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Invisibleinbetween
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Is masterbation morally wrong?
    #247522 - 11/19/99 10:35 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Is masterbation telling the universe "I am not getting enough sex so I am going to take matters in to my own hands"? Does doing so somehow deprive nature (fate) from running its course?


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247523 - 11/19/99 10:49 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

No I don't think its morally wrong.I think its just a religious attitude that attaches guilt to any kind of sexuality or sexual desire.Sexual desire is normal its a natural thing ,to put my own twist on something George Carlin said"If nature had intended for us not to masterbate it would have made our arms shorter".

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247524 - 11/19/99 11:07 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I agree with Parker, it's only natural, hell it probably even "practice" you know?

Basically things that make you feel good (in any way -- drugs, masturbation, etc.) should definitely NOT be allowed, according to most organized religions. That's right, we should all be boring people who don't do anything, I think that would satisfy the people who condemn the good things in life. People do ridiculous things "in the name of religion" -- I believe in God, because really, *someone* had to create everything, but why the hell would people hurt or otherwise endanger themselves because "that's what God wants" ?! There's this one family that lives around here, where the females are *not* allowed to wear pants at all, only skirts or dresses. Now we have subzero temperatures every winter, and the daughter of this family had a paper route and was telling how one time at around 5:00 in the morning on one winter morning, she decided to wear long-johns under a skirt to try to keep warm. Although she was warm, she claimed that she felt *really* guilty for wearing them, so she ended up taking them off for the rest of the paper route (she walked) and she FELT BETTER. Do people HONESTLY believe that the only reason we are on earth is because God wants us to SUFFER ?!

This world is getting WAY too ridiculous and out of *hand*, so put whatever you want in that *hand* and have your way with it!!! :smile:

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247525 - 11/19/99 04:14 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

heinlein sez the thing about solo sex is that it's so lonely...


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InvisibleIshmael
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247526 - 11/19/99 05:27 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, solo sex is just that. Solo. This activity is made for two, but that doesn't mean that it is immoral to do it by yourself. I mean, with this logic, why isn't shooting freethrows in the backyard immoral? I mean, basketball is a sport for 2+ people. Is practicing your freethrow a sin? No. Personally I think that the dogma of Christianity is so self defeating, that it is hardly worth mentioning. Look at catholics. When they have sex it is a sin to wear a condom. But because they can't masturbate they're having sex ALL THE TIME and that leads to more little catholics running around, not masturbating and fornicating like rabbits (ad. infinum).

Here's my suggestion. Take some trip-time and go into your mind with the intention of figuring out where all of your social inhibitions originated. Then, decide systematically, which inhibitions you wish to keep and which you want to throw away. Tripping is twice as good as a pychoanalyst.
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247527 - 11/19/99 07:08 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Ishmael, "practicing your freethrow" is now my new expression.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247528 - 11/19/99 07:35 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

If masterbation is a sin then we will all meet in hell. Anyone who says they have never done it is lying. I believe that masterbation can be abused, just like drugs, but it also can do good (just like drugs). I am also a strong believer that organized religion wants us to do nothing that feels good or is fun except to drop money in the plate when it passes by.

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Offlineyounger now
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247529 - 11/19/99 08:12 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Sex, whether with a partner or alone, is one of the best feelings in the world. Therefore, Religion feels the need to control it. If we feel too good while we are alive, then the church can not use the idea of a better afterlife to make us behave as they say.Hey, before the universe was created, you know, before the big bang, does anyone ever wonder if God masterbated ? Perhaps the Big Bang was God's first procreative act, and since God must have been alone.....Just a thought.

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OfflineRainbow
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247530 - 11/19/99 09:10 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Humans aren't the only animals that masturbate, monkeys do, seal do, all sorts of animals do. If they can do it so can I (or you).


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247531 - 11/19/99 11:08 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

no it isn,t immoral :smile:

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247532 - 11/19/99 11:40 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

masterbation can be addicting and if you feel its wrong u shouldnt do it quiting is good for will power


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247533 - 11/20/99 12:55 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Breathing is also addicive, but I don't see anyone giving that up early.


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Invisibleinbetween
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247534 - 11/20/99 09:06 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I orginally intended to post something like, "forget the christians, what do you think?" but I didn't for some reason and almost every response had to do with the Christian "teaching" on the subject. "Morally wrong" is a loaded term in itself, so I got what I deserved. I was asking whether or not anyone's personal moral scheme found masterbation some how less than pure. I have always been curious if masterbation effects the energy system in the body. It regulates itself through wet dreams if too much gets backed up so its not like you will explode from too much stored semen or anything. I have also heard that if your don't masterbate for a long period of time, you start to give off a ferimone (sp) that makes you more sexually attractive to the opposite sex (maybe same sex too, I don't know, probably depends on preference). Anyway, I couldn't give a rat's ass if Christians say it is wrong. I'm not sure for myself, and don't think less of anyone that does it. Lord knows I've done the deed enough growing up.
So if anyone has any input, I'd like to hear it.


