if guns were more available in Japan, what do you think would be the case?  A very high rate of gun deaths.

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    #24764036 - 11/06/17 02:18 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

You can't really go door-to-door to confiscate firearms because first off people will cache them off their property so they are armed to the teeth again the moment the fed is round the corner and secondly, more importantly, I think thousands or tens of thousands of gun owhers would take a stand and you'd have a very severe nationwide civil unrest on your hands.


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    #24764041 - 11/06/17 02:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Gun deaths are not created equal. Suicides are sort of acceptable, homicides are not.


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    #24764044 - 11/06/17 02:21 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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He had body armor and just murdered 26 people (attempted to kill a lot more than that) you really think he was just gonna give up and stop? I have never once said it would prevent shootings. I think it's kind of idiotic to think it will, these people already know there's a good chance they'll die and they do it anyways, so more armed people isn't really going to prevent much of anything. The point is having the ability to stop them and prevent further killings when they start shooting.




Just stop with this ridiculous fantasy you people have. The problem isn't that you don't have enough guns, it that you have too many. And I'm using you because people like you are the problem and it's about time we stop being politically correct about it.

If this stupid good guy theory didn't work in a church in Texas, where you are allow to carry, it's a failure. If you say it's a success because it could have been worse you have a perverted idea of success. Its a delusion.



It's a delusion to think that getting rid of guns would prevent things like this. Have you ever shot a gun koods? Did you grow up with guns? Why should I give up a right that I have if I'm not going to use that right to step on other people's rights? I have the right to drive a car, but I could also drive through a crowd of people. Should we ban cars because people can use them as deadly weapons? This is a serious question. Why does your logic apply to one tool but not others?




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    #24764052 - 11/06/17 02:23 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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You can't really go door-to-door to confiscate firearms because first off people will cache them off their property so they are armed to the teeth again the moment the fed is round the corner and secondly, more importantly, I think thousands or tens of thousands of gun owhers would take a stand and you'd have a very severe nationwide civil unrest on your hands.




Gun owners always say they are law abiding. If the law says they must surrender their guns, they will abide by the law. If they don't, Throw them in jail like any other criminal.


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    #24764054 - 11/06/17 02:25 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

You'd have thousands of shootouts in urban enviroonments and people already hate the government.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
    #24764095 - 11/06/17 02:41 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

i'm more afraid of people that think they need guns for protection outside in public then people who don't

people + guns = more deaths
it doesn't matter if theyre GOOD or not they're outside with guns for christsakes even a by stander is a victem if they start firing
you know how many gun point robberies there are in states where there are no guns, next to none
in states with guns they're a part of daily life

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24764100 - 11/06/17 02:44 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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You can't really go door-to-door to confiscate firearms because first off people will cache them off their property so they are armed to the teeth again the moment the fed is round the corner and secondly, more importantly, I think thousands or tens of thousands of gun owhers would take a stand and you'd have a very severe nationwide civil unrest on your hands.




Gun owners always say they are law abiding. If the law says they must surrender their guns, they will abide by the law. If they don't, Throw them in jail like any other criminal.



No they don't. This website alone is full of gun owners who grow felonies.


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    #24764135 - 11/06/17 02:55 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Someone on the social media noticed a pattern:




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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
    #24764138 - 11/06/17 02:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Well duh ever see a stabbing with a pocket knife. Most use kitchen knives. Assault knives.

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    #24764140 - 11/06/17 02:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Today on Day 310 of 2017, there have been 307 mass shootings in the US

Will the number of mass shootings overcome the number of days before the year is out?


Meanwhile in Japan, the number of people shot in Japan this year is 2. People. At all.



Japan is also pretty much ethnically pure too. Are you saying that if we have a country of only white people, the shootings will stop?
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    #24764145 - 11/06/17 03:00 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Where am I supposed to put my gun when I'm at the club wearing nothing but a thong? I already don't have enough room in there.

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    #24764146 - 11/06/17 03:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Give it to the bouncer


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: Asante]
    #24764208 - 11/06/17 03:18 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

AR-15s are the citizens version of the M-16.

