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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: hamloaf]
    #24756664 - 11/03/17 10:45 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

@TBC, Nitrogen isn't a driving nutrient in mycelium growth like it is with plants. Do you put any nitrogen containing
elements in your agar media? I don't know about you but my plates pin just fine without the addition of coffee. Peptone
is a standard agar recipe ingredient for some species but it is definitely optional and not required. How
do you know that your nitrogen/coffee is making a significant difference? do you have a way of testing this hypothesis
to bods standards? My point is simply that any statement such as the
one you made must stand up to the scrutiny by which ferather's statement was judged :shrug:

Gypsum costs me 5-8 bucks for a 40lb bag. I bought a bag a few years ago, use it mainly for grain prep and maybe
a handful in my sub if I remember, and I literally haven't bought a new bag since. I'm almost out, but literally
8 dollars is nothing for 2+ years worth of a product :shrug:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #24756684 - 11/03/17 10:54 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

If bod wasn't argumentative some people would probably get away with some false stuff.
What I put IS "subject to debate", and therefor a debate arose, not an issue.

We all have our place, as rude as he is, he has one too!

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: natedawgnow]
    #24756685 - 11/03/17 10:54 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

It’s not the start of the weekend in mush cult without some sort of disagreement between ham and bod

And TBC saying some random shiz


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
    #24756688 - 11/03/17 10:56 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Fair enuff, lol.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24756693 - 11/03/17 10:58 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I use gypsum all the time, so I can't really say much on grows w/o it.

That said, I use it in prep to flood the water with ions. Not much will leech out from simmering the grains and should be replaced with calcium and sulfur. I use it in bags to aerate the bottom and soak up any extra water if they sweat a lot after cooling.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24756696 - 11/03/17 10:59 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

bods not rude. yall some thin skinned people if you think hes rude.

whos been to basic training before? :hi: i like the heated debates. peoples colors come out.:blush:

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Snazz]
    #24756703 - 11/03/17 11:02 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I use gypsum because I also fret about PH balance and whatnot. WBS grainwater smells sweet/sour, so I have this conception in my head of the mycelium suffering because of acidity. What is cubensis mycelium's prefered PH range anyway?

I got a bag of it 6 months ago and it lasted that long. It also helps with WBS clumping, and helps with shaking. At this point though I dont care if I forget to add it to grains or agar or whatever.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: ManifoldPrime]
    #24756708 - 11/03/17 11:06 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

wbs shouldnt clump.. work on your grain prep. wbs should fall apart easily. even when colonized. work on that grain prep before you think gypsum is solving those problems mang.

i love my stinky birdseed water. my gypsum always settled in the bottom into a gummy mess anyway.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Snazz] * 1
    #24756713 - 11/03/17 11:08 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I tried calcium carbonate (CaCO3) with a grain prep, made a mess, I only use it to alter pH now.
The carbonate turns soluble and germinates yeast, which made everything worse.

I have never tried CaSO4 (gypsum), as I am using other sources.

Also gypsum is closer to pH 6.5-7, it doesn't neutralize.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #24756716 - 11/03/17 11:08 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Some people like to call this a place of learning or whatever. True learning can't happen without debate or differing
opinion. I think that bod is totally rude :lol: Before he was a mod he was a total prick to people. You took an
extended break from this place but I remember the bod of a few years ago. Doesn't mean I
myself am particularly offended.

I actually drew a lot of inspiration from bod back when I did my first wild reishi
clone and grow. Doesn't mean I'm not allowed to disagree with him and point out bullshit where I see it:shrug: I like
all you fuckers even if I disagree with you :lol: It's an internet forum, nothing that happens here carries over into real life except the mush!

On topic- I'm about to pull 18-20 shiitake blocks out of my fridge and pop em in my greenhouse :rockon: Pretty stoked
hopefully I can actually sell them this time :lol:


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #24756717 - 11/03/17 11:08 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I much prefer the smell of soaked/cooked wbs over oats... the smell that comes out of my PC after a oat cook is repulsive


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #24756729 - 11/03/17 11:13 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Yup. thats why i read all day and shit.. will get it down.. someone helped me in PM to locate the over wet issue.. and today i think i found my BRF cake issue.. so it will get better:)


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
    #24756734 - 11/03/17 11:16 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

@natedawgnow, he still made a fair point about holding onto nutrients whilst cooking grains.
I only really put that there as a pressure cook bonus (I dont care anyway, lol).

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@Germs, WBS has compositional variation, and more cellulose.
I like WBS for those reasons, plus WBS comes out firm.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Ferather]
    #24756749 - 11/03/17 11:23 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I keep getting rather shitty, almost mold like growth whenever i germinate dry spores.
usually just drop them directly on soft agar, or i squirt some sterile water onto the media after depositing spores.

but its never as good as 'hydrated' spores i guess. is this related??

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: Germs]
    #24756750 - 11/03/17 11:24 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I know im kind of rude. Its good intention rude most of the time.
Like the last job I left. I had a meeting with the owner amd head brewer and I told the owner the head brewer was a lazy fuck sinking the ship, while he was in the same room. Mean? Maybe but I'm not the one hiding no where to be found all day in bathrooms and coolers.

I worked with this British lady once. She would scold you to your face if you did something wrong. Best co worker ever. People hated her. I loved it. She made people cry lol.

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24756754 - 11/03/17 11:25 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Nah its cool, I got you. Human var. Rudebod!


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24756756 - 11/03/17 11:27 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

bodhisatta said:
She made people cry lol.




preacher tellin the truth and it hurts:shrug: some people cant take it. back to my spore Q?

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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24756765 - 11/03/17 11:32 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Who needs cable when ya got the mush cult forums? Lol

I work with a couple people like that, they're my favorite co workers. They always get their shit done and if someone is being a lazy fuck it's pure joy watching them get torn a new asshole. I never have any problems with them, but I get my shit done.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: mushboy]
    #24756766 - 11/03/17 11:32 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

When cloning where is the best area to take a cut from this is my first attempt at cloning

That's funny bod I worked with an old German lady at Frisch's when I was younger an she was mean as a rat tile snake but I never had an issue with her cause I just did what I was told. She would literally smack people on the hand with her hot spatula most of them would end up either running out crying or just never came back.


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Re: Cultivation General Discussion [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24756767 - 11/03/17 11:32 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

I don't find you mean at all.. just honest and to the point.. which i much prefer to having to wonder wtf people are thinking..


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