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InvisibleIshmael
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247535 - 11/20/99 11:28 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Well, according to Eastern religion, Chi can be manipulated through masterbation and is seen as a sort of unessicary form of energy expulsion. Many people whom do not masturbate compulsively say they feel more 'frisky', so I suppose if you put credence in the idea of Chi, this could be a problem. As for pheremones, I think the number was like 70 or 80% of human pheremones originate in the arm-pit area, and since we have elaborate systems (e.g deodorant and antiperspirant) to mask our odor, we also, by and large mask our pheremones. So unless you want to drop the deodorant...I suggest you forget it.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247536 - 11/21/99 01:20 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

masterbating is good its damn healthy and feel damn good

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247537 - 11/21/99 10:07 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

You make your own morals. Therefore, something is only MORALLY wrong, if you THINK it's morally wrong. There are no standards for morals.

Peace and love,
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InvisibleCaptain Jack
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247538 - 11/22/99 01:26 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Hey Little Shroom...care to masturbate me?

(everybody check the definition of masturbation...it's manual stimulation of genitals, be it yours or someone else's)

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247539 - 11/22/99 09:02 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

One time I was on a ranch and I saw a bull fucking a gopher hole!! I laughed my ass off. Especially when I thought about the poor little gopher who's home got flooded.

Just think about a surprised little gopher running around completely soaked with bull cum. HA HA HA!!!



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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247540 - 11/23/99 12:23 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Little Shroom, when is it immoral (even a "sin") to pour water out on the ground?

Answer: When you're out in the middle of a freaking desert, and there ain't no oasis on the horizion.

See, morality has a number of sides to it. And one of those sides encompasses survival. What are often percieved now as arbitrary rules, quite often had a survival basis. They were culturally mandated behavior, because following that type of behavior upped the chances for you, your family, even your entire community. Conversely, going against the grain might be anti-survival...if enough people didn't follow the code, your enire community might suffer. Even go down in flames. And then where were you? Cause throughout human history, just about the worst thing that could happen to anybody was to be without community. And one of the worst punishments possible was to be cast out from your family/group/clan/tribe. Then you had to try making a go of it all by your lonesome self. And that happened, the odds were seriously stacked against you back then.

It's a differnt situation today, true. The vital importance of community for individual survial has been markedly lessened in the last few centuries.

But who's to say that will always be the case? Conditions deteriorate enough, it might be that the tribe will come back to the fore. And if that's the case, survival in the future might very well mandate the acceptance of certain codes of morality.



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InvisibleIshmael
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247541 - 11/23/99 01:45 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

I think that you're confusing morality with stupidity. If you're in the middle of the desert and you dump out your water, you arn't immoral (presumably you think it is because it is tantamount to commiting suicide; the big one of all immoralities), you're a goddamn idiot. But there is a whole other topic already going devoted to morality, its Which came first? You'll find we already covered alot of this same material.


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Anonymous

Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247542 - 11/23/99 01:59 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

breathing is not addicting nether is eating what are you trying to imply moonmage


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247543 - 11/23/99 03:15 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

....but Psyco some say eating is addictive, have you ever heard of over eater anoynomous? I think that something like masterbating is addictive only in the way that anything from jogging to sky diving can be addictive.

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247544 - 11/23/99 03:35 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

more i think about it masterbation is the only guenuinly good thing around cant think of a thing wrong with it like everything else

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InvisibleCaptain Jack
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247545 - 11/23/99 03:49 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

I can think of a bad thing with it Burnt:

If you spank it too many times in a day, say 4 or 5 without lubrication, it really starts to hurt. You can mess your dick up doing that. Not that I've ever experienced this, just heard it from friends...

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247546 - 11/23/99 04:50 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

How can anything that is pleasurable without hurting someone else be wrong?


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247547 - 11/23/99 05:56 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

There are two books that I know of:
"Taoist Cultivation of the Male Sexual Energy", and "The Multi-Orgasmic Male"

Both deal with the Taoist philosophical ideas of not spilling one's 'seed', but instead storing it within the body to build up energy.
I won't go too deep into it, but it's worth a look into.

