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Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder
    #2472866 - 03/25/04 01:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I thought i should bring this up, because i find it rather odd. I was diagnosed with essential tremor a few years back. basically i have random muscle spazams and ocasionally my muscles clench up and dont un-clench for a while.

I asked my doctor if what had happened could be because of my use of mdma, thc (i smoked everyday for over a year), or lsd. he replied that none of those would effect this condition.

so last night after having stopped smoking weed for about 3 days i decided to take 1 hit off of a hitter of some mid grade weed. immediately i had 3 spazams, and my hand clenched up and wouldnt let go. there is definately a connection between the weed and the tremors, but weed isnt the only thinkg that doew this to me.

LSD, and Mushrooms also cause my body to tremor and shake. whenever i trip this happens and im wondering why, and for that matter what the hell is going on with my body.

this all started after the first time i took lsd, and had un-controllable spazams in my legs for the last hour or 2 of my trip. and since then it happens while im un-altered and altered alike.

does this happen to anyone else? has anyone else ever heard of this happening? it doesnt bother me that much normally, its just kind of annoying, i just wich i knew how and why this is happening.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2473017 - 03/25/04 03:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

When i used to smoke weed, i would always twitch. At first i could control it, but whenever i got really stonned off
my ass it became really hard to control and i would just sit there and twitch uncontrolably. I hav'nt had any twitching
problems with LSD though, only with weed and it doesn't really bother me either, it felt kinda good.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2473075 - 03/25/04 03:43 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I usually get intense twitches when I'm stoned.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2473160 - 03/25/04 04:04 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I twitch when I'm pretty stoned as well.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2473254 - 03/25/04 04:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

as do I. especially the good weed, I used to get embarrased by it. "stop fuckin twitching!" Then I realized it doesn't matter, and I became less self-conscious about it. I think they since went away...

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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: Blastrid]
    #2473272 - 03/25/04 04:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, when I would smoke good pot, I always used to be pretty self-conscious of the really bad twitching I'd get, but now I don't even notice it anymore unless I think about it. It feels natural. I guess it's just part of what I do; just let it flow.

And thanks for the warm welcome, I'm glad to know people here are friendly. :smile: And no, I don't think I've heard of that band; maybe I'll check'em out.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder *DELETED* [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2473337 - 03/25/04 04:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: PseudoPsychoSix]
    #2473514 - 03/25/04 05:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I get twiches when i'm stoned too , this is weird , we should conduct some kind of study since mostly all of us will twitch atleast a little bit after we get high.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: Gorian]
    #2474072 - 03/25/04 08:28 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Allow me to clarify my tremors, sometimes a muscle will spazm once and clench up very painfully. other times muscles that i am using will clench up i put a lot of stress on them.

This is very interesting information. when i went to see a neurologist i was very honest with him about my drug use. He Clearly told me that marijuana could not be responsible for this nor could mdma or lsd. Perhaps i dont even have this disorder that he speaks of, it might just be the weed.

to be honest i havent quit for more than a week since that diagnosis, but i do notice that the tremors lessen in frequency when im not smoking.


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"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disord [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2474346 - 03/25/04 09:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I had similar tremors from a high dose of dxm (spazzy legs for an hour) and notice now that various muscles will twitch involuntarily. Never anything painful, just a twitch and a strange sensation. Marijauna amplifies this effect. I believe it is caused by excess energy in the nervous system, but thats just my contextual and superficial diagnosis (i.e. what I want to believe).


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disord [Re: moebiustrip]
    #2474654 - 03/25/04 10:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i get the twitches on weed.

the clenches ive had before but not often.

with the flys that i had a while back i was doing everything at once...the whole right side of my face was all clenthed up and twitching..that shit jsut fucking twiched and clenched me all up. BUT IT WAS DAMN GOOD!


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2474714 - 03/25/04 11:00 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes when I smoked by myself my whole body would uncontrollably shake. No matter what I tried I couldn't stop it. Oddly, this only happened when I actually thought about it. If I was busy caught up in something or with my friends this never happened, but I'd still twitch here and there...very strange indeed.


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    #2474753 - 03/25/04 11:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Oh yeah, my first time tripping started off with me falling out my chair and shaking. My friends were all freaking out and when I came to I was on the couch with them around me going "DUDE ARE YOU ALRIGHT???".

I was like "yeah..whats wrong?". Didn't even know what happened. This could have something to do with the seisures I had as a baby or something I don't know.. but I don't think it was an actual seisure that I had cause I havn't had one since I was a newborn. And I've never heard of shrooms causing seisures.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ]
    #2477726 - 03/26/04 10:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I have gotten the twitching with weed but never with LSD. Not that i noticed at least.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2479388 - 03/27/04 11:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

i've never had clenches, just twitching.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2479655 - 03/29/04 01:45 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I used to get lots of annoying muscle twitches when I was going through my E and speed phase, and I found that vitamin B and magnesium are both good for repairing and soothing the nervous system, which is effected my most drugs.

The shakes when you are on drugs are hard to avoid, but when your straight its a different matter, hard to ignore specially when ur trying to sleep!  :smile:

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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2479925 - 03/29/04 03:24 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

oddly enough i ate some acid the other day and did not expierence the shakes. perhaps it has to do with my anxiety problem


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disord [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2480269 - 03/29/04 04:40 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Ive had some pretty crazy muscles clenches in my legs on lsd. One time on 4 hits it got so bad my legs hurt to much to walk after about 5 hours into it.

High dose of some good herb will give me some minor twitching, but im pretty sure most people get this.


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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2482734 - 03/30/04 05:15 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

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zippoz said:
oddly enough i ate some acid the other day and did not expierence the shakes. perhaps it has to do with my anxiety problem




I used to have to anxiety and used to smoke weed and used to get exactly what you described, my hands would shake a lot even when i was straight and when i got stoned it sometimes shaked really badly, i used to also get like body jolts where i would be still then all of a sudden like my whole body would just jolt hard and fast especially when i was stoned.

Since i've quit weed my anxiety has pretty much gone away (weed had a lot to do with causing it in the first place) and now i can actually enjoy life.



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Re: Essential tremor, marijuana, and psychadelics: my disorder [Re: ZippoZ]
    #2520666 - 04/03/04 04:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Your doctor doesnt know shit - essential tremor isnt muscle spasms and twitching, it is the constant tremor or trembling of hands, and legs, and even makes your teeth chatter. Mine was so bad that i couldnt sleep at night because my eyelids would shake and my head would never rest without wobbling on the pillow. It is a constant tremor so that your hands always shake.
People with gilberts syndrome (a liver disorder that causes transient jaundice and poor metabolism of toxins through the liver) and especially people with thyroid disorders exhibit these symptoms - i was diagnosed years ago with essential tremor, but it was eventually diagnosed as a thyroid disorder. Of all the drugs i have done, weed and mushrooms had the biggest impact on my tremors - this may be due to their effect on the metabolism of iodine in the thyroid.
essential tremor itself isnt an entity - it is a term used when no reason can be found for the cause of the tremor.
Finally there is no way your doctor could really know whether the use of any of these substances had any affect on the tremor - there are no studies that have even examined a correlation - he is just telling you that to make you happy.
Im surprised people seem to except often quite ridiculous and unfounded advice from their doctors...The science of medicine annually makes more people sicker than they were originally that it adequately treats...they have no clue...


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