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TempestDnB said:
I used to have a wolf hybrid. He was a violent, territorial motherfucker. Always tried to be the dominant one. They do not make good pets, that's for sure. I don't know what my dad was thinking. Probably watched dances with wolves too many times.

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TempestDnB said:
I used to have a wolf hybrid. He was a violent, territorial motherfucker. Always tried to be the dominant one. They do not make good pets, that's for sure. I don't know what my dad was thinking. Probably watched dances with wolves too many times.

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They make the most loyal dogs you could ever have, the key to the situation is training them right. Also teaching them how to treat guests that aren't part of the pact, guess thats part of training, they definitely aren't normal dogs.

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TempestDnB said:
I used to have a wolf hybrid. He was a violent, territorial motherfucker. Always tried to be the dominant one. They do not make good pets, that's for sure. I don't know what my dad was thinking. Probably watched dances with wolves too many times.

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They make the most loyal dogs you could ever have, the key to the situation is training them right. Also teaching them how to treat guests that aren't part of the pact, guess thats part of training, they definitely aren't normal dogs.

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No that’s not true at all. Perhaps that’s your experience but it would be an oddity none the less. Ever met a barn cat? Now, ever met a kitten from a barn cat? They are feral. Their kittens are feral. Domesticate, if you want, but most of those little bastards will always be bastards. It’s the same concept. Wolf dogs can be OK but there is a reason we domesticated wolves rather than saying, “Fuck it, good enough.”

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Im not talking wolfs, im talking wolf dogs, and yes ive met many feral cats/ barn cats/ kittens whatever the fuck you want to say. Animals must not like you.

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Eastern Coyotes are huge and have been spotted in pretty populated areas - I see them at my folks cabin in the mountains literally right infront of our porch, but only in the last year. They're pretty big, and really pretty..I only ever see solitary animals so I guess the ones I've seen are mostly hunting small prey. They look like this :



The area is within a huge nature preserve, the deer population is ridiculous and not shy -  hunting is huge in the surrounding area, and on this particular mountain you literally stumble across a group of does and fawns every 50-100 feet if you're driving around dusk, luckily they don't really dash and folks around here drive slowly because they know. We don't really have next door neighbors, but I know folks around here who literally set out troughs, and they graze in our meadow at dusk and it's beautiful.....BUT I've started getting kind of worried - overpopulation is never good and though I don't have the stones to shoot something, I recognize how important responsible hunting is now more than ever - something has to eventually fill that hole? Whether the coyotes start hunting more like wolves and taking down small deer, or whether they get hit with an inevitable disease. The black bears are the only other big predator but they're omnivorous and aren't taking down deer anytime soon.

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TempestDnB said:
I used to have a wolf hybrid. He was a violent, territorial motherfucker. Always tried to be the dominant one. They do not make good pets, that's for sure. I don't know what my dad was thinking. Probably watched dances with wolves too many times.

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They make the most loyal dogs you could ever have, the key to the situation is training them right. Also teaching them how to treat guests that aren't part of the pact, guess thats part of training, they definitely aren't normal dogs.

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No that’s not true at all. Perhaps that’s your experience but it would be an oddity none the less. Ever met a barn cat? Now, ever met a kitten from a barn cat? They are feral. Their kittens are feral. Domesticate, if you want, but most of those little bastards will always be bastards. It’s the same concept. Wolf dogs can be OK but there is a reason we domesticated wolves rather than saying, “Fuck it, good enough.”

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Im not talking wolfs, im talking wolf dogs, and yes ive met many feral cats/ barn cats/ kittens whatever the fuck you want to say. Animals must not like you.

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Kyshroomer19xx said:
When I was l18 I got locked up and I was in a class D facility in the middle of the sticks and the warden lived on the grounds and he had a 50% wolf hybrid not sure what it was mixed with but it was fucking huge and the warden got indicted for embezzling and they had to shoot the dog cause it was so aggressive. They kept it in the back yard but the dog supposedly busted through the back door when the FBI was searching the house

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When I was l18 I got locked up and I was in a class D facility in the middle of the sticks and the warden lived on the grounds and he had a 50% wolf hybrid not sure what it was mixed with but it was fucking huge and the warden got indicted for embezzling and they had to shoot the dog cause it was so aggressive. They kept it in the back yard but the dog supposedly busted through the back door when the FBI was searching the house

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1234go said:
You said it moved very wolf-dog like though, so it couldn't have been a coyote.