I never would have thought it could be possible to have an orgasm without actual ejaculation, but now I'm convinced! Haven't gotten good enough to use it reliably in bed with the wife yet [though it's fun practicing], but it has insanely increased the pleasure factors for 'practicing my freethrow'.

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247548 - 11/23/99 06:02 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Is there something wrong with masterbation?

Perhaps it's not necessarily a case of "morality" anyways............

I think it's possible to become obsessed with anything, masterbation, thoughts about sex, etc., all included.

So if ya become obsessed with it in a way that puts ya out of balance, then there's probably something wrong about it for you.

The Mushroom takes you beyond the body and into realms of knowledge that are not limited by the material world. Whether you make practical use of that knowledge
(not necessarily intellectual knowledge, obviously) is another thing.

When ya become toooooo identified with the material realm and your body identity, like from toooooo much masterbation, etc., you doooooooo get in the way of nature (at least your higher spiritual nature) from running it's natural evolutionary course to higher states of realization, beyond just this gross realm. That, would be against the power of the *Mushroom*.

Just make sure ya do some wholesome jacking off if ya do............ :smile:

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247549 - 11/23/99 06:40 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Oh yea,

"Orgasm without ejaculation"

Done it many, many times. Just requires a little self-control, as well as, muscle control......

Whether you masterbate or do the real thing, to orgasm without spilling can be a very, kind of like, uplifting experience. You don't become soooooooo immediately drained. And you're able to go for it again, multiple times, with greater enthusiasm and energy.

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247550 - 11/24/99 03:50 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Contrary to my mothers nagging, NO, masterbation is good. I knew Burnt would be all over this one.

I think I will try it riiiiight nowwwww

[This message has been edited by oDin (edited November 24, 1999).]



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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247551 - 11/24/99 11:44 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

I thought the mushroom and psychedelics in general made you identify more with your body and the material world in general by making you feel at one with it. So I would think psychedelics would as Huxley wrote in the Doors of Perception, lower your awareness of yourself and build up your ego.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247553 - 11/26/99 06:10 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Uh oh, it's Mahatma's time to take a kick at the can.

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How can anything that is pleasurable without hurting someone else be wrong?

Simple question. Tough answer. You see, to advocate this position, you must be one-hundred-percent, completely, totally sure that you can accurately judge whether your actions do not hurt someone else.

Does your masturbating hurt someone else? No? You sure?

You see, I chose to be (as Seinfeld would say) the "master of my domain" quite some time ago. One of the reasons I did this was because I perceived that it did hurt someone else.

The sexual act is, by nature, an activity designed for two people (and, sorry, but comparing it to basketball is just plain dumb-ass silly). By masturbating, an act designed for two is "turned inward" on itself, and made to be an act for one. This insulted my relationship with my girlfriend, and it insulted the natural beauty of the sexual act itself. Believe me, I plan to enjoy sex like crazy on our wedding night, and the fact that I have been "master of my domain" will make that gift to her all the more special.

Is masturbation morally wrong? I'll let you decide that -- the bigger question is whether masturbation is inherently selfish, and the answer is obvious.

quote:
Look at catholics. When they have sex it is a sin to wear a condom. But because they can't masturbate they're having sex ALL THE TIME and that leads to more little catholics running around, not masturbating and fornicating like rabbits (ad. infinum).

Wow, you make us Catholics sound almost cool. If we're going to talk about Catholics, let's talk about only those in union with Rome and disregard all the liberal 'progressive' ones for a moment.

Catholics, because they believe that artificial birth control is wrong, practice NFP (Natural Family Planning). This means that for roughly 11 days of the month we aren't getting any sex at all. Kind of a difference between that an "ALL THE TIME" (a line which would have sold me on becoming Catholic, if I weren't already).

And, by the way, let's give the human person a little more credit than suggesting that we must either mastubate, have sex, or die. I know many people who are completely celebate and do neither. It's simply a matter of channeling the energy differently... something I would have guessed you guys knew at least a little about.

Mahatma.



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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247554 - 11/27/99 01:37 AM (22 years, 9 months ago)

I state this in a humble manner. But if the "catholic Nation" would allow the masses to use birth control and to masterbate, yes masterbate perhaps this ball would't be on the verge of enviromental collaspe. Due to a overly suscessful species, HUMANS.

All the humans I know that practice that uptight religious non-sexual MASTERBATION IS EVIL bla bla bla are the most socially inept and cob up the ass people I know. sorry about the mis-spelling I am too pissed to correct it right now. Humans are sexual beings and to supress such a elemental urge is just plain wrong. Its mind contol with all the guilt included. BTW I WAS catholic until I opened my eyes. Just my personal take on life carry on.
Oh yea NFP is a very poor BC method, which is why there are too many catholics.