Its a shame such a deadly weapon somehow gets into the hands of deadly murderers.


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    #24764261 - 11/06/17 03:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

if you outlaw guns, then only outlaws are gonna have guns

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    #24764285 - 11/06/17 03:47 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

That logic can be applied to literally everything. By definition, outlaws break the law, but you guys somehow think that is some brilliant insight, :lol:

If you outlaw murder, only outlaws will murder.  so we shouldn't outlaw murder?


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    #24764289 - 11/06/17 03:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

No because you can't own murder.

You can ban actions
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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #24764302 - 11/06/17 03:52 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Ok. Let's ban buying, using and owning guns. All actions.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24764309 - 11/06/17 03:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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No because you can't own murder.

You can ban actions
You shouldn't ban physical things



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Ok. Let's ban buying, using and owning guns. All actions.

Stupid semantic problem solved.




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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24764314 - 11/06/17 03:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

if u wanna argue semantics or ur broken logic the overwhelming majority of gun owners arent murderers or even irresponsible gun owners dont let a bad apple spoil the bunch because ur scared of guns koods. if u outlaw guns u make alot of well meaning law abiding people criminals and go against the constitution. smae thing could be said with drugs or what have u.

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    #24764336 - 11/06/17 04:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok. Let's ban buying, using and owning guns. All actions.

Stupid semantic problem solved.



Buying a gun causes no victim.
Buying a prostitute does.
See the difference?

So you want to ban actions that are victimless. Sounds like tyranny


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24764342 - 11/06/17 04:07 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

guys ok buying prostitutes could be cool sometimes ur making generalizations

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Not cool for the prostitute other than the money part.


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    #24764346 - 11/06/17 04:07 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Guns blow

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    #24764347 - 11/06/17 04:07 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

koods is antisemantic

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    #24764348 - 11/06/17 04:08 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Not cool for the prostitute other than the money part.



pls some hoes love it

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    #24764349 - 11/06/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Buying a hitman
Vs
Buying a gun.

If they knew you were buying a gun to do murder they're not going to let you. Same thing with truck rentals.


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Not cool for the prostitute other than the money part.



pls some hoes love it



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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24764352 - 11/06/17 04:09 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

You're wrong on both counts.

Buying a gun can result in a victim if that gun is used to commit a crime or accidentally shoots your daughter in her head.

Buying a prostitute can victimize the prostitute.


There are plenty of guns that don't ever victimize anyone and plenty of prostitutes that are not victims.

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    #24764354 - 11/06/17 04:11 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

so gun ownership isnt evil?

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    #24764355 - 11/06/17 04:13 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Public policy is about doing things that improve societal outcomes. Guns have a negative effect in society. Owning a gun has worse outcomes for gun owners and society as a whole. Our laws should reflect that.


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    #24764357 - 11/06/17 04:14 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24764359 - 11/06/17 04:15 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

First, they'll take our guns then they'll take our soap-boxes... and I NEEDs my freezepeaches koods!


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    #24764362 - 11/06/17 04:16 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Unlike chiefmstrdiesel, who thinks gun ownership is evil, I think it is stupid.

There are some people who need guns. Most gun owners don't. They are pussies who have very poor risk assessment skills.


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    #24764363 - 11/06/17 04:18 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

guns jus throw stones buddy its not inherently good or evil

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    #24764378 - 11/06/17 04:27 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

So why did you question my lack of belief that owning guns is evil? You're the one throwing stones.


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    #24764387 - 11/06/17 04:31 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying because you talk like a 13 year old girl texting her BFF.

If guns merely throw stones, then let's ban guns and give everyone a bag of stones.


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    #24764390 - 11/06/17 04:32 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

i questioned it cuz i want to understand ur perspective that gun control is a necessary thing

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    #24764398 - 11/06/17 04:36 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

lets not splt hairs here and argue semantics of my exact wording pls tell us in a simple statement what ur exact point is on gin control and maybe i can break it down from there and tell u how i personally feel on the subject

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    #24764403 - 11/06/17 04:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

boil it down

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    #24764407 - 11/06/17 04:40 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Why regulate any dangerous item? Because it works:



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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24764412 - 11/06/17 04:41 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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    #24764424 - 11/06/17 04:44 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

please ur drawing correlations to lines that are totes diff
obv can buy a truck death machine and drive it drunk into a car load of kids. are trucks evil? do u wanna ban trucks cuz bunch kids died praying?

