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taxonomy of the (giant) puffballs ?
    #2475894 - 03/26/04 06:59 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

we have a discussion about the giant puffball going on in the edibles forum and it seems that the taxonomy of this family is quite fucked up.
In mushrooms demystified (Arora) it says that the following Calvatia species do exist:
C. gigantea
C. booniana (western giant)
C. Sculpta (Sierran puffball)
C. bovista
C. cyathiformis

On the internet some sources state that that C. bovista and C. gigantea are the same species, somewhere it says that C. gigantea and Langermannia gigantea are a synonym. Is there any reliable and upto-date information on this topic ?


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Re: taxonomy of the (giant) puffballs ? [Re: ragadinks]
    #2476792 - 03/26/04 02:04 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The various professional mycologists choose which names for each species they will use. They also watch for a general consensus on the names among the other professionals.

As far as having different species turn out to be the same species, that mostly gets decided these days by the molecular biology folks, using DNA sequences. They also sometimes divide an existing species into multiple species the same way.

In other words, there is no single, absolutely "correct" reference that tells you what you want. And there probably won't be one within your lifetime. Don't worry about it. The names Arora uses are pretty good - I see professionals use his book all the time.

Since you're using Mushrooms Demystified, read the section beginning on page 8, and especially page 10. He goes into a bit more detail on this exact topic.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: taxonomy of the (giant) puffballs ? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2476816 - 03/26/04 02:10 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Unfortunately it is not me who is using this book. I just cited one who took part at that discussion. But it is good to know that the things are like they appeared to me.


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Re: taxonomy of the (giant) puffballs ? [Re: ToxicMan]
    #2480463 - 03/29/04 05:27 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

It was me using the book and i thoroughly recommend this book
Heres our Listmania booklist.
Id appreciate any comments and additions cos this will be linked off my site and i want to give good advice...

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/lis...7223914-0172939

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Re: taxonomy of the (giant) puffballs ? [Re: Mycena]
    #2482834 - 03/30/04 07:57 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks for the links - I have seen some new books :smile:

Btw, I have found  this link on the net where it says that Langermannia gigantea is an old name for Calvatia gigantea and should not be used anymore.


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