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247555 - 12/01/99 05:40 PM (22 years, 9 months ago)

Once again I hear that tired old line of blame when it comes to religion overpopulating the globe. Unfortunately, if you do your research you'll find it has no basis in fact whatsoever. Also, this planet is not overpopulated, not by a long shot. The problem is not the number of people (nor has it ever been), but rather the imbalance in resources, thanks to the North American countries in which most of us here reside.

I don't mind blame; just point that thing in the proper direction, mmmmkay?

Additionally, I am not of the opinion that masturbation is evil -- I merely refer to it rather as an inherently selfish bastardization of a generally pure act.

Perhaps another brave soul here might make a brief mental connection between the mindset that drives masturbation and the mindset that drives certain countries to allow 'less developed' nations to flounder in disease and malnutrition.

"The Masturbation of Global Resources"?

Sounds like a good thread.

Mahatma.



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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247556 - 12/01/99 07:23 AM (22 years, 9 months ago)

Humans are naturally sexual. Huge sex drives, etc. So it's natural to masturbate. And healthy, too - no sexual release can build up stress. The key is moderation, as is the key in every thing. If you're obsessed with it and do it 10 times a day, that's a problem. Addiction is most commonly talked about in terms of drugs, but you can be addicted to anything: drugs, sex (including masturbation), running, eating, puking up what you eat, etc.

Mahatma, I have to disagree with you. You say that masturbation is selfish. I argue that it's actually the opposite. Think of it this way: humans naturally want to get off like crazy. Sometimes it isn't convenient to fuck your wife/girlfriend. You could go pick up another chick and fuck her. In fact that would be even more fun than spanking it. But you don't. Because you don't want to cheat on your wife/girlfriend, because cheating is selfish (no insult to swinging couples here...if the couple does not recognize fucking other people as cheating, it's different). I wonder what kind of relationship it is if masturbation hurts it. I mean....damn. While sexual acts aren't necessary to survive (in one lifetime, not the species, I mean), the urges are as natural, and for some of us as frequent, as urges to eat. I strongly urge you to communicate with your girlfriend, and figure out why in the hell that put a strain on your relationship. Is she being so selfish that she wants 100% of you? Just some thoughts, please don't take this as an insult.

Also, I have a comment or two on the 'sex is beauty' part. Sex isn't the pure, beautiful thing. It's the intimacy of the situation that is the beautiful part. Sex isn't pure at all. That's the difference between sex with love and intimacy, and just plain sex. In the words of Jane's Addiction, "Sex is violent".

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247557 - 12/01/99 08:14 PM (22 years, 9 months ago)

First off, Mahatma...

A.) My original response was satire...it was meant to be silly because too often people take the issue of masturbation (which ranks on my personal list of important world issues just above the morality of juggling) too seriously. You assert that sexuality is a sport for two and only two, and is seemingly offensive in any other form. I pose that perhaps this is due to you being you. Put another way, you associate sex with something spritually significant and so to alter the act is to alter the signifigance. If I skip stones on water so that it makes two ripples and then attach personal signifigance to it, of course i'm going to be offended if I see someone out there enjoying themselves as much as I am while skipping stones so they only ripple once. Now to a subjective person, there would be little or no difference between two ripples and one. But to someone whom has attached spiritual signifigance to the ACT (and therefore turned it into ritual), the alteration of the act becomes profane. Now, Mahatma, I'm not asking you to say that there is no spirituality in the sex act, because obviously, to you there is. What I am asking you is to consider that all people see the world differently. If you felt that masturbating dishonored your girlfriend, then IT DID...TO YOU. You have to understand that clause. What is true for you is not true for everyone, that is why masturbation ISN'T immoral unless you want it to be. Seperating truth from dogma is often hard.

Now on your dissertation on population...The reason our population is as large as it is is because population was part of our culture's method of transmission "Grow more food, make more people, take over more land, grow more food..." It is our cultural idea that we must keep doing this at any cost, that has brought us to this point ecologically. Now the basis for this meme is governmental/religious (when our culture was first starting up, there was no seperation).