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omg cars got safer since the 20sbu guys everyonrnflip out

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    #24764440 - 11/06/17 04:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

In 1982 the city of Kennesaw Georgia passed a law making gun ownership mandatory for head of households.

Nelson, Georgia
Nucla, Colorado
Gun Barrel City, Texas

and Virgin, Utah all have similar laws.

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    #24764441 - 11/06/17 04:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

The murder rate in Chicago has doubled since ther gun control laws were overturned.


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    #24764448 - 11/06/17 04:51 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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In 1982 the city of Kennesaw Georgia passed a law making gun ownership mandatory for head of households.

Nelson, Georgia
Nucla, Colorado
Gun Barrel City, Texas

and Virgin, Utah all have similar laws.




This article discusses the statistical manipulation gun advocates use when discussing kennesaw.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/


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Have you ever owned a gun, Koods?


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In 1982 the city of Kennesaw Georgia passed a law making gun ownership mandatory for head of households.

Nelson, Georgia
Nucla, Colorado
Gun Barrel City, Texas

and Virgin, Utah all have similar laws.




This article discusses the statistical manipulation gun advocates use when discussing kennesaw.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/



Yeah, I've heard both sides of that story. That's why I didn't make any outlandish claims.

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    #24764465 - 11/06/17 05:00 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Nope. Never owned a gun. Don't know anyone who owns a gun. Never seen a handgun in my entire life except for those worn by cops. Most people around here don't have guns.

When I was 12 I went to summer camp that had a rifle range. I was pretty fucking good and earned a marksmanship award. That is the totality of my experience with guns.

I lived in southeast and northeast DC in the mid 90s when there were 500 murders a year in the city. Never saw a gun. Never needed a gun. Never wanted a gun. Never was a victim of any crime except when my car was stolen in a towing scam operated by DC police officers.


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    #24764477 - 11/06/17 05:03 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Then why would anyone listen to your advice about owning a gun?


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LOL

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    #24764479 - 11/06/17 05:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

http://us.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/11/06/cousin-of-man-who-shot-gunman-bts-nr.cnn

BANANA BANANA BANANA!

That guy is a hero. Don't give a fuck what anyone says. The perp was reloading when he intervened.

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    #24764499 - 11/06/17 05:16 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Was he really reloading? Reports are that nearly everyone in the church had already been shot

I'm not going to argue that he didn't prevent more killings. My argument is that stopping someone after he's already killed 26 and shot 20 more non fatally is not a "good guy theory" success story.


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    #24764507 - 11/06/17 05:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Dude! It was on CNN!

If you can't believe CNN I don't even know what more we have to talk about.

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    #24764509 - 11/06/17 05:20 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Barefoot... No armor... Unsure how much ammo is in the clip... 
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    #24764511 - 11/06/17 05:21 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Why would anyone listen to a biased gun owner?


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    #24764514 - 11/06/17 05:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

If I want relationship advice, I'm not asking a virgin.


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    #24764517 - 11/06/17 05:23 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Why not they have pure unadulterated thoughts lol


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    #24764518 - 11/06/17 05:23 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Dude! It was on CNN!

If you can't believe CNN I don't even know what more we have to talk about.




That wasn't a CNN report. That was an interview.

People need to learn the difference between multiple sourced journalism and single sourced second hand eyewitness reports.


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    #24764530 - 11/06/17 05:26 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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If I want relationship advice, I'm not asking a virgin.




if I want advice on analogies, I'm not asking you.

Just think about what you are suggesting. The only people who should be talking about gun control are gun owners. That's just absurd.


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    #24764531 - 11/06/17 05:26 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, that was a joke. CNN is a 24 hour editorial opinion anyway.

BANANA.