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I can't ignore this any longer. You did not "seen" a wolf dog, you *saw a wolf dog.

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Is it a myth that spetsnaz people training have to raise a dog and shoot it in the head at the end if their training?

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Eastern Coyotes are huge and have been spotted in pretty populated areas - I see them at my folks cabin in the mountains literally right infront of our porch, but only in the last year. They're pretty big, and really pretty..I only ever see solitary animals so I guess the ones I've seen are mostly hunting small prey. They look like this :



The area is within a huge nature preserve, the deer population is ridiculous and not shy -  hunting is huge in the surrounding area, and on this particular mountain you literally stumble across a group of does and fawns every 50-100 feet if you're driving around dusk, luckily they don't really dash and folks around here drive slowly because they know. We don't really have next door neighbors, but I know folks around here who literally set out troughs, and they graze in our meadow at dusk and it's beautiful.....BUT I've started getting kind of worried - overpopulation is never good and though I don't have the stones to shoot something, I recognize how important responsible hunting is now more than ever - something has to eventually fill that hole? Whether the coyotes start hunting more like wolves and taking down small deer, or whether they get hit with an inevitable disease. The black bears are the only other big predator but they're omnivorous and aren't taking down deer anytime soon.

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Cyotes are really bad here too in the recent years. Wolves are a little more elusive but now i gyess cyotes abd wolves are mating in our parts which could lead to a major problem in the future for a lot of wildlife and livestock.

There have been cases here where a cyote has taken small children or attack someone walking on a trail.

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1234go said:
You said it moved very wolf-dog like though, so it couldn't have been a coyote.

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Nah, the eastern coyote/coywolf is pretty much a mashup of the usual coyote, wolves, and dogs. The first time I saw one at my folk's my dad initially thought it was someone's "german shepherd"(as he put it, even though they look pretty different - it was a similar size). He called me over and was like 'wtf am I looking at??'


Apparently they've been spotted quite a bit in areas of Pittsburgh - wouldn't surprise me if some even found their way into Philly via Fairmount park. Definitely not rare at all here, but I've only seen two recently and heard a pack howling around the stable I used to ride at freaking out all the horses 15 years ago in a pretty developed surburban area that was literally just a grassy/groomed walking and jogging trail with tennis courts and exercise equipment that had woods that were more of a...treeline. 

We've had spottings of mountain lions in PA too, the fish and game commission will deny it night and day - same with the CO fish and game people denying multiple sightings of grey wolves, but I think that they do that for the good of the animals until the population is robust enough to survive the push to hunt it.
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/10/146690053/return-of-gray-wolves-renews-debate-over-hunting

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You said it moved very wolf-dog like though, so it couldn't have been a coyote.

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Nah, the eastern coyote/coywolf is pretty much a mashup of the usual coyote, wolves, and dogs. The first time I saw one at my folk's my dad initially thought it was someone's "german shepherd"(as he put it, even though they look pretty different - it was a similar size). He called me over and was like 'wtf am I looking at??'


Apparently they've been spotted quite a bit in areas of Pittsburgh - wouldn't surprise me if some even found their way into Philly via Fairmount park. Definitely not rare at all here, but I've only seen two recently and heard a pack howling around the stable I used to ride at freaking out all the horses 15 years ago in a pretty developed surburban area that was literally just a grassy/groomed walking and jogging trail with tennis courts and exercise equipment that had woods that were more of a...treeline. 

We've had spottings of mountain lions in PA too, the fish and game commission will deny it night and day - same with the CO fish and game people denying multiple sightings of grey wolves, but I think that they do that for the good of the animals until the population is robust enough to survive the push to hunt it.
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/10/146690053/return-of-gray-wolves-renews-debate-over-hunting

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The main reason they deny their existence is because they don't want them protected.  Who wants a robust population of super predators roaming the countrysides.

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CookieCrumbs said:
Not necessarily true. Once the bees are gone most of us don't eat. The modern lords and kings of the world will continue to live in relative luxury and afford feasts while we start dying off in droves from disease and famine.


Human race might survive long enough for earth to restabalize itself but it will only do so if it tries to sustain a very small population. Thousands at most. Possibly only a few hundred.

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