NOW as for your assertion that if the resources of the world were distributed evenly then our problems would go away...I want to know where you got your ideas, because they're as silly as my basketball analogy. The simple fact is that most of the resources left in the world reside in under developed countries, not in the united states. The united states only CONSUMES the most resources every year. And the reason that it can is because the resources exist in these third-world countries and they can buy them relatively cheap. Now the third world countries then attempt to build an economy on the foundation of their mineral wealth and jump right into the world economy. The problem is that the U.S. eats their resources and then leaves. With the U.S. money gone and the resources gone, the infostructure of the county then collapses and it is back at ground zero. Now I don't see how distributing resources would help. The fact is that our global culture is heirarchal, and that it is not only a heirarchy of individuals, but of countries as well. We have the dominant few very very advanced countries and then, the exploitable, many less developed countries. What is driving our cultural collapse is everyone, all countries, striving for the top of the pyramid. The cultural goal is and always has been to strive to be on top of the pyramid, which equates to all countries trying to live the way Americans live; to consume at the rate which Americans consume. The world cannot support this, look outside and see for yourself. Humans are causing a globalized extinction and degredation of the environment (85% of U.S. cities don't fall within the E.P.A's limits for clean air). The world can support many different creatures viaing for many different niches within the environment. What it cannot do is support ONE creature trying to make ITS WAY the ONLY WAY. Economists make very poor ecologists.

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247558 - 12/01/99 08:59 PM (22 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmmmm... I am conflicting in opinions. I am tending to lean more on Mahatma's "side." I do definitely agree that the reason this world is so fucked up is partly due to a misdistribution of resources. Right now there is enough food on this planet to comfortably feed every single living person on this planet. We obviously haven't yet reached a carrying capacity or else there would be a DRMATIC reduction in the population. The problem is selfishness. So much food is thrown out every single day in restaurants throughout America. It seems such a terrible waste. But that is how it works. The underdeveloped countries on this planet are basically forced to sell out their resources, like it or not, as that is how the system has been set up, ever since the start of "civilization." There will always be the haves and the have-nots as long as people in this world continue to remain selfish. Sad but true...

But this is completely off-topic, or is it? I am inclined to believe that masturbation is perfectly fine for a person if that is what they choose for themselves. I myself do it quite often, but at the same time, I can see Mahatma's point. If you are making it a selfish act, which I do not believe is necessarily the case for all acts of masturbation, then you are only ultimately setting yourself back. If you truly love yourself, however, then I can't see any problem with it. I do get this nagging, just bad feeling sometimes, though, while masturbating, telling me that what I'm doing is wrong. I'm still not sure what that feeling is. Is it society telling me that masturbation is wrong, or is that a true inner voice? Hard to tell. I think I'm finally starting to realize, however, that physical gratification is overrated. I don't know, maybe its just me, but I can get much higher highs after working through a bunch of disgustingly hard math problems. Well, no, I can't say that its better than that, but I guess it'd have to be on the same level as. I don't know, I just say go with what you feel and it'll all work out in the end. It always does.



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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247559 - 12/01/99 09:44 PM (22 years, 9 months ago)

ISH: Start another thread concerning the use of the world's resources, and I'll be there. I don't want to get into it here, or I'll have someone barking up my ass about changing topics within a thread. :wink:

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I strongly urge you to communicate with your girlfriend, and figure out why in the hell that put a strain on your relationship. Is she being so selfish that she wants 100% of you? Just some thoughts, please don't take this as an insult.

No insult perceived.

I will say, though, that my girlfriend and I have been doing professional counseling for going on two years now, so we tend to communicate quite well without being urged to. My choice to exercise self-control in terms of my sexuality is based on communication, not the lack of it.

That you would assume that my bing "master of my domain" is a strain is probably the most compelling part of your post. I don't recall ever hinting at that, nor would that be at all accurate of our relationship.

As I said in a previous post, choosing not to masturbate is simply a case of redirecting energy. I am not under strain, nor anxiety, nor do I experience any sort of physical discomfort or deformity. I might also mention, by the way that I am (or at least I was) a very highly-sexed individual. I don't say that to be a braggart, only to show that I'm not the type of guy who isn't interested in sex to begin with. In my high school years, I...

Well, that's another thread.

When I was in rural Greece, one of the locals I befriended told me of his views on masturbation. His opinion was that, if not regularly expelled, semen would flood throughout your bloodstream and clot in your brain, making you very stupid. I'm starting to catch the scent of similar attitudes here.

Consider the following:

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Sometimes it isn't convenient to fuck your wife/girlfriend. You could go pick up another chick and fuck her. But you don't. Because you don't want to cheat on your wife/girlfriend.

This view assumes the old Man Must Have Sex, Masturbate Or Die attitude which I mentioned a few posts ago. The simple fact is, a human male can go through his whole life without masturbating... and not explode. None of the Monks I know who have made sexual self-control a lifestyle choice have exploded. You would have read about it in the Enquirer.

Why do I get the feeling I'm going to regret saying that?

Masturbation, like many other things, is a lifestyle choice. Let's not try to kid ourselves into thinking that it's some kind of male biological neccessity. You do not have to masturbate, you choose to.