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    #24764541 - 11/06/17 05:31 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Can we ask people who have been shot what they think about gun control?


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    #24764548 - 11/06/17 05:33 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Tex Grebner has been shot and he's not pro gun control, lol.


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    #24764568 - 11/06/17 05:42 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

And most gun owners support gun control.


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    #24764572 - 11/06/17 05:43 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/eagles-of-death-metals-jesse-hughes-gun-control-failed-paris-20160216

Shot at




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    #24764576 - 11/06/17 05:45 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

I have a marksmanship award from the NRA. My opinion is the most important.

If you haven't been awarded for your pew pew pew skills you need to shut up.


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at the ripe age of 12?? your certificate has expired for all extensive purposes.


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    #24764598 - 11/06/17 05:56 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Intents and purposes*


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for all incense and tortoises..


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:cookiemonster:

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I made regular visits to the ER. In addition to the scrotal puncture, I took a flying leap into the solid wood frame of my bed when I tried to leap of my Lego city I had built on the floor.

I also accidentally detonated a time bomb I made from black power packed into rolled cardboard. That blasted the top layer of skin off my right arm.

I fell out of a tree and landed head first on a brick. That one wasn't very bad but it bled like a motherfucker.

I got my sweatshirt snagged in th front wheel of my bike as I was flying down a hill with my friend on the back of the bike. We flipped head first over the front wheel. I smeared my forearms along the pavement for 20 feet and he got flung into a bush.

I dislocated my finger playing basketball. It ended up bent sideways at a 90° angle and had to be reset under anesthesia.

I dislocated my shoulder playing hockey but it popped back in spontaneously.

I had a metal lab spatula impaled an inch under my kneecap. That I just pulled out and put a band aide on it.

I got hit in the forehead with a golf club when I stood too close to my friend as he teed off. That required a bunch of stitches.

I got hit in the face with a baseball bat when I was playing catcher when the batters grip slipped on his backswing.

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    #24764623 - 11/06/17 06:04 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Extensive porpoises



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:cookiemonster:

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I made regular visits to the ER. In addition to the scrotal puncture, I took a flying leap into the solid wood frame of my bed when I tried to leap of my Lego city I had built on the floor.

I also accidentally detonated a time bomb I made from black power packed into rolled cardboard. That blasted the top layer of skin off my right arm.

I fell out of a tree and landed head first on a brick. That one wasn't very bad but it bled like a motherfucker.

I got my sweatshirt snagged in th front wheel of my bike as I was flying down a hill with my friend on the back of the bike. We flipped head first over the front wheel. I smeared my forearms along the pavement for 20 feet and he got flung into a bush.

I dislocated my finger playing basketball. It ended up bent sideways at a 90° angle and had to be reset under anesthesia.

I dislocated my shoulder playing hockey but it popped back in spontaneously.

I had a metal lab spatula impaled an inch under my kneecap. That I just pulled out and put a band aide on it.

I got hit in the forehead with a golf club when I stood too close to my friend as he teed off. That required a bunch of stitches.

I got hit in the face with a baseball bat when I was playing catcher when the batters grip slipped on his backswing.

I know I'm forgetting something







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    #24764639 - 11/06/17 06:08 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

lol, give me a second. That is my all time favorite post on the shroomery.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24764750 - 11/06/17 06:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Fuckin Air Force really dropped the ball apparently.  Shame.

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    #24764868 - 11/06/17 07:37 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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I live in a country that had some horrible mass shootings.
The government of the time tightened gun control laws quite severely.

No mass shootings since.
A massive drop in gun crime.

Look outside of the states for once.
There are better ways.




your country's murder rate is barely lower than ours.  you guys got spooked, gave up your guns, and got no significant benefit.  your homicide rate was low already.  what is it at now? 1.4 per 100k or some such?  big deal.





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    #24764878 - 11/06/17 07:43 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

Not sure how 1.4 is barely lower than 4.8.

4.8 is 442% larger than 1.4

If the US had australias murder rate, there would be 12,500 fewer homicides in the US per year.

Ballsalsa really missed the mark on that one.