If you must hold this view, I would respond by telling you that Nature created a safety valve called nocturnal emission. Keeping that fact in mind, masturbation could also be viewed by some as thwarting the natural processes of Nature.

Getting back to my girlfriend. My personal view of love has embedded in it a facet of honour. For me, to choose self-control honours my girlfriend and lets her know that I believe that she is the only other human person I will ever share that particular act with. In those terms, my self-control is merely building a gift to be presented on our wedding night. Simple as that.

(Question: If we consider sex with another person as infidelity, why do we not consider sex with oneself infidelity?)

Additionally (although I did not intend to take a biological direction in this thread) don't you guys know that it's been medically proven that habitual masturbation "trains" your body to ejaculate prematurely?

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247560 - 12/01/99 10:03 PM (22 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't mean a strain on you.

I meant a strain on the relationship....I meant that you should communicate as to why you masturbating "insulted [your] relationship with [your] girlfriend", in your words.

I agree with you that it is not necessary to masturbate. But that doesn't mean that it hurts anybody else. You deciding to not masturbate, that's fine. But I think you're going too far to say that it hurts relationships. Maybe, in fact, it wasn't hurting your girlfriend, it was hurting you, because you thought it was like cheating.

My last quote, about not cheating, you took somewhat out of context. That was part of a larger comment saying that masturbation was less selfish than cheating.

I wouldn't have believed you if you said that we (the board at large) could hold an intelligent conversation about masturbation. This is a cool thread.

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247561 - 12/04/99 12:36 AM (22 years, 9 months ago)

I love my girl friend to death, but whacking off is just so much better.

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247562 - 12/04/99 09:03 PM (22 years, 9 months ago)

you dumb fuckers

just try masterbating without ejaculating and get the FUCK on with it

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #247563 - 12/06/99 04:25 AM (22 years, 9 months ago)

There ain't nothing wrong with pulling your own chain...if it were wrong, then we would have been created with shorter arms...


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Anonymous]
    #982843 - 10/22/02 09:49 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

if I didn't jack it, i wouldn't ever get laid...


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: subtlepoint]
    #982857 - 10/22/02 09:53 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Back in the days it was. Now in sex ed class, they practically say its normal.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #983095 - 10/22/02 10:44 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I think the bad part about masterbating or having sex too much isn't that it's moraly wrong but that it keeps you from becoming enlightened. If your mind is always caught up in the constant desire for pleasure you will have a hard time freeing yourself from it. I guess it all depends on what your goal in life is. I'm always working on breaking myself from the constant sensual gratification trip, I think it's a major problem most of us have. If your thinking , man I just can't go without getting a nut, maybe you should take a look at how much self control you have. Who's in control you or the desire to get off?


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #983892 - 10/23/02 01:45 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

"Don't knock masterbation, it's sex with someone I love" - Woody Allen

...but seriously folks...

All the explanations I have heard as to why it's wrong have involved a major judgement, like "It is a selfish act because it is something you do in an effort to ONLY gratify yourself."

Then is EVERYTHING you do for yourself bad? I eat for myself and ONLY for myself, is that an evil act?

Because it is addictive? What isn't? People get addicted to things all the time, food, television, church, drugs, etc. Addictive is a word that is subjective to the person, it is not just philosophy but it is science and psychology. Everybody's body reacts differently to EVERY drug. Psychologically, people need and want different things, so they react to everything differently. Some addictive chemicals have common effects on everyone, like nicotine. However, most have widely different effects on people. Some people have a SEVER food addiction...that does not mean that you or me are in danger of becoming addicted if we eat, necessarily.

How about this, and I mean it...anyone who can think of a reason why masterbation is wrong I bet I can knock it down (at least in my mind) without much effort and a clear reason as to why that is consistant with my beliefs right now.

Who knows, maybe you will prove me wrong and then I shall stop sining on a daily basis. :wink: 


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Crankenstein]
    #983902 - 10/23/02 01:48 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

It's not wrong in any way. But don't come crying to daddy when you go blind.

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #984223 - 10/23/02 03:36 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

i think its more of what you are looking at and thinking about when you masturbate

theres some sick, disturbing shit that people look at to get off


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Lallafa]
    #984332 - 10/23/02 04:04 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

that is an awesome point! kinda makes you wonder how a horse could turn anyone on....



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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: chodamunky]
    #984607 - 10/23/02 05:07 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

my "friend" d/l ed a harddrive full of things of the sort


extremely perverse pornography? HAHAHA


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #984878 - 10/23/02 06:17 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

Then is EVERYTHING you do for yourself bad? I eat for myself and ONLY for myself, is that an evil act?





There's a difference between doing something good for yourself and getting your rocks off. I'm certainly not judging anyone by saying your bad if you do it, I just think it's detrimental to freeing your mind. "desire is a trap, desirelessness is liberation" - some Hindu fucker


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Shroomalicious]
    #985223 - 10/23/02 08:12 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

masterbating isn't wrong but porn is. the objectizing of people and sex is "wrong". when you look and think dirty thoughts about a certain type of person all the time, eventualy those thoughts come to your head in every-day tasks i.e. meeting a woman cashier and undressing her in you mind. you begin to percieve the world through the eyes of sex, and it becomes you main goal. some sexual thoughts are good and healthy, even the exploration of one's own sexual ability is good, but seeing all women as being "amatures" (you know what I mean) is not healthy.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: ehud]
    #985238 - 10/23/02 08:18 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

So... is there a certain number of women I am allowed to mentally undress per day before it is morally wrong?

Oh, and I'm gonna need graphs and charts. :wink: 


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #985247 - 10/23/02 08:20 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Well if you give off a pheremone by not masturbating then you'd do the same by not having sex with someone else. I don't think your body differentiates between sex with your hand and a pussy, otherwise you wouldn't be able to blow a load in your hand.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Ishmael]
    #985262 - 10/23/02 08:24 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

If you didnt masterbate for a while, Im talkin weeks, you would eventually have a wet dream if you are a guy. So is this immoral? That shit has gotta come out sometime, so you might as well make the best of it. I dont see a damn thing about drugs or jerkin off in the ten commandments. LOL!!!!!! "Thou shall not floggith thy fallice. Thou shall not trippith thy balls off." :grin: 


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #985263 - 10/23/02 08:24 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

If masturbating causes you to not give off a certain pherome (whateverthefuck you said) then so would partner sex. Your body doesn't differentiate between masturbating and partner sex. That's why you are able to blow a load in your hand. Your brain thinks you're having sex so it causes an orgasm.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Ishmael]
    #985415 - 10/23/02 09:08 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

morals are made up anyways ... so as long as you do it where its not bothering someone else. lube it up and jerk away.

oh and my answer is no by the way.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Sclorch]
    #985501 - 10/23/02 10:01 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

heres a graph i made haha


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: ehud]
    #985601 - 10/23/02 11:09 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

masterbating isn't wrong but porn is. the objectizing of people and sex is "wrong". when you look and think dirty thoughts about a certain type of person all the time, eventualy those thoughts come to your head in every-day tasks i.e. meeting a woman cashier and undressing her in you mind. you begin to percieve the world through the eyes of sex, and it becomes you main goal. some sexual thoughts are good and healthy, even the exploration of one's own sexual ability is good, but seeing all women as being "amatures" (you know what I mean) is not healthy.

Well, I would say to you that "objectizing" is a subjective term. Some people conside the statue of David as art, others say it is a naked man, it is porn. Who can make that judgement?

Also, about seeing porn all the time making you obsessed with sex (I am paraphrasing but I think you know what I mean, I hope :smile:) well how do you know that happens to everyone? It may happen to you, or to some of your friends or even to all of your friends...that doesn't mean it happens to everyone.

I am not saying porn is right, I am not saying it is wrong...I am simply saying each and every person should be able to make up their minds for themselves as to whether or not it is right or wrong.

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Freak]
    #986298 - 10/23/02 07:47 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Consensual sex is good, masturbation is good, porn is good...

It's all good, what's the problem? Why would any anal rententive fuck get his panties in a twist if someone else is yanking his own crank? If people voluntarily take their clothes off and make each other feel good and then sell photos of it, what's the problem? If some lonely homely looking fellow pleasures himself to the photos without hurting anyone, what's the problem?

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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: ehud]
    #986475 - 10/23/02 08:55 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

ROTFLMAO!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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    #986478 - 10/23/02 08:56 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah evolving!

But you have to agree that Ron Jeremy is a dirty mother fucker.
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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Sclorch]
    #986621 - 10/23/02 09:57 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Hahahahahahahhahahaha!!!!! Oh man, I just got home from work a little while ago, and it's my Metaphorical Friday night, (I work a fucked up shift), and this is the PERFECT reading to start off the weekend right! Ooooohhhh man.. that's fuggin hilarious!!!

For starters, I'd like to say kudos to graph boy..  much props for the effort involved...  I've posted some quotes I'd like to comment on, so here goes...