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    #24764908 - 11/06/17 07:59 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

It's not CNN but here's an interview with Stephen Willeford.


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    #24764953 - 11/06/17 08:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

To everyone saying they want more gun control, why don't we enforce the laws already on the books before passing more laws that won't get enforced.

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    #24764954 - 11/06/17 08:22 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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So what's the point?

We have so many opportunities in this country for this good guy theory to work and the best example we now have of a good guy firing back is a shooting where 26 people died. That's pathetic.





Most citizens don't carry guns. As far as the gun owners go, most keep it at home rather than carry it. Even here in Tennessee, where they in the recent past loosened gun laws and now allow anyone without a felony to carry a pistol inside their car legally (but you still need a license to carry it on you on foot or take it outside of your car in public), the majority of people don't carry guns. Almost all the shooting deaths here are criminals doing really shitty robberies. There was an insane guy who shot up a church a couple months ago here though, but some usher ran out and got his pistol from his car and held the guy at gunpoint until the cops showed up. Most people can't handle cars though, so I don't know if everyone needs a gun. Maybe everyone does, but they also just need safety training. That's what we really need though, is driver safety courses for adults. Shitty drivers are the most dangerous group in the country and take more lives than anyone, even crack dealers. Crack dealers are a cute threat compared to the sheer numbers that shitty drivers put up.

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    #24764996 - 11/06/17 08:46 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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What shootings are stopped without a gun?
Only police should be armed?

Id rather have daily mass shootings than the only armed people being law enforcement



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    #24765193 - 11/06/17 10:38 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuckin Air Force really dropped the ball apparently.  Shame.




That’s what I read.  Apparently there are 11 criteria that disqualify someone from buying a gun, and this guy had two of them (having served more than a year in prison, and having been convicted of a domestic violence charge).  Had the USAF properly filed his discharge info (it was a bad conduct discharge), he wouldn’t have been able to buy these guns. 

Feels to me like the people in charge of this kind of thing aren’t doing enough to keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn’t have them.

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    #24765201 - 11/06/17 10:46 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

My fear is if they dropped the ball with him, how many more out there already have their weapon?  This is a serious problem and I am as gung ho second amendment as they come.  Worrisome for sure.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24765205 - 11/06/17 10:48 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Why regulate any dangerous item? Because it works:





OK, so miles traveled increased relative to fatalities. That's great about the miles traveled I guess, but aren't per-capita numbers more pertinent to actual risk?

If gun murders go up this year and ammunition consumed goes up even more, is that a net win? Murders per million rounds fired will have gone down.

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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods] * 1
    #24765358 - 11/07/17 01:22 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Buying a gun can result in a victim if that gun is used to commit a crime



Same with buying a car or an axe you stubborn mofo.

It doesn't matter who needs a gun and who doesn't. That's irrelevant. What matters is that American citizens have the right to own a gun and can if they want to. I agree with you to a degree, nobody really needs a fully automatic weapon or a bazooka. What's wrong with having a gun just in case shit hits the fan? Should we ban apocalypse prepping too because people deem it unnecessary? People can do what they want, they just can't impede on the rights of others. It's pretty simple.


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: twighead]
    #24765891 - 11/07/17 08:58 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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Same :awesome:




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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: TempestDnB]
    #24765905 - 11/07/17 09:04 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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That's great about the miles traveled I guess, but aren't per-capita numbers more pertinent to actual risk?



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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: ballsalsa]
    #24765910 - 11/07/17 09:06 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

most of the people on this board dont know what the 56k dial up was all about.. or the annoyance of someone picking up the phone line. :lol:


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: koods]
    #24765930 - 11/07/17 09:11 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

speaking of per capita numbers, the U.S. homicide rate sits just under 4/100,000pop/year.  What do you think would be the best case scenario were we to ban firearms outright?(in terms of per capita homicides)


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Re: Texas (Sutherland Springs) Church Shooting [Re: rackem]
    #24765944 - 11/07/17 09:15 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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most of the people on this board dont know what the 56k dial up was all about.. or the annoyance of someone picking up the phone line. :lol:




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