Look at catholics. When they have sex it is a sin to wear a condom. But because they can't masturbate they're having sex ALL THE TIME and that leads to more little catholics running around, not masturbating and fornicating like rabbits

I was forced to go to catholic school for the majority of my educating, and I disagreed with it from the start.  Any organization that has to apologize repeatedly for it's members wrong doings should NOT be classified as a church in my books...  check  this page for reinforcement....  And to add to that, maybe the Roman Catholic Founders made this rule as a way to ensure that their 'cult' would flourish, and that's why it did as well as it did? :laugh:  Just a thought....

ISH: Start another thread concerning the use of the world's resources, and I'll be there.

I recommend you check out my 'thesis' (as Sclorch put it) on that subject...  you can find that  here...

I love my girl friend to death, but whacking off is just so much better.

I recommend you sit her down and give her a good teaching..  You'd be suprised at what some girls are willing to do with a little direction :wink: :wink: :laugh:

It's not wrong in any way. But don't come crying to daddy when you go blind.

HAHAHAHHA! Oh man! I JUST heard that joke like two days ago (I think it was at work)......  HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

my friend d/l ed a harddrive full of things of the sort and monitored the attempted uploads
theres more trading of extremely perverse pornography then regular sex


I'd be interested to see some of these stats :smile:  I'm not suprised, but hey, it's like the sun - you know you shouldn't look but it's just so damn odd you kinda have to...  :laugh:


I think I'mma go 'practice my freethrow'  :cool:
 


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Sclorch]
    #986648 - 10/23/02 10:13 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

there is a right and wrong, and it comes from your intentions of the action

if it comes from wanting to help others, after basic human needs are filled, it is morally correct

forcing things on an unwilling or unwanting person isnt healthy


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: nubious]
    #986662 - 10/23/02 10:18 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

- you know you shouldn't look but it's just so damn odd you kinda have to...

theres a difference between looking without approving, and looking to derive pleasurable and satisfying stimulation


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Lallafa]
    #986700 - 10/23/02 10:31 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

theres a difference between looking without approving, and looking to derive pleasurable and satisfying stimulation

True enough :smile:


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #987703 - 10/24/02 05:09 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

this is a real trip report of a dude eating marijuana. you'll see in a minute how it relates to the topic.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_recipe4.shtml

we played with the TV more, and got out this cheesy porn video
we had bought a while back that basically sucked; on pot it was pretty
cool; though and got us real horny, so we talked about it for a minute
and decided that I'd go outside and wait while he jacked off, then
he'd go outside and wait while I did same. That was cool

LOL!!!


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #987715 - 10/24/02 05:13 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Masterbation is only morally wrong if you fantisize about something morally wrong while doing it, or if you do it to pornography of any kind.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? *DELETED* [Re: TeKHeAD009]
    #987745 - 10/24/02 05:25 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Post deleted by Evolving


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Evolving]
    #987864 - 10/24/02 06:25 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

How'd you guess? God talks directly to me all the time and he's told me many things. He even told me that I have a special seat reserverd in heaven. Since his left and right are already held for two of his other disciples I can have a seat next to either of them! I even get to choose... Isnt that coooool of God? God rocks.

I was answering the question according to what I believe jackass. Answer the question however you want.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Anonymous]
    #987981 - 10/24/02 07:10 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

so your saying masterbation is better than sex with your girlfriend?
im speechless


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: TeKHeAD009]
    #988024 - 10/24/02 07:23 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

You're right, I am a jacking off ass... ah, er I mean jackass. I should not have responded the way I did. I'm sorry, I was out of line.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: nubious]
    #988222 - 10/24/02 08:15 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

so when should we get to start putting pictures up in this thread? hehe they might be usefull in this particular topic:grin: 


Edited by ehud (10/24/02 08:27 AM)


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: ehud]
    #988232 - 10/24/02 08:19 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

THREE CHEERS FOR SEX!!!!  :grin:     
HIP HIP HORAY
HIP HIP HORAY
HIP HIP HORAY
 


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: ehud]
    #988249 - 10/24/02 08:24 AM (19 years, 11 months ago)

I like to look at mushrooms when I yank around :cool:


oh YEA thats the stuff oh baby even a close up whoohoo!


:smirk: 


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: inbetween]
    #988758 - 10/24/02 01:15 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

no, it's just lonely...
(attributed to lazarus long)


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: ehud]
    #989322 - 10/24/02 07:42 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Those pictures make me feel kinda' funny...
sorta' like when we had to climb the rope in gym class.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: Is masterbation morally wrong? [Re: Evolving]
    #989500 - 10/24/02 09:16 PM (19 years, 11 months ago)

Ah its cool :^)
My apologies for calling you a jackass, I could have replied without that.


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